day enough, i found right now about making money lose money when you get mission didn't was on my power. so how, how many of the persons that you're sending out have used to be a child? so just in the when i got there, i can't tell. i can't tell about how many do you think i can't, i can't i can't tell, but we deal with many people and we're doing this and this and this the method in effecting dismounted by the office as a quote. ah, ah,

okay. well enough to hear your phone, you will learn how to use the tradition if you don't know for the from the spirit with arrows less than tradition. so if you drink single this from the disorient them staple income. so that is not the case, may be critical of people who used to be fighting when they were very young, that they now go to or you think that's a problem? not that's not a problem about another problem because yes about steps. young people take, it's not from us capture even if they had started when they were told or they're not 13. that's not a problem. not a problem. is that the job that the hard? yeah, sorry, yeah. yeah. the,

the, the, the fan guards where we have, we've got the room, they were peaceful friday in january and resorted to use the guidelines because of their discipline. that people will come here. yes. and what's your tammy? this is what they do on the english the down to should. that's why they've got the the credit. the companies recon com i'm i'm,

i'm in or example i'm dealing with for some time. ah ah ah, the private military industry is a part of how the country is in my tours today. um ah, the us government doesn't track and number of contractors it uses in places iraq or,

and the stand. we know it's a log, we don't really know exactly how many the me i spent several years working with in the industry have a military background. and one of the differences between being a soldier i found and being a private military contractors that when we work for the us military or any military, you take a sacred oath that you're going to serve and fight for your country as necessary, die to protect a way of life when that you believe and i am an american soldier. i'm a warrior and a member of a team. i. i will never accept. i will never quit. i'll never leave a fallen comrade. it's the complete opposite in a private military world. you look at the budget 1st, the loyalty of these companies and these businessmen change depending on market

forces. we operate in the world's challenging complex emerging market. the middle east is absolutely the core for our business today. we care in power. we perform, who do the right thing. this industry is not just what you see is what you get when you see a company, you don't know exactly who's working for them. they hire and they sometimes create what we call subs subcontractors. me o me . ah ah, there's been commanders and staff who just simply said,

we don't know who the subs of the subs the subs are. so you have all these layers of a contract. ah ah, the level 40 control starts to fade quickly. the deeper you go from the top to the bottom, ah, united states army and the military in general is so reliance on the private sector . i would call the dependency. but we don't know who's the on the ground presence of these companies overseas. we just don't i me o me

the time i drive to to this training can come together with it to 2 white men from from the security company. oh, we're driving out in a small truck and what was to come through this far as the landscape, not so far away from from the airport. when we enter the camp and get out of the car, the 1st thing to see is this, that you can, the instructor was in charge of the training of the making that we could line up in order to receive these guys from the plaza carrier company. the market for from iraq not hear from you. like you said,

i need to find out what to what are you not one of those who basic i will report this is all if you would at the top right. if i took the from a chair, young government, the erect equipment was considered a quite good deal in the sense that they could actually take local shuttle, make us something in a way to rec, for a couple of years. and then turning them after 2 years with money from the overseas deployment. this could serve to stabilize security on me in the beginning of the training course, the one the real weapons presence. so that using these wooden sticks,

i was referred to a couple of days into the training that the weapons arrived. and they were being lined up at these wooden tables within in the middle of the home. it was this tension and excitement also attention mainly because now it's actually getting into something very real from any of the crews and the 1st time holding a weapon. since anything of the civil law,

the doctor many were starting to to shake and some were starting to cry when, when they took up the weapons not being able to have the end of the compliance bagging revamp. i don't know what is coming from the bus. i said, i'm open. no, and i've seen this when i'm thinking well now that when i was supposed to move up on again, i should use, you know, my, my, the show up. i was following. i saw my last web on

the young on the husband was mainly by young veterans alone looking for young men to perform military jobs. the chance was quite good that they had also been child soldiers the right job got me. ah need to be all good and show you

