ah, join me every thursday on the alex salmon show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politic sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. in the moon with a confidential informant. anything that you try to pick apart everything that he did for the a year and you just like who i don't know, it's tough. call the text message. all of his friends smoked. we all sort even through all of this. so he could have and like he wants meeting and but he

didn't understand that you were wearing weber's behavior from the video is very concerning. but before i talk about that, go back the day before me where officer webber went to android statics, dorm room, and that was the 1st threat that was made to andrew, the threatening you're in trouble. you're going to be charged with felonies. we have you on video and audio recordings selling marijuana to 2 different confidential informants. if you don't work with me, you're going to prison for 40 years. wherever said,

you can come to the law enforcement center and meet with me tomorrow. and you can work with me and i'll help make some of this. go away and make the punishment a lot less. but you can't tell anybody. you can't tell your parents. you can't tell your roommate. you can't tell your friends. you can't talk to an attorney. you just need to come and talk to me and this to work. nobody can know about this. the, potentially, the max is 40 years, a prison, 40 years. and obviously you're probably not going to get 40 years. but is a good possibility that you're going to get percent present time if you don't have this asserting his authority and giving andrew false information for the amount of marijuana that andrew sold to the 2 different confidential informants. there is

no way that he would have gone to prison for that amount. most likely with that at that level of the crime, you're looking at probation, maybe some community service. i can't imagine what andrew was thinking and his situation sitting with this guy who he thought was probably just going to be just like a slap on the wrist meeting like a don't let us catch your screw and up again. and then all of a sudden this guy's like, yeah, you got to work with us or you're going to face 40 years will cross your whole life . if we have to like me the it was one of the 1st times i've actually seen the footage of it happening and watched it happen. and able to see the body language and the reactions that take place between the individuals. and once you learn more of the background,

you can understand why someone who had never really been in trouble and was only 20 and trying to get your college would be scared to death. for you to do news bites for me that were you have to wear away or you have to go by marijuana from individuals and, you know, depending upon how you do and so forth. you know, a lot of this can go away, you know, are you, andrew was under intense pressure and he was terrified of the consequences. most of the time they're looking for more than pot or anybody, anything other than marijuana. and i think the contact intensifies, and then i think they give them deadlines more just to people to get the you know, the level. so i think whatever it was, a bowie. and i think that his actions caused the death of andrew static can when you check any call,

a text message works just fine. when you're sending andrew a boy, he's still a boy. i mean, he isn't legal to have a beer in our state and you're going to send him after these drug lords. to me that was the worst part about all in november of 2013 until may of 2014. there were 3 fives that andrew did under the direction of officer webber. ah, ah! after those 3 buys levers still wanted one more. now that would have been sometime in early 2014. ah

ah, ah ah, really, there was very little communication from january to april. i had to wait on him. there are some research projects that have been done that talk about the psychology that goes along with becoming a confidential informant and the pressures that are emotionally put on someone that once an individual is approached and brought into that situation, it will change them forever. in i don't know what was going on and, and his mind, i just know that what he was probably being asked to do was to dive deeper.

find someone else i don't down trade, but informing you want to get all the charges. well, you've got to give me somebody bigger than you. ah, there was a point around april 15th, that there was no more communication. and that's a real red flag in there were in a red flag name, nothing. that's what's making this so difficult for us is law enforcement red flag named nothing? why wasn't jason webber and contact with andrew static every day? why didn't he know where he was at all times? and if, if andrew was not responding to officer webber,

why didn't he bring him in, bring the charges because he wasn't doing what he'd been asked for this situation to go on from november of 2013 to may of 2014 is problematic about if you want me to try to get what you normally get. i want to know who jason wherever worked for, because somebody empowered him to lie to andrew. somebody empowered him to basically play off andrew's worst fears. and that was simply a nice point of each topic. what is sanker, and are they to blame for the death of andrew san rulers? weak cammie, static andrews, mom blamed some go for her son's death center. just to be clear, stands for the south, east multi county agency, narcotics task force. essentially. they could be perceived that a local drug and force agency down in richland county simply operates as their own

entity with their own board of directors, and their own oversight. investigators have permission to be on the campus, but they don't have to notify the school about who they may be investigating. the one thing that we've found really odd is that one of the sergeant at the campus police station was on the board of some cob. this or hewlett, at all the one drug task force board member n d s c. as police sergeant steve helga said sergeant, how can son was on the some come board? ah, they should not have had that conflict of interest. 3rd party should have been investigating what was going on if they knew who andrew was. then what he was doing, they shouldn't have been investigating that. talk to me. starting august 9th,

they're lying and why when he talked with him. then we had a reporter. he just went to the college, walked in and tried talking to him, and he got the door slammed in his face and told to turn his camera off. any review. in fact, it started. ah, there, shoddy investigated, work was terrible. but again, it goes back to the fact of why are they letting some officers onto their campus, not knowing what they're doing. it's all money driven. the reason that some kid exists is due to money from the federal government. they're dealing in small level crimes like marijuana buys,

