worse than on the moon, the, the head of the anniversary of 911 parties been looking at the lasting impact of the us led war on terror. today we'll be hearing from a british army veteran about the devastating toll of the 20 year afghan conflict. to many people for situation which we just gave a point. also had the taliban unveils its new governments for up dana stab, including a terrorist on the f. b i most wanted list, but washington left with no other option. it must cooperate with the incoming leadership. and the australian high court rules that media companies can be held

liable for defamatory 3rd party comments posted on their facebook pages. the decision didn't go down well with many news outlets. we discussed this ruling with our panel of guest ah, broadcasting live from moscow to the world. this is our international. i am your host donald quarter. welcome to the program. almost 2 decades have passed since the tragedy of 911. the event that triggered america's war on terror, we're continuing to investigate the lasting impact that those conflicts have had on the lives of millions in our special project on heard voices. the will use all tools at our disposal. killed our children to united states was bringing people to the site. it was a pointless exercise among those who paid the highest price for the

african invasion were the $457.00 british personnel killed in action. but for those lucky enough to make it home, many were still left with lasting trauma. let's hear the account of trevor colt who served in the british army for 20 years. he saw 4 tours and afghan stan and received one of the case, highest honors for his service. i take my life last year. i was in a wheel by the way, my mind ended. i nearly lost my son, and i didn't know what to do. a lot of the guys i was with don't really talk to each other anymore. i mean there and to try to delete it and move away from all. but quite a few people lives in the last 4 or 5 years. most recent is only a few months ago.

i few been through hell and you're still living it. you just get a feeling of fear. she wouldn't understand, you know, and giving the order to kill someone and stuff you people get upset of it, things today that don't need it, but i want so i am oak and my coffee. i really just drink the coffee when i 1st went to the gallery on, we were told that we were going to burn the poppy fields to the plumbers to work and do not. not pon, changed them. we landed in our troops in a way that they haven't for many years are going to be fighting alongside other

countries and situations of great danger. salinas are very good at taking orders and just getting on with it. i'm not questioning orders, but as you go to the years and you mature and you start to sort of have to bring in the thing for yourself and realize, okay, why are we here? what are we doing? we're not looking at gast, i don't think it was a pointless exercise. what's happening in the south of afghanistan, the redlands, about tight taliban trying to get back power the way back and tell about had already got id in the grind that we'd already cleared. my friend, my really was just a couple, stood on one and died instantly lost his arms and legs. i believe it's 17 casualties all from, from our group or the each of those casualties. you've got quite a few guys affected by what they've seen. it's trauma, public trauma as

a constant high threat over a weeks and weeks. and most of the u. k. troops and officials of work round the clock to a remorseless deadline. it, thanks to the colossal exertions this country has not been processed, check vetted, and ended more than 15000 people to safety in less than 2 weeks. i mean, it's been a complete mess, hard by ins and ministration worked with the rational of his allies. it would have been, we were going to leave anyway, but we could have done up a systematic approach. for instance. you do even the top of middle of the mindset to understand that if you're going to extract from a country, you bring back all your citizens from the embassy, put them into secure bias and then fly them. what you don't do is flyers your military and then go what about the one with the civilians?

tom and i got shannon stuck at home, be 600016 weapon systems, 3 stars and bombs left behind. so munitions that can be used for id. the glass that i was watching last night i watched a video of telephone draft as us special forces moving in behind her to take control of fortune x, which, you know, it's just unbelievable. we lost too many people for situation which we just gave up on. the highly decorated former british army officer trevor colts. throughout the week we'll be hearing from more people both soldiers and civilians whose lives were ereka, iraq, irrevocably altered by americans. longest war that's in our special coverage on heard voices. 9 days after the u. s. pull out from afghan stand. the country has a new government and waiting. it consists mostly of hard line taliban militants, and the u. s. says it's in no rush to recognize the new regime. that said the white

house has added that it has no other option to work with the very terror group. it went to war against 20 years ago. their new acting interior minister is a tiny network. carrot these wanted for a bombing that killed 6 people, including an american, he believed to have participated in cross border attack against us troops. there's a $10000000.00 bounty on his head. why are we engaging? should we, should we not talk to the people who are overseeing of ghana, stan, and just leave it and not get the rest of the american citizens out with the international community is watching the united states as watching its whether they let people depart the country who want to depart, whether they treat women across the country as they have committed to treat them and how they behave and operate, and therefore we're not moving toward recognition. at the same time, we're dealing with a reality world here. we have to engage in order to get american citizens and others out of the country. the taliban unveiled it's all male interim government.

