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the influx of contractors, what largely uncontrolled by us government was this organized non purpose. it just was too much going on and were zones and there was no coordination really between the companies. busy the problem was that we had all of the different private military companies running around we out source to quickly, and they weren't coordinated both in contract terms, but also an on the ground operational terms. so what is your answer to a problem without sourcing our source more we out sourced it, to a private military company to coordinate the seem to be ideal for us. company was a huge contract. it was half a $1000000.00 or just under that and was just assume that one of the large,

big american companies when, when it, when it didn't work out that way, i pendleton spies that hit the headlines as again, during the ons to africa affair involving these old company, sand lines, but general spies that now is developed a striving business in private security. and he recently won that multi 1000000 pound contract. well tim sizes with me now. tim. good morning. what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lauren order? i wouldn't advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection all sand me contract in iraq. we still see the communication and coordination for all the private security companies on the graph. the, the make that they were a general in charge of all of the private contract at that

point, the us military was the largest military presence in iraq. but just to get all of the private ministry contract spice in respect to be in charge of the 2nd largest home for me, spicer is a fairly well known figure. and british political and media circles me. but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a logistics contracting sell in virginia. not in iraq by a group of you know, essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. no knowledge of the different players and referred to him as a british guy. me

the the world of private security contracted when they heard that this company called aegis one this contract and that the people that were working for were so the africans and not american it was, there was furious when you're applying for these contracts. your bid will include you and your business is personal history. it doesn't say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost cost a foreign ministers job be just prisons in iraq was relatively spend the free of one video which was posted on youtube from the easiest contract who is following the gun while playing rock

music, the i know lead to actions will take what do your weapons in this battle in iraq? for me it's, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. the very rapidly just became a huge need to spice me helping me. majority of americans now i think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq, early in the iraq war,

the president still before the end of the mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over why the u. s. as in iraq in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home. in a brief survey, tony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money was starting to be pulled out of the rocky field operations and the industry had to go to a very complicated reset. the company had to realize that they weren't going to get that level of money. again, i said they had to offer different packaging deals

that meant they would have to hire cheapest soldiers. ah, yeah. monday morning. no, no, no no no. ready i i was. ready wondering. ready ready when i go from there, i meant to call home. i knew i did my drug always

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performance. when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time? and i'm playing off memory cells, but i'm pretty good at that was about $11200.00. and then, oh, i don't know, 6 months, a year ago it became a garden guards at about $800.00 a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. rushed to the bottom is what some call it y y o gone. it's now vs provings in columbia. and so we don't have chance to get the award unless we use a gardens because there are $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on this most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st i've heard of, well, we've got a good strategy. were used in sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms but $250.00 a month? you know, i guess rhetorically. i don't expect can answer and, you know, can we go

a little lower? can we find someone? it's like we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be a free security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i say that it sounds facetious, but it's real. know you get what you pay for. ah me the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. s. bidding system requires that you pick the lowest bidder. so the

became the status quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners in iraqi people for where they came from and who they fought for. so some of that would be with the colombian marines, and i say i used to be with range in uganda, as you know, came out of the, again, an army of the challenges that i was with when i spent a month in blackwater, from pinochet's, private guard and some of these countries are known for extremely good wars, whether it's colombia severally own. and there's not a lot of discussion about where did your like, so long as you are in the army and you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. if you can, mass has specification and your cost is lower than you in the job. ah, the way the u. s. government funded is through the issuance of treasury bond and

they pay the interest on those bonds by collecting taxes who owns most of those bonds. virtually all those bonds, the top 110th the one percent. so the government simply becomes a pass through mechanism for people to pay money from their pockets through something called taxes that are just a fake leave that hides the transmission mechanism of your money through the government into those who own these bond the the war drug started as a way to come back, a great problem. what's the war on? it's part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and it got to be something that you could get elected. this time, the fight against drugs took a check. he told us that andrew was competing short form. this

is way too dangerous for him to be doing. clearly they put him in harm's way. a rural college student does interest get shot in the head and found in a river like that. something else had to be happening with this. so you cut your cost, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want, but you also majorly dilute. the professionalism and the effectiveness of those in the company is felt. the interest is different than national interest. companies are

problematic as much as what they do natural, except here we're not creating toys. we're producing things that results in war. the what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american having the company and that's janice. who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know international law such that it doesn't really have a category for arms civilians the so simply governments, including the british and the last government decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these prognosis should behave. ready

the kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community a group of companies in n, joe's and states got together. and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so companies would fine up to this code promising they would not violate that they would not commit human rights atrocities or not can make war crimes, etc. so you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations. and by the way, the private military themselves got around a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for. ready conduct not work. the idea that a company would voluntarily confess. crimes if committed abroad. why would they

do? the reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documents. i and about 15 countries, i've been involved and programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries of pump large some money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and submit their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life

. the now i was going to see i was, it was my drug professional drug is weapon. ah, at one time when the kids came into account, a killer, a lot of felicia fancies, hours and couple of looking now we had to exclude you on the 2nd place. i think about swallowing when people are down on the street. the explosion is sticking all over the city and i've anytime had gone short had a bomb or shave

a explosion. i think about my going to what happens. yeah, the for the putting the refresh team for iraqi. they're more strict and it was. yeah. remember, so this is what happened instead and the people running in gum fighting for what that or like i want to try to for the

on you know, is not a good one because one just push it as a mix up issues and they seem like an act afraid, well as not young people unfairly on have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds violence wherever they go. well, we don't always remember one thing. i'm my stuff, my wife when she, when i, when i have a wife one i should be in control when you're not in the work because i'm full on tunnel,

which mean i can do anything with the former child soldiers. i've been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. me. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. i spend my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. and it pains me see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies

. you know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exploring people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. me as a close connection between this, this industry and policy makers, me is private military firm. this really poach

of retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have connections in my case, to really not enemy i formally haven't measured by i say that it procedures, but it's real. know you get what you pay for me . ah, the church street will continue to act for governance and you're going to see the private company between engaging in warfare me

companies that are interesting, our country companies, on our money news companies that allows me funded mentally if your citizen democracy and your government take selection that you don't agree with, you can vote that government out company from your country is doing something. you disagree with the

people carol? lot one or did soldier or marine shows up in this country and we started ask yourself, why did they die? why do, what were they fighting for? nobody bothers down by the contractors. oh, the who cares? green there is nobody going to die and come home in a body bag in denver, over or whatever. ah, every american who, sirs joins an unbroken line of heroes, am awed by their sacrifice. ah, winning get them in? no. i don't. i'm not food. doing what i have coming it

down. you come in and keep behind or who did he got it? i don't know what they need. he got, ah, ah no one in the street contractors killed. ah, ah, still exercises is foreign policy. the use of force and violence in these 4 regions is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. oh i you think that you can get somebody from here?

we can fit it's really your money. it's your tax money doing it. but making sure the politicians from ah, military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah. as part of ending a war responsibly, his standing by those who for the oh um ah,

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i'll prove just don't the world yet to fill out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in the present by didn't get that whole style reception from the american public. i mean, over he's handling the, i've got his town, pull out as the 23 of 911 approaches. he explode the legacy of america's war and tara, in

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