man, they said he was to sidle, may take him to the hospital and put them all in there. i mean, if you really wanted to commit suicide, there's nothing to do about it, but it wasn't gonna make it easy. this all started off with a bad relationship and some tests thing die and stress in grad school. and now i am a totally dysfunctional, highly suicidal individual. and the only thing that happened between then and now is i've been exposed to a series of very strong psychiatric medications. right now, medicines are giving patients the same doctors for 5 minutes and they're given a pill. it's my belief that many of the medications the doctors are giving to patients today are more harmful than helpful to those patients. they want that pill that they hope will take care of their problem thoroughly and rapidly. and most of these medications will actually do that very well in the short term. in the short term, they really work. the problem is, in the long term,

they're mostly disastrous. i'm not sick, nothing wrong with me. this is just the damage to my nervous system, cause from a properly taken prescribed drug that a doctor told me was safe. there's nothing safe about this drug. this is crazy. it's very clear to me. after having started the science that the way we use, i catch it, drugs do vastly more harm than good. i remember my nice to school and i was like all the kids are going to be murdered. and then like that thought created adrenalin . so then when the german kids i was like, oh my god, am i going to be the one that does it? and then it's like, yeah, age you're going to kill these kids. and then i'm like, i'm like you're looking at my knees like i can't in the thoughts are so bad that like you're my teeth chatter like, oh my god, i'm capable of that. are you kidding me? never like the scariest part because i don't know is this my all like

did effects reduce to me to some ball to do this to me? did g it on a bill if i which one? which one did it? oh i, i was very successful academically. i got accepted into the naval academy annapolis,

maryland, after annapolis. i did a few years on destroyer based out of may port florida. and then when you see your training to be the guy directing this chip where to navigate where to go, it's great fun, but it's also extremely high stress. but i loved it. i was pre selected for satellite systems engineering, part of that was going to grad school. when i got the acceptance letter from him, he is one of those moments through just like this is not happening. you know must be a mistake. but then you know, stars have aligned and i was really happy fall semester went off without a hitch. i had started a romantic relationship earlier that summer. the early spring is when things started to fall apart. my romantic relationship kind of took a turn, you know, became toxic. you know, i was in distress. i was overwhelmed. we were taken upwards of 40 graduate level

courses a semester. and so i sought out care from the mental health clinic at mit. the campus clinic presented solution to my problems was a prescription for the bins that i had to pick out a van, which i never previously known about or taken and zoloft, they work as advertised. i mean it's, it's very immediate effect. it's very calming. have told me probably on our 3rd or 4th state that he was on medication for depression and a d, h d, i have a d c myself and take medication for that. i had issues with depression and thought out hope and medication in counseling. it's kind of fairly normal now and met the goal. my dreams engage in that period. work was great, loved it, back to my normal what i thought was my normal self, somewhere in the 8 month time range, a sort of emotional flatness, some sexual dysfunction, difficulty remembering what st. we lived on. that whole period is just

a blur of like ours is omby, has his big wedding plan. i remember talking to my mom prior to it as mom, i just, i feel nothing. i feel emotionally void of anything. and that's when i went to psychiatrist, you know, this is the stuff isn't for me, you know, i need to get off it. i think the drug is my problem. that that's really when i hit the fan me, my boys and very close to my parents. and i was a child, i love school, i like the base my friends a lot. i feel very comforted just being around other people. when i was 11 years old, i moved from nashville to milwaukee wisconscin. we moved a lot for my parents, various jobs which is very hard in terms of keeping like wife, long friends. i heard oftentimes just like sit in my room and listen,

the music and just like i so can mope, move her around. i started having liveing id about school and i was so anxious i got these stomach aches where i didn't want to eat. i wouldn't eat breakfast without a stomach ache. i wouldn't eat much lunch because i had a stomach ache. i notice how that you've gotten kind of then i just kind of blurted out, you know, or do you think you might be interact 6. he went got on the scale and she said, you know, i think i lost 20 pounds. and so i just totally freaked out and got an appointment same day. and then toward the end, the therapist asked me to come into the room. she said, i think what would really be best to kick start this treatment is for her to get on anti depressants. wait a 2nd. we came here for the talk therapy, right within the come here to kick started was indication as the whole point of going to a therapist. i thought rebecca was prescribing zoloft for the 1st medication. she said it didn't really make a difference. she didn't feel any better. she also didn't really feel any worse at

