me contract in iraq to save communication and coordination for all the private security companies on the graph. the make that they were a general in charge of all of the private contract at that point, the us military was the largest military presence in iraq. but just to get all of the private ministry contract of spice in respect to be in charge, the 2nd largest. unfortunately, me spicer is a fairly well known figure in british political and media circles. me. but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by

a logistics contracting sell in virginia. not in iraq by a group of you know, essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. no knowledge of the different players and referred to him as a british guy. me in the in the world of private security contracted when they heard that this company called aegis when this contract and that the people that were working for him were so the africans and not american there was, there was furious when you're applying for these contracts, your bid will and food you and your business is personal history. it doesn't

say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost cost a foreign ministers job be, prisoners in iraq was relatively stand free of one video which was posted on youtube from the contract. who is finite gung while playing rock music? the i know legal actions will take what do your weapons in this battle in iraq? for me it's, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. the very rapidly just became

a huge company. and it made to spice me healthy majority of americans. now i think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq, really in the iraq war, the president did before a banner, the mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over one of the u. s. as in iraq, in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home. in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money was starting to be pulled out of the rocky field operations and the industry had to go to a very,

a complicated resend me. the company had to realize that they weren't going to get that level of money. again. i said they had to offer a different package of deals that meant they would have to hire cheaper soldiers ah gaudy wouldn't know. you know, when i'm alone. i

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i are all worked undertaken by ages is carried out to the highest standards of professional competence and integrity. our track record is extensive and our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting the mission and at hand with outstanding performance. when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards and the natural question you ask us. so what do you pay for these folks at the time and i'm playing off memory cells, but i'm pretty good at that. it was about $1000.00 to $1200.00. and then, oh, i don't know, 6 months a year ago, it became a garden guards at about $800.00 a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. rushed to the bottom, that's what some call it y y o gone. it's now vs provings in columbia. and so we don't have a chance to get the award unless we use the gardens because there are $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on this most recent trip,

the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st i've heard of, well, well we've got a good strategy. we're using sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms? $250.00 a month. you know, i guess rhetorically. i don't expect an answer. can we go a little lower? can we find someone? it's like, we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be afraid, security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i'd say that it sounds facetious, but it's real. know you get what you pay for. ah, i i

the original goal was not to bring sold are soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. s. meeting system requires that you pick the lowest bidder, so that became the status quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners. iraqi people for where they came from and who they fought for. so some of that would be with the colombian marines, and it's a to be with range in the you again, as you know, came out of the, again, an army of the challenges that i was with when i spent a month of black water from pinochet's private guard in some of these countries and known for extremely brutal wars, whether it's columbia severally own. and there's not a lot of discussion about where did your lack of stuff as long as you are in the army and you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. if you can,

mass has specification and your cost is lower than you in the job. oh, the way the u. s. government funded is through the issue of treasury bond and they pay the interest on those bonds by collecting taxes. who owns most of those bonds? it's virtually all those bonds, the top 110th of one percent. so the government simply becomes a pastor mechanism for people to pay money from their pockets through something called taxes that are just a thickly that hides the transmission mechanism of your money through the government into those who own these bonds. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have crazy foundation. let it be an arms race on, often very dramatic development. only personally,

i'm going to i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk i have often said transparency for the powerful receipt for the bell. this bit about privacy. what people care about is power. antonia and sons is become a symbol of the battles of brevity. information is power. that's what's going on. a huge struggle with the government's corporations who want to keep information secret and others who democratic rights should be pushed forward. and people have a right to know what they're going to do. watch houses help shift the conversation around transparency and see what that battle has done. to him, i feel like julian might be coming to an end. we are in

a conflict situation with the largest and most powerful employer in such a situation. it's remarkable to survive the the, the, the me so you cut your cost, you make more profit. you get the soldier that you want, but you also majorly dilute. the professionalism and the effectiveness of those of the company is self interest. different than national interest. companies are profit maximizes what they do natural,

except here we're not creating toys. are producing things that result, the war. the news what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american, having the company and that's canister? who can tell somebody what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know international law such that it doesn't really have a category for arms civilians. so some governments including the british and the government, decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these prognostic

should behave kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community. a group of companies in n, joe's and states got together and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so companies would sign up to this code promising they would not violate it. they would not commit human rights atrocities or not can make war crimes etc. ringback so you can point to, wow, representatives of a couple of nations and oh, by the way, the private military themselves got around a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for, to conduct not work. the idea that company would voluntarily confess crimes. it's committed abroad just why would they do?

the reality is most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documents i in about 15 countries, i've been involved and programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries have pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life

. ah, now i was in the hours of my drug professional drug is weapon. ah, at one time when the kids came into account, a killer lot of pollution pharmacies. i was in couple of the looking now we had to exclusion. the 2nd place i think about swallowing when people are down on the street, the explosion is sticking all over the city. and anytime had gone short, had a bomb or shave

a explosion. i think about my going to what happens. yeah. before the roads, the fresh team for iraqi. there more stranger and enter it for us. yeah, sure. money member. so this is what happened in the people running in the gum fighting for what that or like i want to try to for

the on you know, it's not a good one because one i just wish i had to make up with my dish. ready and they seem like an actor for well as not young people unfairly and have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds of violence wherever they go, well we always remember wanting, i'm my stuff, my wife, when she, when i, when i have a wife one, i should continue watching the work. it's a weapon because i'm full on tunnel. which mean i can do

anything with the former child soldiers have been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. the, i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. i spend my

life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. and it pains me see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies . you know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exploring people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. me as a close connection between this industry and policymakers. me private military firm. this really poach, retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have

connections in my case to recognize enemy. my friend me ah . i say that it shows it's real know you get what you pay for me. ah, the church street will continue to act for government. and you're going to see

a private company between engaging in warfare me companies that are registering our country into companies who wrote on our money news companies listed allows me fundamentally new democracy and your government take selection that you don't agree with. you can vote that government town company or from your country is doing something. you disagree with

the the people carroll lot. one did soldier or did marine shows up in this country and we started ask yourself, why did they die? why do, what were they fighting for? nobody bothers down by the contractors. oh, the who cares? mean there is nobody going to die and come home with a body bag in denver over or whatever. ah, every american who, sirs joins an unbroken line of heroes. i'm on my there sacrifice. ah,

get them in the book. i'm not doing what i have coming to them. you're committing keep behind or who to the got it on the what the new to godaddy. ah, ah, no one places in the street, contractors kills ah, ah, still exercises is foreign policy and the use of force and violence in these 4 regions is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. oh

i you think that you get that in the rec and somebody from here and it's really your money. it's your tax money doing it. but making sure the politicians are in trouble . ah, military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah, part of ending a war responsibly his standing by those who for the oh um ah

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