because it helps their numbers, the more arrest that they can make. the more charges that they can show, the more money they're going to get to keep going. so it's almost like a commissioned sales job at that point is let me, my little brother was actually going to in dfcs at the same time as andrew, and lived in the same dorm. at the same time. there is no drug problem and we'll pretend it's fabricated. i would say that they're targeting people that they know are going to have a little bit a pot here, and they're the numbers that they use. mostly marijuana live it's misdemeanor level . it tells you that they've bastardize the war, drugs in federal funding for their own benefit. the purpose of federal funding that's not the purpose of these standards is to investigate is to dean this male big organizations dangerous organizations for killers. real killed the

andrew sad exodus room the the, it's almost exactly 10 years ago today when we 1st introduced to the world, the idea of that going. it was trading at a dollar, and this was back in 2011, and i said it would be the biggest story of the decade. and certainly that has proven to be the case. and now we've got al salvatore making big point legal tender . who want to make sure, you know, board is and my number is emerge. we don't have authority,

we go to the back seen the whole world leads to take action and be ready. people judge governors crisis. we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way, but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is paid for the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes it feel very proud that we need together so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk

when i would chose the wrong when all just don't the rules. yes. to see out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground in the me. this is the video tape deposition of steve helga some. take them as a plaintiff in the matter of john and tammy said at 1st, jason, whatever at all,

could you please bring here? i can only pray that the testimony are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i do say your name, steven elverson. me morning, officer webber. morning. we've never met prior to say, when you know who the family wanted to bring a lawsuit against anyone that was responsible for the disappearance and death of andrew. ah, where does the funding come for? so there are 2 different grants are they provided with the statistical information that you put together as to the number of cases you're in. so not at the time of the the, the grant application of the statistics coming and quarterly reports that go on, i burn j grabbed better website, and those are reported. we were able to bring a lawsuit against jason webber for his involvement with the law suit is

alleging negligence. so essentially this handling of andrew as a confidential informant. also, we have alleged fraud and defeat. in other words, they misled andrew in to getting involved in his role as confidential informant, which we believe lead to his death. ah, are there any other specific courses you can point me to? even are professors you've been trained on strictly confidential form on top? i have no me one point or if your department was a part of the 7 program i sat on the board. yes. so through the time that and the savage, what ms think you were still a board member of them? yes. they were privy to cases that were operating but

not who was doing a lot such as the sea ice. or there would be a lying across the sheet that would say in dfcs case and what the drug was that they were working on. but that was, if it was a number system we didn't know, and the people were neither the agent nor the so often tell essentially 2016, the state college, the science was involved in the task force, correct me when, if ever were you informed of control buys being performed on campus for which anderson was a target that day that he went missing or that night when ready, 1st made aware of that and he said it was acting as

a confidential informant point. right at that moment. prior to that on march 10, 2014 recently under attacks. it said, are you still alive? remember that bill? did you have any concerns about him? i didn't contact me or i haven't heard from him for a while. i didn't have any concerns. i just asked, you know, is just a figured speech april 17th 2014. you gave me a deadline of may 1 to complete another bio truck. why the, my 1st deadline? because at that point, he was on the question that he's gonna be graduating from school and he will be leaving the watson area and it would be difficult for him to complete what he needs explained, traveling back, he's going to be all those may 1 andrew, i listen,

i believe so. i know who steve, how the scenario was he involved in the andrew celtic handling. so he would have never participated on our deals. was he aware that the consent search was taking place? i honestly, i don't recall it out. sometimes we, you know, if we go to the ger different jurisdictions, sometimes we will notify the share of chief police or, you know, if it's on campus, steve, typically these individuals don't want to know what we're doing and south and sees a big one for that. he never really wanted to know what we're doing on campus. what is the extent of the relation ship between the some campus in place now? not just and i don't know if they're even working on the campus or not anymore.

bitch could be and i wouldn't have any idea at all if you had known that andrew said it or any other student at the school science was acting as a confidential informant or were the target of a by from a confidential informant? would you have done anything different towards that student try this or me? i i

want to tell me exactly each what they were doing with andrew up until that point, if they're, if they had him under so much pressure, letty actually did commit suicide. i want, i want to know, i want to know what they were doing with them. the truth. i'd like the truth. oh, campus police asked me if i had a gun missing and they thought that andrew might had one. and so then i checked my guns and yeah, it was just missing from from the garage all ran through my mind. can't see this didn't oh

for him to do it without leaving a note or something, letting us hang by us. i do not believe matter. second to the question that we may never have truthfully answered and the only person that might know what really happened is officer webber. me see where you can get lined up. and then the biggest thing was he being asked by something more than marijuana was he being asked to go to people that he didn't really know and never interacted with to buy whether it was pots or something else. i take it, he wasn't, i'm selling hot. i wouldn't think that that would lead to

a bullet, but whatever it was, i think that he went and met up with somebody bigger and better than anybody and he had expected or that he trapped to not do scared me. many ended up in there. i have a lot of people who talk to me about my involvement with the static family and then the people that support the static family don't really care whether he wish murdered or whether he took his own life. i know that's a bad thing to say, but they don't really care because what they care about is that he was put in a position where it's one of those 2 things. what happened in the end, the narrative that got us to the end should never have happened. and so while i believe that andrew was murdered, i don't think it should take away from the fact that if in fact he did commit suicide and that was not any thing that andrew did without somebody pushing them

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