was also under investigation as part of why to look into what the fault is activities were in syria during this period in the fall, it is continuing to cooperate with all the judicial investigations. i put the idea that the falls could now face these additional accusations. this investigation of crimes that can bring humanity would set a precedent. there is a one take just yet because why do investigation is still going on? if it goes to trial, it would be the 1st time that a french company has been troy didn't fall in this way. charlotte do been scheme was not as a recap of a busy newsday this when they don't go too far. there was another short documentary gets, it started in moments, find out what's premiering to bring the join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the

world, the politic sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me the me every turn around the traffic circle. they're probably trying to get away from the influx of contractors, what largely uncontrolled by us government was organized not in purpose. it just was too much going on and were sounds and there was no coordination really between the companies. ah, the problem was that we had all of the different private military companies running

around we out source to quickly. and they weren't coordinated both in contract terms, but also and on the ground operational terms. so what is your answer to a problem without sourcing? outsource more, we out sourced it, to a private military company to coordinate the seem to be ideal for us. company was a huge contract. it was half a $1000000.00 or just under that and was just assume that one of the large, big american companies, when, when it, when it didn't work out that way, i can tim spies that hit the headline is again, during the ons to africa affair involving the old company sunline, but general spies and now is developed a striving business in private security. and he recently won that multi 1000000 pound contract. well tim spices with me now. tim. good morning. what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lauren order?

i wouldn't advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection are sound mm. contract in iraq was to see communication and coordination for all the private security companies on the graph. the make that work a general in charge of all of the private contract at that point, the us military was the largest movie presence in iraq. but if you're, i just to get all of the private military contract as spice in respect to be in charge of the 2nd largest on for me, the spicer is a fairly well known figure. and british political and media circles me. but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq,

it was awarded by a logistics contracting sell in virginia. not in iraq by a group of you know, essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. no knowledge of the different players and referred to him as a british guy, me in the world of private security contracts. and when they heard that this company called aegis one this contract and that the people that were working for him were so the africans and not american was there was furious when you're applying for these

contracts. your bid will include you and your business is personal history. it doesn't say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost cost a foreign ministers job the beaches. prisons in iraq was relatively stand for free of one video which was posted on youtube from the contract out who is following the gun while playing rock music. i know legal actions will take what do your weapons in this battle in iraq?

for me it's, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. the very rapid he just became a huge company. and it made to spice me helping me. majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq, early in the iraq war. the presidents did before the end of the mission accomplished 3 and a half years later the debate us back over why the u. s. as in iraq, in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home. in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money was starting to be pulled out on the rocky field

operations, and the industry had to go to a very complicated recent me . the company had to realize that they weren't going to get that level of money. again, i said they had to offer different packaging deals. that meant they would have to hire cheapest soldiers. ah, the money when? no. no, no, no, no. she was

a guy. i was wondering. ready ready when i go from there, okay. after one moment, don't want to call me at least you must always use you. i think you can watch at anything. you're going. sounds good about it. if i don't see anything else i need to give you mine. also you finish on you know, your job

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[000:00:00;00] i all work undertaken by ages is carried out to the high standards of professional competence and our track record is expensive and our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting the mission and at hand with outstanding performance. when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time and i'm playing off memory cells, but i'm pretty good at that. it was about $1000.00 to $1200.00. and then, oh, i don't know, 6 months a year ago, it became a garden guards at about $800.00 a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. rushed to the bottom,

that's what some call it y y o gone. it's now vs provings in columbia. so we don't have a chance to get the award unless we use a guidance because there are $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on the most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st i'd heard of, well, well we've got a good strategy. we're using sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms but $250.00 a month? you know, i guess rhetorically. i don't expect an answer and you can go a little lower. can we find someone? it's like we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be afraid, security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i'd say that it sounds facetious, but it's real. know you get what you pay for. ah,