that time. so when we saw her doctor again, the doctor switched her to prozac. shortly after i had a business trip and i got a phone call from rebecca and she said, you know, i've been, i've been seeing this little girl. and i'm like, what do you mean you've been seeing or grew up? yeah. like fish, you know, she's not really there, but i can see her and i named her alice like i genuinely thought that there are people here in the room that weren't there, that people could also see. but, but they were very real for me. she came into our bedroom late at night and she was shaking. she said, you know, the hello, hello hello nation, touched me and asked me to come into the kitchen. so i could hurt myself. and they said, you know enough of this, she needs, she needs help me

. i was a waitress in new york city. pretty normal girl doing normal things. nothing exceptional, nothing, not exceptional. just normal. my mind was clear of happy. the only little issue i had was i couldn't sleep. i get out at 23 in the morning. so i knew that my sleep issues were related to working night time. so i went to my doctor, just my regular doctor. i see him maybe twice a year when i asked him for something for sleep. he gave me a referral. i took the referral and i called a bunch of psychiatry than this. one doctor in brooklyn said you were seeing patients come on and he gave me a prescription from her as a parent. he told me to take 2 in the day and 2 at night. i then said, why would i need to take a sleeping pill during the day?

i don't want to sleep during the day. and he said that is how it works. said ok. i didn't even know people could have sleep issues because i was sleeping normal all my life. so something i thought about. so but i had a feeling, it was my job. i just didn't think i could quit my job. i thought i could get help for that. how come i went to a psychiatrist and he prescribed me distraught. lorazepam, i took it for 6 years. and when you took lorazepam for 6 years, and 6 and a half years, unfortunately, that the problem that most pharmacists see will arrest the pam lorazepam. again, if they, if the doctor takes the time out to read the packages through the clearly not reading that i don't know, i can only tell you why hurry, the use of benzodiazepine has increase tremendously over the years since they've been around for such a long time. a lot of doctors have forgotten about the side effects and the possible dangers of the medications. none of them were met for long term use. but everybody know somebody who's been ticket best with as

a p for years. ah . i started thinking like okay, when did the start, how did this start? what led up to like me falling apart like i was the go to person in my unit always . if they needed the job done they needed done, right. they asked me, i was physically fit, knew my job, i got promoted to sergeant after work. i was like a lot of fun. i like to travel, go to the beach. spontaneous i was just like the happy person, like the happy go. lucky friends. like, hey, let's go shop and look, a little bakery lets you know, never had a 2nd thought about anything crazy. that's who i was before this. so when the war started, i think most of it was stressful situations every day, like being shot and convoys just driving around and dangerous areas of baghdad. your head was like, constantly like scanning for something dangerous. be a strong sergeant. i don't take no,

that's just the way i was. but like the 1st 2 months i was in baghdad like i'm really, really sick. had nosebleeds fainting dizziness. i lost like 40 pounds. so they met of x me out of iraq. then my conway got hit the day after i got met of x. and so i saw the kid come back in and he was one of my soldiers and i felt horrible. and like that was a day that i saw psychiatry with the arrow and i walk straight there because that's what you do. i don't know. and they put me on convent right. that's how this all started. they're trained while they're on active duty, very, very systematically that if you come back and you have problems, you need to go to the doctor a 100 years ago if they had this kind of a trauma would talk to their fellow soldiers talk to their parents, talk to their friends talk to their pastor, and instead they're going to their doctor and getting medicated. and i think the classroom was starting to make me worse, but they just kept telling me that's what p t s d is. you have p t s d now, and then i remember he looked at me. he said, we're going to start the proceedings for medical retirement. you are not able to be

around soldiers and no weapons. and i remember feeling like, how was i like super soldier and now i'm disabled at 25. are you kidding? ah, oh, look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except when the shorter conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. the point obviously is to straight truck rather than fear i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence. real, somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with

the war on drugs. started as a way to come back, a great problem. what's the warrant? it's part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and it got to be something that you could get elected. this time, the fight against drugs took a tragic, told us that andrew was competing short form. is way too dangerous for him to be doing. clearly they put him in harm's way. a rural college student does interest get shot in the head and found in a river like that something else had to be happening. there is a, a, a post traumatic stress. and it's a problem, so we would never argue with you that it's not a problem. it is a problem. the big problem for you. it's not

