something else to be happening the ah, the i, b, b, c was us left a wrong. america continues to maintain of high prices in the country with us to see in the world situation. and again, this done is into the crucial international hand to control the afghan forces. the security situation remains critical in the country. we are now in the

mileage i do so yeah, like how about if i was given, if i've already moved our friends most of us again, some of them they have ordered and left off on the day now for right now with nick in mind, we lose my mission didn't was on my power. so how, how many of the persons that you're sending out have used to be a child? so just in the, when i got there like on death, i can tell about how many do you think i can't, i can't i can tell, but we deal with many people and we're doing this and is this. and this the method in acting dismounted by

the news low enough to hear your fall. you will learn how to tradition, if you don't know for it with a stick from the spirit with arrows less than tradition. so if you are trying to think of that this from the disorient them stapling. so that is not the case. may be critical of people who used to be fighting when they were very young, that they now go to war. ready you think that's a problem? that's not a problem. not a problem. because yes it by fiction, people take, it's not from a much prescription. even if they had started when they were not 13

that's, that's not a problem. not a problem is that the job that the card? yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah. the the guy where we, we fact the room, they were peaceful framing in south america and resorted to use the gun. and because of this being that people who can use and what you're telling them is what they do on the english the down to should

i got the the credit company reached on my phone company or example i'm dealing with for some time. ah ah ah, the private military industry is a part of how the country is in my tours today. um,

ah, the us government doesn't track a number of contractors it uses in places iraq or afghanistan. we know it's a lot. we don't really know exactly how many i spent several years working within the industry. i have a military background and one of the differences between being a soldier i found and being a private military contractors that when we work for the us military or any military, you take a sacred oath that you're going to serve and fight for your country. as necessary, die to protect a way of life. one that you believe and i am an american soldier. i'm a warrior and a member of a c i. i will never accept. i will never will never leave a fallen comrade. it's the complete opposite in

a private military world. you look at the budget 1st, the loyalty of these companies and these businessmen change depending on market forces. we operate in the world's challenging complex emerging market. the middle east is absolutely the core for our business today. we care and power we perform, we do the right thing. this industry is not just what you see is what you get when you see a company, you don't know exactly who's working for them. they hire and they sometimes create what we call subs sub contractors. me o me ah

ah, there's been commanders and staff who just simply said, we don't know with a subs of the subs. the subs are. so you have all these layers of a contract. ah ah, the level 40 control starts to fade quickly. the deeper you go from the top to the bottom, ah, united states army and the military in general is so reliance on the private sector . i would call the dependency. but we don't know who's the on the ground presence of these companies overseas. we just don't

the me o me the time i have to to this training can come together with it to 2 white men from the security company. oh. were driving out and just a small track and what was to come through this forest, the landscape not so far away from from the airport when the, until the camp and get out of the car. the 1st thing to see is this, the instructor was in charge of the training of the making the recruits line up in order to receive these guys from the pastor care to company. the

market for from iraq they were not from you should actually need to know if i was to what are you not to me now for those who i will report. he's all right. if i to the, from a chair young the iraqi equipment was considered a quite good deal in the sense that they could actually take local shuttle, make us something the way to rec, for a couple of years. and then turning them after 2 years with money from the overseas deployment. this could serve to stabilize security on me. oh, no,

no. in the beginning of the training course, the real weapon presents. so they're using these wooden sticks. i was referred to a couple of days into the training that the weapons arrived there while being lined up at these wooden tables within in the middle of the big camp. the tension and excitement also attention mainly because now it's actually getting into

something very familiar to the cruise. so the 1st time holding a weapon, since the civil law the doctor many were starting to to shake and some were starting to cry when, when they took up the weapons and not being able to to have the energy come back into iraq. revamp. i don't know what is coming from the bus. i know what i'm saying this when i'm thinking a lot for now that when i

supposed to move up on again. so this is not my by the show up. i was following. i saw my last web on the on the war, husband was mainly by young veterans alone looking for young men to perform military jobs. the chances are quite good that they have also been child soldiers. the right job got

me. 8 i need to put the old didn't show you that you have the money to shoot up fish, or if not every day, remember me to the few. my father, you know, i don't give me. oh, when i was young. a lot of things that i didn't send to her good for you monday because i didn't have the command on the go the on her as us before. we have to do it by then you don't do dutch. you to have the,

the ah, the ah, ah, shine me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me

the, the news. when we think of war and the warrior to fight it, we have this image and our mind of a man in uniform. um and uniform means they're fighting as part of the military service nation, the cause that they fight for their force political patriotism. and yet when you look at the wars of the 21st century, they don't match those assumptions anymore. now we have out source to lot of our warfare to private military companies in the background of this changing nature of war and who fights that dates back to the very start of the private military industry itself.

until the early ninety's, the security industry is a dock and murky industry. i out right, let me just to bring you down, governments for the cash. mm. that comes 1st proper, private military company. it was exactly that. it was a private company. could field a full army if they had, they had incredibly highly trained and had moved into private functions with corporate videos. literally saying is your

executive outcomes is a legend in this business. they formed in south africa as apartheid, ended in they had a background in some of the special police forces during apartheid. which elite units had dest squads, some of the most controversial units in terms of their human rights records? no one down to go. they worked for oil companies, they work for governments, i can gola and certainly own. and this became controversial and international committee stepped in and said, you can't hire executive outcomes. so another company called fair line international out of london. so ended up taking on some of those contracts. fedloan is a company provides military consultancy services for government,