on wednesday, the military will be led by the sun of the taliban founder and the interior minister is a militant wanted in the u. s for deadly bombings including a 2017 truck blast and couple killed 150 people. the taliban leadership will also include members of a u. s. designated terror group and former guantanamo inmates. the prison has been operating at a u. s. military base in cuba for 19 years. and that time, almost $800.00 people have been held there without charge or trial many subjected to water boarding stress positions and sleep deprivation. and former c i a analysts, john curiosity, who, who lifted the lid on abusive interrogations in guantanamo still stands by his decision to speak out. i have 0 regrets. i will never have any regrets. somebody had to tell the american people that the government was committing crimes

in their names. you know, when we try to convince the world that we are a shining beacon of human rights and respect for civil rights and civil liberties. and then they see us carrying out a torture program at secret prisons around the world. it just makes us look so hypocritical. i can understand why any country would want to emulate the united states in a situation like that. the end of this 20 year military campaign by the united states in afghanistan. did you ever imagine that it would and so quickly, so frantically. no, i didn't imagine so, and i don't think any americans did just like no americans assumed in september or october of 2001 that 20 years later we would be having this conversation, you know, present inside and said just about a month ago that he believed that the african government could hold out for 6 more months. in fact, they held out for 6 days. and i think that that he gave that 6 month time

because that's what he was told by the cia. and it just goes to show you that this was another intelligence failure in a long line of intelligence failures. i think the after, at the afghan people rightly resent the united states for 20 years of occupation and then in the end, nothing to show for it. but death and destruction, we made this terrible, terrible mistake called nation building, where we decided that it was, it was incumbent upon us to impose a western style democracy on a country that never had any history of western style democracy. and then we couldn't understand why it didn't stick what we have to have is true and robust, congressional oversight, which we have not had in decades. what you see general is a group of congressional cheerleaders for the cia, the f, b i, the defense department, and the state department. and that has to stop. there has to be legitimate,

true oversight, where members of congress tell the government to stock crimes are being committed and then we have to see those crime prosecuted and see the people who carried out those crimes punished. we haven't seen that in many, many years. meanwhile, the united nations human rights body has warned that if ghana stan is facing a total collapse in basic services with food and life saving 8 about to run out, it's estimated at least 600000000 dollars and 8 will be needed by the end of the year to prevent a catastrophe. you and also reports that nearly half of afghanistan's population of 38000000 people needs humanitarian aid. among them are 3 and a half 1000000 people internally displaced by the conflict. the red cross president peter mar, traveled to the country and visited medical facilities before meeting with the new afghan government. he spoke to our team

on the one side. you will see all that these are the remnants of war. you see these camps, these vehicles, military vehicles, you'll see the struction where fighting has taken place, including in some of the cities like rush, car and others. and on the other hand, you see and normality of life and normal life, you see that this country is and has been affected by 40 years of war and by poverty. and the 2 together create enormous human period meet. we had a long conversation with marla, about the deputy of the now we're now in government, a very substantial conversation with him self and with some of his closer aids and collaborators in order to ensure that the humanitarian space, which is needed for

a good, impactful and usually, human terry and assistance are guaranteed, i think we got a lot of understanding and also good sense that we need for it to dialogues as we move forward. now in other news, the high court in australia has ruled that some of the country's largest media companies can now be held liable for comments that users post on their social media pages. the case was triggered by dylan bowler, a former detainee and in australian youth detention center. he claimed that negative comments posted on an image of him, shackled in a spit hood on social media were defamatory major news outlets including sky news and the sydney morning herald, appealed the ruling saying that they cannot be held responsible for 3rd party comments. the decision was upheld by the high court. the acts of the opponents in

facilitating encouraging and their boy assisting the posting of comments spied a 3rd party facebook uses rendered them publishes of those comments. the appellants attempts to betray themselves as passive on unwitting victims of facebook functionality has an air of unreality. having take an action to secure the commercial benefit of the facebook functionality, the appellants bear the legal consequences. facebook has yet to comment on the court decision, however, it looks likely that australian news outlets may now disable the comments feature. a feature facebook added in march or post fewer stories on social media, something they say restrict freedom of speech. this decision was sammy, the exchange of ideas encourages facebook uses to turn off a petune. it is for comment i call on australia is attorney's general to address this normally and bring australian law into line with comparable western

democracies. my colleague niel harvey discussed the issue earlier with our panel of guests. we need some accountability. yeah. that needs to be accountability directly on those posting comments. and if you want to pursue those people, you can. but at the same time, if the media companies are encouraging, that's why skewing what they publish on facebook and other platforms to generate interest, to have those little rabble rousing plate bite, then they need to share some of the blame. it supposes that people actually say, comment section, seriously, most people read comments be entertained. they know it's maybe a bunch of yahoo's and most people are basically able to do their own research and looking into things that people claiming and the section. it's kind of a stretch to hold a publisher accountable for defamation or what have you, based on just what someone on the internet wants to say on their baseline feed. there's a fight now for the attention by major organizations and they do use the comment

