the, the influx of contractors went largely, uncontrolled by the company was organized not in purpose, it just was too much going on and were zones. and there was no coordination really, between the companies. the problem was that we had all of the different private military companies running around we out source to quickly and they weren't coordinated both in contract terms, but also and on the ground operational terms. so what is your answer to a problem without sourcing, outsource, more, we out sourced it, to a private military company to coordinate the seem to be ideal for us. company was a huge contract. it was half a $1000000.00 or just under that and was just assume that one of the large, big american companies when, when it, when it didn't work out that way, i pendleton spies to hit the headlines as again,

during the ons to africa affair involving these old company, sand lines, but general spies the now is developed as thriving business in private security. and he recently won that multi 1000000 pound contract. well tim spices with me now . tim. good morning. what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lauren order? i wouldn't advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection all sand me to contract in iraq to see communication and coordination for all the private security companies on the graph. the make that they were a general in charge of all the private contracts at that point, the us military was the largest military presence in iraq just to get all of the

private ministry contracts fighting respectively in charge of psychological unfortunately me spicer is a fairly well known figure in british political and media circles me but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a logistics contracting cell in virginia, not in iraq by a group of essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry, no knowledge of the different layers and referred to him as a british guy. me in the

in the world of private security contracted when they heard that this company called aegis when this contract and that the people that were working for him were so the africans and not american there was, there was furious when you're applying for these contracts, your bid will include you and your business is personal history. it doesn't say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost cost a foreign ministers job be just prisons in iraq was relatively spend the free of one video which was posted on youtube from the contract who is following that gong while playing rock music,

the, i know legal actions will take what do your weapons in this battle in iraq? for me it's, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. the very rapidly just became a huge company. and it made to spice me healthy majority of americans. now i think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq, really in the iraq for the president still before the enter, the mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over one of the u. s. as in iraq, in the 1st place,

public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home. in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money to be pulled out of the rocky field operations and the industry had to go to a very complicated reset. the company had to realize that they weren't going to get that level of money. again, i said they had to offer different packaging deals. that meant they would have to hire cheaper soldiers.

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i i all work undertaken by ages is carried out to the highest standards of professional competence and integrity. our track record is extensive and our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting the mission and at hand with outstanding performance. when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time? and i'm playing off memory cells,

but i'm pretty good at that. it was about $1000.00 to $1200.00. and then, oh, i don't know, 6 months a year ago, it became a garden guards at about $800.00 a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. rushed to the bottom, that's what some call it y y o gone. it's now vs provings in columbia. and so we don't have a chance to get the award unless we use a gardens because there are $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on this most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st i've heard of, well, well we've got a good strategy. we're using sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms? $250.00 a month. you know, i guess rhetorically. i don't expect an answer. can we go a little lower? can we find someone that's like we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be afraid, security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i say that it sounds facetious,

but it's real. know you get what you pay for. ah, i i the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. s. meeting system requires that you pick the lowest bidder. so the became the status quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners in iraqi people for where they came from and who they fought for. so some of that would be with the colombian marines, and it's a to be with range in the you, again, as you know, came out of the, again,

an army of the challenges that i was with the vin. i spent a month in black water from pinochet's, private guard in some of these countries and known for extremely brutal wars, whether it's columbia severally own. and there's not a lot of discussion about where your left so long as you are in the army and you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. if you can, mass has specification and your cost is lower than you in the job. ah ah, the ah

