the in the coded, you're living like the female of old, but in the 21st century, i have to delays and sanctions. russia finally completes construction of the controversial nord stream to pipeline. and it set to deliver low cost natural gas from siberia to central europe. after $911.00 they did not. that have been if you are not the america you deserve not, i not these fascism. on the weekend of 91120th anniversary are key looks at the lasting impact of the us led war on terror. we hear from a former guantanamo prisoner, released after 14 years of unlawful detention. and moscow says it has on it has irrefutable proof that big tech helped washington illegally

interfere in russia's upcoming elections. moscow, some of the u. s. envoy for an explanation. that's all for this. our stay tuned for more in just about 60 minutes the the, the, the the, and this week show where were you 20 years ago when our lives were for ever changed . and how did $911.00 and what's happened since make us more vulnerable to the super human threat cove? it poses, i'm holland cook in washington. this is a big picture on our t america. ah . john adams, our 2nd president,

reckoned that facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations or the dictates of our passions. they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. and that was over 200 years before social media, which now smothers us and conspiracy theories who really killed j. f. k. with a moon landing fate. are pandemic protocols. big brothers way of seizing control the my pillow buffoon has what he calls absolute proof that donald trump was re elected even after that. the august 13 reinstatement fizzled. and now as we recall so painfully what we, i witnessed, 20 september 11th ago deniers persist. why is that less as jamie back tire of facial recognise from his 20 years on cnn, where he was senior pentagon correspondent and a familiar voice to

n p r listeners and washington area listeners old enough to remember when he and i worked at w t o p here in the eighty's, he's now a senior writer for the washington examiner covering defense and national security . welcome. thanks. but it's good to be here. 911. where were you? what happened there? what didn't happen there? and how did these spirit see theorists distort you're reporting? i'm in my office working on the story about the attacks in new york, and i start to get these urgent messages from our internal cnn messaging system. jamie, are you ok? are you all right? is everything, all right, i'm thinking why, why are they messaging me? this is happening in new york, and i look up on c n n. and i see that my producer who's just arrived at the pentagon behind me is reporting that an aircraft has hit the side of the pentagon, and that's how i found out that the plane hit the building. the building is so big that i didn't feel it. i didn't feel the impact and then i went out to the scene

and began reporting and that sort of how my day unfolded. but in many ways, that was the day that introduced me to sort of the what we call the post truth age . and as you mentioned, we boys had conspiracy theories of been around forever. and part of the reason that people believe conspiracy theories is their actual conspiracies. but this was my introduction in the days before you 2 days before twitter, the days before facebook into the how the internet could take some something innocuous and spin it into something very nefarious. to describe how it happened. well, we have a clinic in distortion by deliberate omission. i'm going to show the whole clip only several words of which deniers took out of context. to give you the impression that jamie was reporting the opposite of his description of an aircraft so exploded that only small pieces of the fuselage are recognizable and so on. target that it

hit the pentagon like a balls. i have a look and you be the judge. from my close up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crash anywhere near the pentagon. the only site is the actual side of the building, this crashing and as i said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you could pick up in your hand. there are no large tail sectioned wing sections, a fuselage. nothing like that, anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the pentagon and then caused the side to collapse. now, even though if you look at the pictures of the pentagon, you see that the floors of all collapse that didn't happen immediately. it wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weak and enough that all of the floors collapse. we know that american airlines flight 77 took off from dallas airport. there are radar tracks of them. and there were phone calls, the loved ones from the plane and the crash site. there were debris. you could see

and touch. there were human remains there and i'm going to show a picture that jamie snapped of shirts of fuselage of a boeing $757.00 that day at the pentagon. and it's the fragments you described as a cockpit wind shield and window from the plain were not from american flight 77. that flight would land at somewhere else. jamie, they took just several words out of context then. and it seemed to have taken wings on the internet if you google you and this whole page comes up. and yet years later, the deniers are still the again. okay, so here's the thing. so the faithful words i issued is, i can tell you from my close up inspection, there is no sign. a plane crashed anywhere near the pentagon, and i was an answer to a question from our anchor at the time judy woodruff. now on the p b. s. news hour and judy said to me, jamie, what about these reports that, that,

that the plane crash short of the pentagon nearby. and then i said, no, there's no evidence that any plane crash nearby. the only crash side is the one behind me and i start talking about again. so these words, no evidence, a plane crash anywhere near the pentagon were taken out of context, showed up in the sort of internet. documentaries, one was called loose change and repaired with other things that were taken of the context. give the idea that here's a c n n correspondent on the scene saying there's no evidence of, of a plane it. and then a pair that with an interview i did with a television reporter who was actually on the road next to the pentagon, when the plane hit and saw american airlines hit the building, i didn't see it. i was inside and in which he described how the playing was very low, and he could see the markings on the plane and it was very strange and it went right into the side, the building. and then he said it looked like a cruise missile going into the side of the building. so they took my words, no evidence of a plane crash compared it with that looked like