that you have the money to shoot up fish. if not every day. remember me to the few . my father you my word. i know i don't give me. oh, when i was young that i don't have things that i've just heard good for you. monday wednesdays. because job have your command on the go the on her i just before you have to do it by then you don't do dutch. you to have the, to the having alternate realities, experience or even live in like a world war. those my, the you know,

especially during the and damage where you can go anywhere in the game world, go everywhere, choose the game that you want, any open world game, choose it, and you are now on a vacation in a place where you're like flying helicopters or you're, you're on beaches, you're, you're in a city drive, you know, whatever you want. you name it these. these are getaways. on september the 11th 2001 day that reshape to the modern world. i remember watching the world trade center burn on a t v at the cia and i was standing there like this just looking at it. and a colleague of mine was standing next to me and he said, my god, did they have any idea what they've done? you can, we're going to kill everybody now. everybody, the, the live tv image is provoked the us into declaring its war on terror.

they've begun to bomb up, can villages and holmes and get people hurt and, and killed the main goal of destroying terrorism. and then was it achieved? yes. and no. ok to essentially no longer exists. good for us. but there are certainly other terrorist groups that are worse than when we think of war and the warrior who fights it. we have this image and our mind of a man in uniform. um and uniform means they're fighting as part of the military service nation, the cause that they fight for their, for political patriotism. and yet when you look at the wars of the 21st century,

they don't match those assumptions anymore. now, we have out source to lot of our warfare to private military companies in the background of this changing nature of war and who fights it. that dates back to the very start of the private military industry itself. until the early ninety's, before the security industry is a dock and murky industry. i used to bring down governments for the cash. mm. the outcomes disposed proper, private military company. it was exactly that. it was

a private company that could field a full army the time they had incredibly haughty train and have moved into a private depression with corporate videos. literally saying in your executive outcomes is a legend in this business they formed in south africa as apartheid ended in they had a background in some of the special police forces during apartheid. was elite units . i've had death squads, some of the most controversial units in terms of their human rights records. no one down to go. they worked for oil companies. they work for

governments like in goal and certainly own. and this became controversial and the international committee stepped in and said, you can't hire executive outcomes. so another company called van line international out of london. so ended up taking on some of those contracts. fedloan is a company provides military consulting services for government or large corporation or. ready at the time, the idea was to get very posh english officers on top of these private military companies. and tim spicer was an officer in the military. british military got out and was asked to come help with a company called san line. law executive comes to be unless we think they're extremely good, extremely professional in a very good track record. there are no. ready skeletons in the cupboard is it?

well, i mean we think that will bring a team rights record and we would use. ready the hires the same people to south africa, but now they're legitimate because they're working under a contract. in spice's arrival, gave an almost instant samples of respectability toward previously be a muslim world. and i didn't personally have any difficulty with the word must just take me like the image that it comes up in most people's mind. if i tell him it tims by 1000 communion, for newspaper dashing and charming, public school educated guards officer. and that really wasn't matching the feature ministry before then it changed the agenda, the global agenda, and what a problem that you company was i, jim spicer, was considered a respectable hand of a mercenary organization. but 1st,

as business affairs didn't go too well. it was dogged by failure me, for example, you get a phone call from a fellow indian with a type passport who was under house arrest for financial scandal. and he contacted tim spicer and wanted him to restore the president of cheryl. was the president's share liam's back in power? this guy would then get his contracts for diamonds and to be able to make money, but it didn't work out that way. the company line run by tim spicer for my mommy, carnell, 150 gigs by customs and excise and he's acute smuggling weapons illegally. when a private firm gets involved in foreign politics for the benefit of a criminal,

you have to stop and ask, okay, this really happened or is this fictitious? james bond type story, but it was a true story. these things tend to happen often times that he always somehow managed to get boys with either respond in talking to guinea satellite, arrested at the airport, kind of spicer is facing firearms charges linked to his speed to provide south african trained reef to put down a local result they were thrown out of the country, but it was needed by some ways understood. and the media is a risk, but can be turned. he had to deal with the bad publicity from this operation, which previously would have been completely undercover. but i suppose spices either genius or stupidity was to make it public and say officially, no, this was