section as a way of whipping up interest in a story. and that must be fully aware of the inflammatory things that said the moneys and very, very hateful and very defamatory on many subjects. but it serves that purpose. do they need to take more responsibility for this? it is a double edged sword. the, the top issue because, you know, in one way we should take personal responsibility. we should be able, we should be allowed to have a freedom of speech regardless of what that is. and i hope that people have the wherewithal to know what to follow. what was more now with facebook, this outlook does not matter, has an audience of millions and millions of people. 1.2000000000 people around the world. and so the audience is much, much larger. you're looking at a lot more chances for damages are, aren't the ones reputation. and so that's why i think, i think at the very least we should have been mentioned or, or look at in part of that is having these large audiences. because we know that

they can also choose what is that and what goes in especially. but what they were saying here was that an article published, even if they try not mention the name, they are still, it's still be on the part of that article. they have the comment because you chose to put in your encouraging people to comment for people to say things, whatever that might cause to a 3rd party or somebody else. and that is what they're looking at is that people a lot more people are going to read comments from john, go with 10 followers. if it's on some major tabloid article, or even any major news out with home and sections of, of any website, they seem like a kind of a double edged sword. seems like the companies enjoy them. maybe they kind of create more interest. they generate a buzz around an article or a particular topic, but the, but also that come with that dangerous side that people will say, had a lot of hateful, potentially defamatory stuff. is this the best solution now, but what's being proposed or is there a better way to go? we prefer training. people smarter about how they take information and what they

read online. most rational people. busy know when they're being misled, they know when something a quick pace, they know it's a common section and maybe pull of it or, and they need to look into something more deeply, you know, as a free speech. absolutely. i think that if you want to go down this route, the owner needs to go on the owner of the property, which is facebook, you know, in new york times, if someone has a facebook page isn't as common. thank you. are kind of the own their page. facebook got very clear of service that basically owns everything you put on their site. so it doesn't, it seems suspicious, but this comes down onto the publisher and not the publisher being the news organization and not facebook itself. first of all, within facebook they can shut off coming. they're not particularly worried about having driving up a big deal. i think for all they can simply go in. and secondly, they told me directly, if a comment appears in against their all,

they have to be give them the opportunity to take it down. and therefore, if somebody points out the defamatory comment just being published and the public it publish as a publisher to do so, it's a publisher, ignore this opportunity and doesn't take down the very, very brightly the publisher should buy the music. you're watching r t international. the messaging service whatsapp is again under fire war apparently ditching. it's pledge to protect the users private data. and we break down the implications after this short break. ah the way the u. s. government funded is through the issuance of treasury bond and they pay the interest on those bonds by collecting taxes. who owns most of those

bonds? virtually all those bonds, the top 110th of one percent. so the government simply becomes a pastor mechanism for people to pay money from their pockets through something called taxes that are just a thickly that hides the transgression mechanism of your money through the government, into those who own these bond having alternate realities to experience or even live in like a world war, does my dear, you know, especially during the panoramic where you can go anywhere in the game world, go everywhere, you know, choose the game that you want. any open roll game, choose it, and you are now on a vacation. in a place where you're like flying helicopters or you're, you're on beaches, you're, you're in a city drive, you know, what are the car you want your name and these, these are getaways. ah,

welcome back to the program. now the messaging service, what's up prides itself on advanced encryption technology, which supposedly keeps your message, is private. but it turns out more users are handing over far more data to the companies to the apps, parent company, facebook, and then thought ortiz. dmitri polk has more, everyone likes their privacy, and when you use a messenger like whatsapp that keeps hammering on and on about how secure it is, you're inclined to believe that your private data stays well private. well, shocker, that's apparently not the case. what's up turns out to be, well, not that private and it's owner facebook keep thing, hundreds of millions in fines for privacy violations. and that's after numerous promises from zocker berg about insuring a truly secure experience on their platforms. i believe the future of communication

will increasingly shift to private encrypted services where people can be confident, what they say to each other, stay secure. this is the future i hope will help bring about that was back in 2019 and what was supposed to be the messenger to bring about a part of that private future. but come on, this is facebook we're talking about, according to a recent investigation by the pro public a platform, it turns out facebook actively undermined its security assurances. zoning, crypt dates available for scrutiny is extensive. it's includes the names and profile images of the uses. what's up groups, as well as their phone number profile, photo status, message phone, but your level language and time zone unique mobile phone id and ip address. and that's not all. other unencrypted data reportedly includes access to the users entire list of electronic devices. any related facebook or instagram accounts the last time they use the app and even a history of any previous violations,

