so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy for an taishan, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. developments. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time time to sit down and talk me i b, b, c. was us left a wrong learn who continued to maintain a high presence in the country with the knowledge of us ever seen in the world situation. and it goes to others into the crucial thing. international troops under control which the afghan forces, the security situation remains critical. in the country

we are now south by any data on your mind. so yeah, like how about if i was on, if i already move our friends most of us again, some of them they have ordered and left guns to day enough. i've been found right now, making my way my mission didn't was on my mind. so how, how many of the person that you're sending out have used to be a child? so just in the when i got there, i can't, i can't tell about how many do you think i can't, i can't, i can't have many people. and we're going to see this and the visits,

and this the method in acting mounted by the office as a quotes. ah, ah, one low enough to hear. you know, a full you learn how to know tradition. if you don't know for it with a stick from the spirit with arrows less than tradition. so if you drink single me disoriented them. stapleton. so that is not the case. may be critical of people who

used to be fighting when they were very young that they now go to war. ready you think that's a problem? not that's not a problem. not a problem. because yes about steps. young people take, it's not from us. much prescription. even if they had started when they were told, or they're not 13, that's not a problem. not a problem. is that the job that the card? yeah. sorry, yeah. yeah. the the fan gods who walk with the room. they were peaceful. framing in jam ever got and resorted to use you because of the idea that people who was your tammy them is what

they do on the on english the down to shoot the gun. well, the the try to get companies read on my contract that we sometime on in or work for some time. ah

ah, the private military industry is a part of how the country is in my tours today. um, ah, the us government doesn't track the number of contractors it uses in places iraq or afghanistan. we know it's a log. we don't really know exactly how many i spent several years working with in the industry have a military background. and one of the differences between being a soldier i found and being a private military contractors that when we work for the us military or any military, you take a sacred oath that you're going to serve and fight for your country,

re have necessary die to protect a way of life, one that you believe and i am an american soldier. i'm a warrior and a member of a t i. i will never accept. i will never quit. i'll never leave a fallen comrade. it's the complete opposite in a private military world. you look at the budget 1st, the loyalty of these companies and these businessmen change depending on market forces. we operate in the world, challenging, complex, emerging market. the middle east is absolutely the core for our business today. we care empower, we perform the right thing. this industry is not just what you see is what you get when you see a company you don't know exactly who's working for them. they hire and they

sometimes create what we call subs subcontractors. me o me ah ah, there's been commanders and staff who just simply said, we don't know who the subs of the subs the subs are. so you have all the layers of a contract ah ah, the level quality control starts to fade quickly. the deeper you go from the top to the bottom, ah,

the united states army and the military in general is so reliance on the private sector. i would call the dependency. but we don't know who's the on the ground presence of these companies overseas. we just don't know me o me time to to the training can come together with it to 2 white men from the security company. oh, we're driving out in a small truck and what's was to come through this far as the landscape,

not so far away from from the airport. when we enter the camp and get out of the car, the 1st thing we see is that you can an instructor who is in charge of the training of the making that could line up in order to receive these guys from the pads you cared to. company, the market for from iraq they were not from the dock. you should actually need to the fact that we're supposed to what are you not on tv now for those who basic i will rip on this is all if you put at the come right. if i took the from a young government, the erect equipment was considered a quite good deal in the sense that they could actually take local troublemaker

something the way to wreck for a couple of years. and then turning them after 2 years with money from the overseas deployment. this could serve to stabilize security in the beginning of the threatening called the one real weapon presence. so that using these wooden sticks, i was referred to a couple of days into the training that the weapons arrived there while being lined up at these wooden tables within in the middle of the big camp.