i i the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. s. bidding system re fires that you pick the lowest better. so the became the status quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners. iraqi people for where they came from and who they fought for so. so that would be with the colombian marines, and as a to be with range in the you, again, as you know, came out of the, again, an army of the challenges that i was with when i spent a month in blackwater or from pinochet's, private guard. and some of these countries are known for extremely brutal wars, whether it's columbus heavily on. and there's not a lot of discussion about where did your like so long as you are in the army and

you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. if you can match has specification and your cost is lower than you in the job. ah, ah, is your media a reflection of reality? the in the world transformed what will make you feel safer? type relation or community? ah, you're going the right way. where are you being somewhere? direct? what is truth? was his faith in the world corrupted. you need to defend.

ah, so join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah ah, this so you cut your cost, you may more profit. you get the soldier that you want, but you also majorly dilute. the professionalism and the effectiveness of those. so the company is self interest, is different than national interest. companies are problem maximizes what they do natural, except here,

we're not creating toys are producing things that result in war. the what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american, having the company in afghanistan, who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know international law such that it doesn't really have a category for arms civilians the so several governments including the british and the last government decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these prognostic should behave. kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international

community a group of companies in n, joe's and states got together and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so companies would fine up to this code promising they would not violate it. they would not commit human rights atrocities are not coming, war crimes, etc. so you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations. and oh, by the way, the private military themselves got around a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for her to contact you not work. the idea that a company would voluntarily confess crimes if committed abroad. why would they do?

the reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documents. i in about 15 countries, i've been involved and programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries of pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting these so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life. ah,

now i was again in a few hours my drug professional drill is his weapon on at one time when the kids came in can kill a lot of police forces. i was a couple of the looking down we had to exclude only 2nd place. i think about learning when people are down on the street exposure and sticking all over the city and i've anytime had gone to short had a bomb or shave a explosion. i think about my going to what happens. yeah,

before the 21st team for iraqi. they're more strangers and end it to us. yeah, sure, very my, remember well, what happened is the people running into fighting for what that or like i want to try to for the on you know,

is not good. what's because one just push it as a mix up issues and they seem like an actor for well as not young people and sarah have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds of violence wherever they go. well we always remember wanting, i'm my stuff, my wife, when i, when i have a wife one, i should continue to work. it's a weapon because i'm full on top of which mean i can do anything with the

former child soldiers have been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset. it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. ah, you know, i spend my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people and it pains me see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies. you know, we pride ourselves on being

a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exploring people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. the me is a close connection between this industry and policy makers. me private military firms. really poach retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have connections in my case,

to read enemies not formally haven't measured by ah, [000:00:00;00] i say that it sounds, procedures, but it's real. know you get what you pay for me . ah. the church industry will continue to act for governance and you're going to see the private company between engaging in warfare me

companies that are interesting in our country, companies to further on our money news companies that allows us to fundamentally if your citizen democracy and your government take selection that you don't agree with. you can vote that government town company or from your country is doing something you disagree with. like the the

people, carroll lot one or did soldier or did marine shows up in this country. we started ask yourself, why did they die? why do what were they fighting for? nobody bothers stopped by the contractors. oh, the who cares? mean there is nobody going to die and come home with a body bag in denver over or whatever. ah, every american who, sirs joins an unbroken line of heroes. i'm on my there sacrifice. ah, get them in the book. i'm not food doing what i have coming to them. you're committing, keep behind,

or who to the got it on the what the new, the god ah ah, no one is in the streets, the contractors kills. ah, ah, country still exercises its foreign policy. the use of force and violence in these 4 regions is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. ah, you think that you end up in

a wreck and somebody from here earlier than that. it's really your money. it's your tax money. doing it, but making sure the politicians are in trouble. ah . military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah, the part of ending a war responsibly? his standing by those who fought it. the oh um. ah,

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on. ah, ah ah ah, me. the president joe biden gets a hostile reception from his own citizens and made public frustration over his handling of the piano. some of the coming up in the program of the