all logical operation. or at the time the idea was to get very posh english officers on top of these private military companies. and tim spicer was an officer in the military. british military got out and was asked to come help with a company called san line law executive outcomes role going to be in this we think they're extremely good, extremely professional in a very good track record. there are no. ready ready skeletons in the cupboard, i mean, we think that during the team writes record and we would use a higher as the same people to south africa. but now they're legitimate because they are working under a contract. ready ready to spices arrival gave an almost instant fangled of

respectability taught previously be unless the world, i mean i didn't personally have any difficulty with a word. most me how to take my image that it comes about in most people's mind. if i tell him it tims by 1000 communion, for newspaper dashing and charming, public school educated guards office. and that really wasn't matching the feature ministry before then. it changed agenda, the global agenda. and what problem that company was i spicer was considered a respectable hand of a mercenary organization. but 1st there's been business affairs and didn't go to well, it was dog to my failure. me. for example, you get a phone call from a fellow indian with a type passport who was under house arrest for a financial scandal. and he contacted tim spicer and wanted him to

restore the president of cheryl. was the president cheryl in was back in power. this guy would then get his contracts for diamonds and be able to make money, but it didn't work out that way. the company line run by tim spicer for the army colonel, instigated by customs and excise, and he's accused of smuggling weapons illegally. when a private firm gets involved in foreign politics for the benefit of a criminal, you have to stop and ask, okay, this really happened or is this fictitious james bond type story? when it was a true story, these things tend to happen. often times that he, what he somehow managed to get boys would respond to like talking to guinea fan line or arrested at the airport. kind of spicer is facing firearms charges linked

to his bid to provide south african trades mercenaries to put down the local result . they were thrown out of the country, but it was needed by some ways understood in the media is a risk, but can be turned. he had to deal with the bad publicity from visual pression, which previously would have been completely undercover. but i suppose spices either genius or stupidity was to make it public and say officially no, this the contract. this is the contract i signed recently, retired bruce cannot do that. a band of messengers is safely back in this country. so has put him off his new career as a hide guns. i is going to continue with this new new business. if it was found line international. i think we've got a number of lessons to learn from this particular episode. i think that we will continue to try and develop our business as long as we can do it in a central way,

me and ally, and eventually launched under the weight. and that was that a failure initial term, you can say that was successful company in terms of delivering an enormous amount of money to his shareholders. conversely launched to spice on a career where he was able to find what would then become one more significant problem if the company in the world

when 11 heard everything changed, the contractor content and the armed forces went up astronomically at this hour. american and coalition forces were in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, ideologically, republicans, my party wanted every single public function to be scrutinized, analyzed, evaluated, and if possible, privatized general shinseki, the head of the u. s. army at the time, testified to congress and said, if we're going to do a rock, it's going to take several 100000 us troops. and very quickly, the rest of the bush administration react negatively. and he's absurd, that's crazy. it's not going to require those amount of troops, and they actually essentially drummed him out of the military. it turned out he was right. we did deploy several 100000 forces. it was just through private military.

ah. ringback so in the early days of iraq, it wasn't gold rush. you had companies coming out of nowhere, including black water, was really like a cowboy was last when nobody at any control. anybody doing anything with firearms in this country could say there are private military company. was an atm for these companies? well, the basic idea of a contractor versus recruiting training and supporting military events is that there was a hiring across to getting married. so instead of a soldier who has an ex cost of a, you're now paying a contractor being a times $10.00. what has happened is that america has basically married

a prostitute and has been active, taking them for a very long period of time last, yesterday was a good example. you invade a country field, i've known a few. no rush to run this. now we will get wrong or a very the ship from using private military contractors for understandable tasks to using private military contractors . wholesale in my view, took place without much debate, and all everybody loves me with contractors offer some gray area benefits to politicians. everybody's concern,

like do we have a 1000 boots the grant? nobody ever asks how many contractors there. there's don't really care boots on the ground, which the us military want to put $1000.00 to the ground and there's $4000.00 contractors. it's a way of, you know, having a course of 5000, but without politically risk. me the lot there shooting at you you yeah. yeah. but you did. it didn't start to shoot part of it shot and brought up in ricocheted in his

car. but the private security company had the sensitivity of the civilians would often if not always get caught in the crossfire. ah, what governments have always done because they will do 2 things at once. you fight and you when hawks in mind, when she comes you on the ground opening fire, they were very, very noticeable. they would play rock music that you know, this is not, there was no subtlety. this is not a, even the military were more discreet than the pub security company. and so what it was, they were very, very public slapped in the face for the average iraqi on

a daily basis. the real problem for the military. so we fill the contractor presence in iraq in particular, but afghan stand to was becoming contrary to what the mission was for the armed forces. therefore their presence was more dangerous than it was held. ah, i have often said transparency for the powerful pharmacy, for the kids about privacy, what people care about is power tuning and sons is become a symbol of the battles of brevity. information is power. that's what's going on. and a huge struggle within government corporations who want to keep information

secret and others who democratic rights should be pushed forward. and people have a right to know what their particular watch. sons helped to shift the conversation around transparency and see what that battle has done to him. i feel like julian's life might be coming to an end. we are in a conflict situation with the largest and most powerful employer in such a situation. it's remarkable to survive the way the u. s. government as funded is through the issue of treasury bonds and they pay the interest on those bonds by collecting taxes who owns most of those bonds? virtually all those bonds, the top 110th of one percent. so the government simply becomes a pastor mechanism for people to pay money from their pockets through something

called taxes that are just a sickly, that hides the transmission mechanism of your money through the government, into those who own these bonds. the president biden gets a hostile reception from the us public. him. it's anger over the handling of the of the stand pull out the 20th anniversary of non 11 approaches are to explore the legacy of america's war on terror in a series of special reports. today we hear from families who saw the loved ones killed in a recent us drug striking comp time the head of the family.