the tension and excitement also attention mainly because now it's actually getting into something very real for many of the crews and the 1st time holding a weapon. since anything of the civil law, the doctor many were starting to to shake and some were starting to cry when, when the took up the weapons not being able to to have the end of the compliance bagging for example, i don't know. i said i'm open. no,

and i'm saying this when i'm thinking well now when i was supposed to move up on again, i said this is not my my the show up. i was funny. i saw my last where on the on the war husband was mainly by young alone looking for young men to perform military job. the chances are quite good that they

have also been child soldiers. the job got me. 8 i need to put it in the show you that you have the money to shoot up fish, or if not every day, remember me to my father you my word. i never did. i don't give me. oh, when i was young at a lot of things that i didn't me

a lot of day to her good for you monday days because her job have your command on the go the on hers just before you have to do it by then you don't do dutch, you to have the, to the join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport, business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me having alternate realities to experience or even live, like say world war does, my dear, you know, especially during and damage where you can go anywhere in the game world, go everywhere, choose the game that you want, any open roll game to that and you are now on a vacation in a place where you're like flying helicopters or you're, you're on beaches, you're,

you're in a city drive, you know, what are the car you want? you name it these. these are getaways. when we think of war and the warrior who fights it, we have this image and our mind man in uniform. um and uniform means they're fighting as part of the military service nation, the cause that they fight for their force, political patriotism. and yet when you look at the wars of the 21st century, they don't match those assumptions anymore. now we have out source to lot of our warfare to private military companies in the background of the changing nature of war and who fights it. that dates back to the very start of the private military industry itself.

until the early ninety's, the for the security industry is a dock murky industry. ah, all right, let me just to bring down governments for the cash. mm. it up comes 1st proper, private military company. it was exactly that. it was a private company that could field a full army. they had incredibly highly trained and had moved into private depression with cobra videos. literally saying is your, that your

executive outcomes is a legend in this business. they formed in south africa as apartheid. and in they had a background in some of the special police forces during apartheid. elite units had death squads, some of the most controversial units in terms of the human rights records. no one down they worked for oil companies, they work for governments, i can gola and certainly own. and this became controversial and the international committee stepped in and said, you can't hire executive outcomes. so another company called van line international out of london. so ended up taking on some of those contracts. fedloan is a company that provides military consultancy services for government or large

corporation. ready or at some time the idea was to get very posh english officers on top of these private military companies. and tim spicer was an officer in the military. british military got out and was asked to come help with a company called san line. exactly. comes row going to be unless we think they're extremely good, extremely professional and they're very good track record. there are no. ready skeletons in the cupboard think to the very good human rights record. and we would use the hires the same people to south africa but now they're legitimate because they are working under a contract. ready ready in spice's arrival gave an almost instant. ready handles of

respectability to what had previously been a muslim world. and i didn't personally have any difficulty with the most noted thing like the image that it comes up in most people's mind. if i tell him it comes by 1000 communion, for a newspaper dashing and charming, public school educated god. and that really wasn't matching the feature ministry before then. it changed the agenda, the global agenda. and what problem that company was i, tim spicer, was considered a respectable can of a mercenary organization. but 1st, business affairs that didn't go to, well, it was dog to my failure. me. for example, you get a phone call from shallow indian with a type passport who was under house arrest for financial scandal. and he contacted tim spicer and wanted him to restore the president of shirley.

was the president cheryl in was back in power. this guy would then get his contracts for diamonds and be able to make money but it didn't work out that way. ready companies line run by tim spicer, full but mommy, colonel instigated by customs and excise and he's accused of smuggling weapons illegally. when a private firm gets involved in foreign politics for the benefit of a criminal, you have to stop and ask, okay, this really happen or is this the fictitious james bond type star? but it was a true story. these things tended to happen. it seems like often times that he always somehow managed to get boys with him. another was going to like in talking to guinea satellite are arrested at the airport. spicer is facing firearms