a mental illness. like i'm feeling waking up from a nightmare. like what just happened to my life. the last years of your life, you lost your career. there's just so many things that are losses in here. that's part of the situation that we're in right now as a culture, is it? if you run to the doctor and cry about this, they're going to say, oh, you have major depression, you're going to stick in the next pill. instead of saying, hey, you know what? suffering is the only normal response. there's a grief process. yeah. you have to go through this wow. normally endanger the definition is used in psychiatry and even more the way they're applied have become so wide. that far too large percentage of the population would be defined as having a mental disorder. now we have patients come in and if there's, you know, they're anxious or they can't sleep or they have kind of physical paints like, oh my gosh no, let's get rid of that. we have really vilified pain, and i'm talking emotional pain, physical pain, like it is now become the responsibility,

the doctor to eliminate all suffering at all costs. there is a cultural context and the context where that goes back to the rival vampire by optics and nightly 1940 and then the polio vaccine, they really do change life. bacterial infections are no longer a problem. and now we have this magic cure for polio. so now we believe in magic bullets pretty soon we're going to be having magic boats for everything. ah ah ah, ah ah, ah,

what you find in psychiatry, you trace it's history that is in the 1970 s american psychiatry was in competition with other therapist for talk therapy, counselors, social workers. what do they say to themselves? they say we need to present ourselves as doctors, as medical doctors. we need to put on a white coat. they adopt a disease model for categorizing psychiatric disorder. we're going to say these are diseases of the brain illnesses of the brain that are drugs, therefore treat the symptoms of those illnesses centers on this chemical imbalance theory of mental disorders. while the causes unknown, depression may be related to an imbalance of natural chemicals between nerve cells in the brain. prescriptions zoloft works to correct this imbalance. when you know more about what's wrong, you can help make it right. it hasn't been possible to demonstrate that 1st you have a chemical imbalance, and then because of that, you become depressed or psychotic. but what we have shown is that the drugs create

a chemical imbalance. nobody has a clue. what happens when you push this system somewhere? you have all sorts of reactions elsewhere. it's very now you've thought that a psychiatric disorder is based on $11.00 single thing, chemically that went wrong. and then we have a quick fix for that. it's totally totally naive. 980 american psychiatric association adopted a disease model and began to tell that story to the american public, you know, who was so happy with that story. the pharmaceutical industry. they were thrilled with this story because now they could see markets expanding, depression, anxiety, all these things that we used to think of a sort of normal fluctuations in human experience could now be seen as illnesses. therefore, you could treat with drugs and they said, well, then eating disorder or b, e, d isn't just over eating, it's

a real medical condition. certain chemicals and the brain may play a role. b, e d is also the most common eating disorder us adults. ah, i never really thought that the medication was a bad thing. i was like, this is gonna make me feel better. awesome. okay. if this other ones can make me feel better, awesome. these 4 are going to feel better. great will to do it. i will try anything . there was never any notion that the medication was causing the symptoms. it was more like the the disease was developing, the only warning she sort of gave, but she was very dismissive about it was you might hear mr. greene, that in some instances people who are on if i depressed, might have suicidal thoughts. but this really is something you should be concerned about. she had kind of almost flippantly, like, oh,

you might want to lock up your knives. so we went out and bought didn't lock box and put anything dangerous in there. and that's really want to kind of get even more like, wow, this is serious. so i was hospitalized that 1st time when i was 13, over the course of a year, i think i was hospitalized $77.00 times, $78.00 times leaving the hosp. hi, chattered hospital. this is, you know, this was not our life. this is not our daughter. we knew our daughter, we knew, i mean, you know, few months before she had been sort of, you know, little impress knowing holly, but this was a far lead to that. and once in the hospital there, they added an anti psychotic because she was now experiencing psychotic behaviors. in addition, they had to prescribe another medication to take care of the known side effects of the anti psychotic. we didn't really know what else to do when we were in the system. we wanted to trust the experts. so, you know,