a contract. this is the contract i signed the recently retired. bruce can lose that . a band of messengers is safely back in this country. so has this put him off his new career as a hive guns? i am going to continue with this new new business if it was found line international. well, i think we've got a number of lessons to learn from this particular episode. i think that we will continue to try and develop our business as long as we can do it in a central way, me line eventually to land under the weight. and that was not a failure. in the short term, you can say that was successful company in terms of delivering an enormous amount of money to his shareholders. conversely, it launched him spice on a career where he was able to found what will then become one significant problem if the company in the world me

when i 11 occurred, everything change the contractor content and the armed forces went up astronomically, at this hour. american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, ideologically, republicans, my party wanted every single public function to be scrutinized, analyzed, evaluated, and if possible, privatized, general shinseki,

the head of the u. s. army at the time, testified to congress and said, if we're going to do a rock, it's going to take several 100000 us troops. and very quickly, the rest of the bush administration react negatively. and he's absurd, that's crazy. it's not going to require those amount of troops, and they actually essentially drummed him out of the military. it turned out he was right. we did deploy several 100000 forces. it was just through private military. ah, so in the early days of iraq, it was a gold rush. you had companies coming out of nowhere in green, black water was really like a cowboy while la last. be at any control. anybody doing anything with firearms in this country could say there are private military company was an atm. these

companies the basic idea of a contractor versus recruiting training and supporting military events is that there was an hiring process to getting married. so instead of a soldier who has an ex cost of a, you're now paying a contract or being a times $10.00. you are welcome. what has happened is that america has basically married a prostitute and has been active, taking them for a very long period of time yesterday. for example, if you want me to come see there's going to be the fuel i've known a few of the rest of us are to run this man. we will get wrong or a very the ship from using private

military contractors for understandable tasks to using private military contractors . wholesale in my view, took place without much debate and all everybody laughed. contractors offer some gray area benefits to politicians. everybody's concern, like do we have a 1000 boots the grant? nobody ever asks how many contractors there. there's don't really care boots on the ground, which the us military wanted to put $1000.00 to the ground and there's $4000.00 contractors. it's a way of, you know, having 5000, but without politically risk the the

lot on their shooting at you you it. yeah. yeah. but you bang, bang it did. he didn't go to part of it. i shot in front of him. ricocheted his car . exactly right. the private security company had the sensitivity of the letter for civilians would often if not always get caught in the crossfire. ah,

what governments have always done because they will do 2 things at once. you fight and you when hawks are mine. when she comes to the ground, opening fire m a very, very noticeable they will play rock music that you know, this is not, there was no subtlety. this is not a, even the military were more discrete than the prob, security company. and so what they was, they were very, very public flapping the face for the average rocky on a daily basis the real problem for the military. so we fell the contractor presence in iraq in particular . but afghan stand to was becoming contrary to what the mission was for the armed forces. therefore their press, which was more dangerous than it was hell, ah,

ah, is your media a reflection of reality? in a world transformed what will make you feel safer? tyson lation community you going the right way? where are you being somewhere? direct? what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted, you need to defend the join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah ah, the pacific leg around the world,

expedition by 1000 miles round the clock of the dead. calm miss wilson as every country close by it was like the crew, gavin's food, and one or 2 to chat for a show. the little boy in the little, i know i said it's got everybody locked down or almost no food and no water. really? i'm not sure somebody stuck in the coven living like the semen of own. but in the 21st century. ah

ah. ah, the head of the 911 unable israel has been looking at the lasting impact of the us led war on terror. today we'll be hearing from a british army veteran on the devastating toll of the 20 year african conflicts. we've talked to many people, the situation which we just gave up on so they've come the tele bonneville's this new government for afghan this time, including a terrorist on the f. b, i most wanted list washington left with no option to cooperate with the incoming leadership.