charges linked to his bid to provide south african trade must re put down a local result they were thrown out of the country, but it was get some spices. we've understood that the media is a risk but can be turned. he had to deal with the bad publicity from this operation, which previously would have been completely undercover. but i suppose spices either genius or stupidity was to make it public and say officially, no, this was a contract. this is the contract i signed the recently retired bruce canada, who's that a band of messengers, he's safely back in this country. so has this put him off his new career as a hide guns? i am going to continue with this new new business. if it was found line international, i think we've got a number of lessons to learn from this particular episode. i think that we will continue to try and develop our business as long as we can do it in

a central way. me and line eventually collapsed under the weight, and that was that in the short term, you could say that was successful company in terms of delivering an enormous amount of money to his shareholders. conversely, it launched him spice on a career where he was able to find what would then become one significant problem that company in the world. the

when the 11 occurred everything change the contractor content and the armed forces went up. astronaut mclean and to shower american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, ideologically, republicans, my party wanted every single public function to be scrutinized, analyzed, evaluated, and if possible, privatized general shinseki, the head of the u. s. army at the time, testified to congress and said, if we're going to do a rock, it's going to take several 100000 us troops. and very quickly, the rest of the bush administration react negatively. and he's absurd, that's crazy. it's not going to require those amount of troops, and they actually essentially drummed him out of the military. it turned out he was right. we did deploy several 100000 forces. it was just through private military.

ah. ringback so in the early days of iraq, it wasn't gold rush. you had companies coming out of nowhere, including black water, was really like a cowboy. why a lot of last, when nobody at any control, anybody doing anything with firearms in this country could say there are private military company, was an atm, this company the, well, the basic idea of a contractor versus recruiting training and supporting military events is that there was a hiring process to getting married. so instead of a soldier who has an ex cost of a, you're now paying a contractor being a times $10.00. what has happened that america has basically married

a prostitute and has been active, taking them for a very long period of time off yesterday. for example, if you invade a country, there's going to be the feel i've known a few interact with this and we will get a raw or a very the ship from using private military contractors for understandable tasks to using private military contractors . wholesale in my view, took place without much debate and all everybody loves me. contractors offer some gray area benefits to politicians and everybody's concern.

like do we have a 1000 boots the grant? nobody ever asks how many contractors there? there's don't really count boots on the ground, which is the us military wanted to put 1000 books in the ground and there's 4000 contractors. it's a way of, you know, having 5000 byte without politically risk. mm. well to live there shooting at you you. yeah. yeah. yeah. and you said it didn't start to shoot part of it a shot and ricocheted his car. exactly

right. the private security company had the sensitivity of the civilians would often if not always get caught in the crossfire. ah, what governments have always done because they would do 2 things at once. you fight and you when hawks in mind, when she comes to the ground opening fire, they were very, very noticeable. they would play rock music that you know, this was not, there was no subtlety. this is not a, even the military were more discreet than the pub security company. and so they

were very, very public slap in the face for the average of rocky on a daily basis. this is a real problem for the military. so we fill the contractor presence in iraq in particular, but afghan stand to was becoming contrary to what the mission was for the armed forces. therefore their presence was more dangerous than it was help. ah, what we've got to do, i done to find the threats that we have. it's crazy plantation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, a very critical time. time to sit down and talk

to the september. the 11th 2001 day that reshape to the modern world. i remember watching the world trade center bird on a tv at the cia and i was standing there like this just looking at it. and a colleague of mine was standing next to me and he said, my god, do they have any idea what they've done? we're going to kill everybody now. everybody, the, the live tv images promote the us into declaring its war on terror. began to bomb african villages and holmes and get people hurt and, and killed the main goal of destroying terrorism. and then was it achieved?

yes. and no, okay, to essentially no longer exists good for us, but there are certainly other terrorist groups that are worse than he honestly, 309. and that's an approach the fun in depth investigation into the victims of america's brutal war on terror with a line drawn 5 u. s. put out from us down to san today we'll be hearing from families who lost loved ones in a recent us trying to strike in cobble with my brother 9 others were killed in this horrific it's. this is not a mistake of america. this is a crime.