not exactly what you would call complete privacy, although a spokesperson for what i did reiterate that users messages are still encrypted and are only seen when they are forwarded to the user submitted report system. the decisions we make around how we build out app are focused around the privacy of our users, maintaining a high degree of reliability and prevention abuse. but the company doesn't just stop at batting accounts, which have been reported by users. they also allegedly share all the information they have with the justice department. apparently what's up? metadata played an important role in the arrest of a former senior advisory at the us treasury. natalie may edwards, who had been sent to prison for leaking sensitive information to the media, describing how dirty money flows through us. banks edwards has maintained. she leaked the documents in a bid to expose corruption. my notice was accountability and the american people had the right to know what was occurring with the treasury, and that it was a national security issue and that american lives were in jeopardy. instead of the

government doing their job, they decided to come after a whistleblower with the increasing rate at which the u. s. government requests information from all facebook affiliated platforms. it's plausible to assume there will be more arrests based on may. the data in the near future. and while facebook promises but it cares about security and privacy of its users at the end of the day, it doesn't seem to have an issue collecting and giving out information to those who asked for. it seems like the company is more concerned with stopping the spread of what they call this information. and with trying to assert their influence in politics instead of actually remembering that they started as a social media site, it's true to say that nothing is really private nowadays. but that doesn't change the fact that when a company assures and promises its users, that something will be encrypted and they, they will not be able to review the content of their messages. when that trust is broke, i think that they should be entitled to, at least, frankly, at this point,

some sort of compensation. there are different protections for consumers in every industry. but for some reason, tech companies seem to be the only ones out there that can, once again, regular, on terms of service and for their customers trust with no consequences. largely. and i think it's about time that the actual elected officials in the world start asserting their power against these tech james and reminding the silicon valley billionaires that no, they are not our rulers, and that nobody elected them. they are not above the law. russia and its neighbor bell roofs are moving towards closer integration. the leaders of the 2 countries met and moscow laid on thursday and the ongoing spat between minsk and the european union over refugees was also high up on the agenda. as the way to try and go explains while now there is definitely a new reason for tension between the european union and bellows, which have already been locking horns for a while now. because of many different issues in particular because of the attitude

by brussels, to the comp, think between the government and minsk, and the opposition there. now you can definitely add afghan refugees to that list. brussels has accused men's of taking advantage of this as a tool for pressure on the european blog. now, on the other hand, bell ruse is saying that the european union is turning a blind eye on how poland and lithuania are mis treating the african refugees and all how they're pretty much taking them out of the country. back into bella luce, during the press conference, the journalist asked the 2 presidents whether moscow and mens were ready to react to all that's accordingly with some joint action. a lot of our potent replied that the, this is none of russia's business, because here we're talking about the border between poland and bell rouge, between lithuania and bruce. but the russian president did go on to criticize the

european union. what he meant was that european countries are in touch with the taliban. however, they are refusing to talk to the bell. russian government directly, which never came to power as a result of an armed take over more the, the my answer is go and talk to the bell original authorities, european countries talk about the catastrophe. enough chemist on blame themselves for leaving the people the but some african refugees have been pushed out of europe towards better rushes borders with lithuania and poland. i don't understand this logic. you can blame dollars for anything, but really taking the afghans went to push them out to back to get this done. but then will they ask us to get them out of there again, there is no logic and a much wider discussion on the issue. refugees and other security issues related to again, a stan is expected next week when alexander lucas shantell and vladimir putin will be joined by other heads of state from the region induce on bay. that's the capital

to g. g. a stand only about 200 kilometers away from of ghana. stan this only proves how crucial these issues are at this point. but it also shows how the most important regional player, such as russia and china, along with their post. soviet allies are ready to deal with all that together. now, just before we go, some news just in up to 12, people have been wounded in a mass shooting in east saint louis in the u. s. state of illinois. according to local media, police are searching for 3 suspects in a wooded area after their getaway vehicle was hit by a commuter train. 6 of the victims are known to have been taken to the hospital and there is no information at this time on their condition. well, of course, bring you the latest details as they become available. for more information on your top news stories, you can always check out our website, r t dot com or follow us on twitter. i'll be back with more news in just about 30

minutes, so stay tuned. me the for many of us, the end of the american war enough denison was inevitable. in the end, the conflict was more about a massive grip than about nation building and smart, strategic thinking. jo bible says the us is done with we making foreign countries through the use of force. there is no reason to take the american president. i just want him to turn around the traffic circle, they're really trying to weigh the influx of

contractors, what largely uncontrolled by us government was this organized non purpose. it just was too much going on in war sounds. and there was no coordination really, between the companies the problem was that we had all of the different private military companies running around we've out source to quickly. and they weren't coordinated both in contract terms, but also and on the ground operational terms. so what is your answer to a problem of our sourcing? outsource more, we out sourced it, to a private military company to coordinate the seem to be ideal for us. company was a huge contract. it was half a $1000000.00 or just under that. and was just assume that one of the large, big american companies.