a cruise missile. and next thing, you know, if i didn't know anything about it, i be wondering myself, but here's the amazing thing about it. i mean, obviously these were taken out of context. and obviously we as you point out, we know, playing at the building and the fact that the, that people believe this, i engaged over the years many times with the so called 911 truth there's and often i would explain the context of how this happened and what i was saying and how it was taken out of context. and the amazing thing about it was in the more than 20 years now that the 911 conspiracy theories have been raging in all the time i, i've engage with perhaps hundreds of people and written about it many times. i never changed a single person's mind. wow. not one person said, oh oh, now that you've explained it. now i understand it, which is taken out of context. no, no, no. i recently heard a talk radio host in dallas asking unfastened aided callers. why haven't you had

the job and their responses did not disappoint, totally validating the caricature. and you have written that these 911 deniers you have debriefed are not necessarily the crazies of why do smart people believe your logical things? well, that's the point i was going to, i've been gauge with these folks. i had debates with them in a lot of them are very intelligent. they get explained to me the flight dynamics of a 757 and why they believed it was impossible for the plane to fly that way. and in very complicated, complex theories they, they're smart. they legitimately believe that they that they have a you know, a point to make. but once they get weighted to their belief, it is it, the ability of facts and reason to dissuade people from a firmly held belief is, is not very good. we are speaking with former cnn pentagon senior correspondent, jamie mcintyre, now senior writer for the washington examiner,

as this september 11 approaches, his master's thesis became my beach book. it's a hell of a read elements of disbelief, a case study of $911.00 truth hers and the persistence of misinformation and the digital age. you can find it at the address at the bottom of your screen. and if you're hearing this is a podcast the address is elements of disbelief dot blogspot dot com. the very terms podcast and blog suggests that the genie is out of the bottle. you've called the internet, a force multiplier, or giving some nonsensical beliefs, virtual eternal life. a clearly repetition is fundamental and seeing is believing. died when i saw forrest gump shake, hands with president candidate can truth still cut through the clutter, the noise, and the fake news. you know, the old joke about, you know, how many therapist does it take to change

a lightbulb one. but the light bulbs are really want to change. yeah. the only way that you can provide corrective information and get somebody to believe something that is true or, or not, believe something that's not true is if they have a open mind and they want to reexamine their beliefs. and you know, we're, we're all human beings for also to so many cognitive biases. confirmation bias is the mother of all biases, right? we that we believe things that confirm what we actually believe or we choose to believe, but there are many, many other biases. another one that's very common is correlation is not causation. so when people, for instance, are worried about vaccines. if they, if they know someone had a vac seen and then something, you know, they have had some other complications. they're likely to link it to the vaccine. even though there's no evidence of coral, they may be correlation, but not causation. but there are many, many of our biases. the fact is, as human beings, we're not wired to really think very critically, we have

a very emotional attachment to our beliefs. so the ability of get a packs of reasons to change people's minds. jamie mcintyre, thank you for stepping into the big picture. my pleasure, appreciate your time. right now we are coping with 3 simultaneous events, each of which could be the story of our lifetime. and that's of nothing worse happens. some of the most interesting people i know size up these last 2 very different years after this quick break. this is the big picture on our t america. ah ah for many of us the end of the american war enough, dennis, that was inevitable. in the end, the conflict was more about

a massive grip than about nation building and smart, strategic thinking. jo bible says the us is done with we making foreign countries through the use of force. there is no reason to take the american president at his word financial advisor guide. i don't buy a guy, i'm a teachers almost friday at the last time i buy it from the future. so cracker, watch, guys are replacing me the civic leg around the world. expedition 5000 miles round the clock and give it to the dead. calm miss wilson. every country close by

like the crew cabins for food and water for grove of shirt and 2 chairs. those also looked on the most blooming little thing. it's got everybody locked down or almost no food. no. what about that? only? i'm not sure somebody either stuck in the cove it you're living like the female of own, but in the 21st century. ah ah ah

ah ah ah ah ah o. 911 notwithstanding. we also have a happy anniversary. mine for years that are t america to day in the blink of an eye. this is my big picture show number 200 and as we did 100 shows ago, we are going to mark that 911 anniversary that was 20 years ago and constitutional attorney author and rutherford institute founder john whitehead, says, the noble sounding patriot act back then let the genie out of the bottle,