. the drug started as a way to come back. a great problem. what's the one? it's part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and it got to be something that you could get elected. this time, the fight against drugs took a check. he told us that andrew was competent short form. this is way too dangerous for him to be doing. clearly they put him in harm's way. a rural college student does interest get shot in the head and found in

a river like that. something else had to be happening with the back guys. finance or the rival guy. when customers go buy, you reduce the price. now well, reduce a lower that's under cutting, but what's good for food market is good for the global economy. ah me, so you cut your cost, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want, but you also majorly dilute the professionalism and the effectiveness of those. so

the company has felt the interest different than national interest. companies are problem. that is what they do natural, except here, we're not creating toys. are producing things that result in war. the what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american, having to trade company in that canister? who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know international law such that is doesn't really have a category for arm civilians. the so somebody government's including the british and the government decided to start

creating international norms and standards of how these probably most me should behave. ready kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community a group of companies and in jose and states got together. and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so companies would sign up to this code promising they would not violate it, they would not commit human rights atrocities or not commit war crimes, etc. so you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations and oh, by the way, the private military themselves got around the table in switzerland and they agreed

about good norms to aim for. ready terry, to contact you not work, the idea that a company would voluntarily confess crimes. it's committed abroad. just why would they do that? the reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of document to and about 15 countries, i've been involved in programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries have pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of

violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life . ah, now i was in a few hours, it was my drug professional drug is his weapon. ah, at one time when the kids came into account a kill a lot of pollution pharmacies and couple of looking now we had to exclusion is taking place. i think about learning when people are down on the street,

exposure and sticking all over the city and anytime had gone to short had a bomb or what a explosion. i think about my going to what happens, you know, before me the the went into the 1st team for iraqi. they're more strict and intended for us. yeah, sure. remember, so this is what happened in the

people running into gum fighting for what that or like to watch rather than try to for the on you know, it's not a good one because the one you just wish i don't haven't had to make up with and they seem like an actor for well as not young people unfairly on have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds of violence wherever they go, well we always remember wanting, i'm the my stuff, my wife. so when i, when i have a wife one,

i should continue with them. it's a weapon because i'm full on tunnel. which mean i can do anything with the former child soldiers been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. the i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset. it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote,

professional job. ah, you know, i spend my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. and it pains me to see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies. you know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exporting people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. me as a close connection between this, this industry and policy makers,

me private military firm, this really poach, retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have connections. in my case to recognize enemy, i formerly haven't mastered mind. aah! [000:00:00;00] me . i say that it shows it's real know you get what you pay for

me. ah. the church street will continue to act for government. and you're going to see the private company between engaging in warfare me companies that are registering our country data companies to proven on our money. and these companies listed allows me fundamentally, if you're new democracy and your government take selection that you don't agree with, you can vote that government town company or from your country is doing something.

you just agree with the people carol, lot one or did soldier or deb marine shows up in this country. we start to ask yourself, why did they die? why do what were they fighting for? nobody bother stamps by the contractors. oh, the who cares? i mean, there is nobody going to die and come home in a body bag,

denver over or whatever. ah, every american who serves, joins an unbroken line of heroes. am awed by their sacrifice. ah, win and get them in the bush. i'm not doing what time are coming to them. you're committing behind or who did he got it on the what the me regarding ah ah no one is in the streets the contractors kills. ah, ah, tutor still exercises its foreign policy. the use of force and violence in these 4 regions. it is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals,

and in obscuring their role. oh, i, you think that you can get somebody from here. we can fit, it's really your money. it's your tax money doing it. but making sure the politicians are in trouble, ah, military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah, as part of ending a war responsibly his standing by those who for

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in on ah, ah september the 11th 2001 day that reshaped the modern world. i remember watching the world trade center burn on a tv at to ca, and i was standing there like this just looking at it and a colleague of mine was standing next to me and he said, my god, do they have any idea what they've done? we're going to kill everybody. now everybody live tv images, promote the us into declaring it's war on terror. they've begun to bomb african villages and holders and get people hurt and,

and killed the main goal of destroying terrorism and then was it achieved? yes and no. okay, to essentially no longer exists good for us, but there are certainly other terrorist groups that are worst that are ahead of the anniversary. b of $911.00 are t's, been looking at the lasting impact of the us led war on terror. today we'll be hearing from a british army veteran about the devastating toll of the 20 year afghan conflict graph. to many people, the situation which we just gave up and also had the taliban unveils it's new government for afghan. and stan including a terrorist on the f. b i's most wanted list,