we went that route my mind filled with horrible sites like about me and about how horrible it was and how much i hated my solving. what is even the point of me being here anymore. many, many people are getting an anti depressant, and anti psychotic benzodiazepine and asleep medicine without any rhyme or reason. and instead of the beneficial effects of these different medicines, any up to something wonderful, very often they're harmful effects. add up to something terrible. when i got out of the army and went to the v a system, it was like whole nother ball game. it turned until i cocktails of and as a car into the president benzo, i would say to the clinician like, i don't have good feelings. i just feel as nom, or anxious or depressed. i don't ever feel happy or grateful or like loving. and

then we'll just add another medicine. maybe that one's not working. so then we'll switch to different one. so basically my medication history is just a succession of, oh, this doesn't work. let's go into the highest dose and see what happens. okay. didn't work. okay. come back down. okay, that didn't work. let's switch it and try another one. it's like a hamster wheel that i never got off of until now. what happens to someone like angie is that when they get on these medications and they begin to try to deteriorate, the attribution is to their mental condition as opposed to to the medication. and so when they go in and they say, well you gave me an antidepressant and i'm really depressed. then they say, well i see your depression is worsening. and so they up it or add a medication. next thing you're out there and uppers and downers, and i mean, you just see this pattern and every time they go in, it's their deteriorating mental condition. instead of somebody saying your drug may be your problem. me

or you know you should do i for coming. awesome to be here. i'm so nervous because i can't talk because at my own school the so i want to just run through my story quickly and then just talk because i'm sure you have like really cool questions. i was on a cocktail of 17 medications at once, and then basically from 2006 to 2016, it took me all that time till i get off of everything else. so every time you went in and you were prescribed some of these medications, what were you told about side effects? how much information are you given before you prescribe this medicaid in the office? you have 10 minutes with a psychiatry, that's it. so then they're like, how are you feeling today? and then you're like, well, i'm still really anxious and i didn't sleep last week. and, and then the, like,

well, i want you to take this little quiz, you know, do you feel jumpy in public, you know, do you spend time with friends like it was just one of those psychological assessments, right? so i'm just filling out a little test and they take the test and i see employee d s m, and then he's like, oh yeah, you have generalized anxiety disorder and i'm like, what is another label going to do for me now? like really another label. thank you. now i have addicts, p t s t, generalizing panic disorder with phobia, major depression. like for what, what does any of those labels do for me? nothing. i'm doing everything that you told me to do, and i'm not getting better. so the most hurtful part of all of this that i want you to listen to is that i did all the therapy, i saw social workers, therapist, or psychiatrist, psychologist not once. did somebody say it could be your meds not once in 13 years? that is what hurts me the most. and now i'm in social work school. i have all a my brain is coming back. i can write a mean a p,

a paper you're talking about, you know, a lot of the meds that are being prescribed for 46 years should only be taken for a few me getting an ever a place for medications or where do you ever hand for that decision process the beginning i was like in time ed like no way how know? because i'm lucky that i didn't kill myself or someone else. so like how can i like say, oh go ahead, take those minutes, you know? and like there is times when some people and then when i say some, i mean like very few. so i'm not anti med, i'm pro informed consent. so if you as a social order, want to talk to them about inform consent, that is like, well within our boundaries, we get it for surgery. why are we getting it for med? you sure that you're comfortable with the labels you've been given? if you could change that label to something, what would you i just think i was in like i was just scared. i was just scared a little girl. the 24. and like, didn't have to be so complicated. you know,

me. oh, i was 1st diagnosed with age when i was 15 i think i remember being a relief to get the diagnosis. oh my gosh. okay. that's. that's why everything so hard. it's not that i'm stupid. it's not that i'm lazy. i was pretty severely depressed. mean i couldn't go to school or just cried all the time and it's kind of a mess. i'm at that point then i was put on decks a dream. i felt a time better and was able to go to school on a regular basis. i felt some hope. again, i hear anecdotes that very anecdotes of the great effects of drugs,

and i would say that's about 2025 percent of anecdotes i hear. this is really been great for me. this is helped me through a very difficult time about 40 percent saying it may have helped some. it's hard to tell what exactly it was doing. i can't say to hurt me. 10 said help me. i seem kind of indifferent to what it may have done. and then i get the other 30 percent or 35 percent thing that hurt me. this damaged me. see, i think goats i've been hearing and i think that details a little bit what you find in the literature out there. the reason that i kind of changed the way i practice was the realization that i was actually harming my patients. it is very clear that there is a cohort of patients. for whom getting off of these drugs is quizzically painful. ah

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