where the 911 and the paper that which allow the f, b i and the government to go into people's homes while they weren't there and download all the information on their laptops, their computers listening and all the telephone calls everything we're doing today, they say listening up to 100000000 phone calls a year and recording them. now the post office is now was photographic. all of our mail even opening sounded to see what we're doing. we better to state where the constitutions become just basically a paper rag to the government. if you say the wrong word today, you do the wrong picture on facebook, facebook, google, all these groups, amazon has $1000000000.00 contracts for the government. they created all the intelligence clouds for the government, sure of a corporate state has come together now and they're watching everything we're doing . you know, it's going to be a problem. one is called the patriot act and who wants to vote against it? this was one of the worst days in our history. throw this in with the alien and sedition act to, i mean, you name it to the, the,

the fugitive slave act. it sounds terrific, but america has been in the freedom spiral since that day. why? because we were kind into thinking that after 911, we could legislate our way to freedom and prosperity and to safety. and it was a lot. and 20 years later, we are under attack again this time from nature of virus and some say our privacy is under attack again to it's unfortunate that in this country we're not respecting individuals, rights to privacy, would have been much easier for me to just say yeah, i got a shot or no, i don't, i don't want to get a shot. but the real issue out there is people are being pressured to disclose their private medical decisions. and that is completely inappropriate. 3 times and just these last 2 years, we have hopefully witness the story of our lifetime. and i say, hopefully, meaning that nothing worse will happen. story of a lifetime. number one,

the pandemic that still seems closer to the beginning than the end. if it ever does, and we asked vanderbilt university doctor william shatner if cove id like the flu is here for keeps a perennial jab, it's part of our life. influenza is endemic, even though it's seasonal. it's, it leaves with us this virus. it becomes more active in the late fall and through the winter, then a bates during the spring and the summer, but it comes back. so it's just part of the life we live. you know, we do live in a very, very jeremy world. so that's what that means. the question regarding cove it is, is this now a virus that we're going to have to live with? henceforth? at the moment, it looks that way. whatever difficulties we thought we had in 2019 now seem trivial

. what was normal then seemed quite when suddenly life shut down. unless you are among the army of delivery people, bringing us everything we used to go get the hash tag was stay home, virtual became normal. remember your commute home offices, boy that is going to be the biggest ship when the pest demick it. employers were faced with the realization that you don't need a physical office to go to and have a successful business. so consumers that means that we from home has become a living at work only this past month we achieved the vaccination goal. president biden was hoping for by july for the could have been independent. stay from the virus. lessons learned deniers invited this variant and it is a bugger. the economic heard continues and like life generally any quality as conspicuous women are clustered in the industries that were hit, the mouse, you know, the lower skill service jobs,

waitresses working in hotels. and we all know that those industries were hit the hardest, so women were put out of work in greater numbers. but 3 ality is as you say, you know, women are more likely to be the caretakers. so lack of affordable child care. it's women, the hardest, the fact that schools are closed in many still remain close hits. women harder their teachers, their nurses, you know, you're doing these, these job that have, have taken everything from them in the past. 15 months in anyone who is home alone right now is probably breathing into a paper bag. you know, i think we're, we're very far from out of the woods. and we're very far from having a bunch of women with a lot of time on their hands that are filling it, you know, with manicures and garden parties, just the story of our lifetime. number 2, just months ago,

we witnessed the attempted assassination of the vice president of the united states and a failed qu, that would have denied the results of the elections that keep us a free people. and right now the f. b, i is attempting to, as director christopher re puts it separate the wheat from the chaff of online chatter about new threats. and you can help at f b i dot gov. you can scroll videos and photos of those added for the january 6 riots at the u. s. capital. there have been over 500 arrests so far. and the f. b i is asking for your help to round up more. who could pose new threats. story of our lifetime. number 3, climate change no longer debatable. the planet is warming faster than any time in 2000 years. wildfires savage western states during hurricane season, the number of named storms exhausts the alphabet. if you are visiting the monuments

here on washington, watch your step as pats around the title based on the flags stately memorials to thomas jefferson, f d r. martin luther king junior, could be muddy or under water. and what's happening has become a threat to our national security. we've characterized climate change as a threat multiplier for instability in fragile regions of the world. and now we see that even a new ocean in the arctic has opened up with geo political competition. potentially on the rise as access to resources and shipping lanes. a new trade route become more and more accessible in a new region of the world. and then we see extreme weather hitting all around the world, including our military bases right here at home, that have suffered devastating consequences just in the last few years, costing billions of dollars now of the american taxpayer money to repair in alaska

. we see now permafrost is sinking infrastructure there collapsing infrastructure, including the some of the new infrastructure we're building in order to be able to defend against missile threat from russia, china, or north korea. if you feel at wits end, you're making a mistake to feel singled out. you are not alone. we are living at a time and i hear about it all day in my office as a therapist. we're people are really frightened. it's it's, it's a term used far too often, but there is an existential tara right now about whether we will survive. but for all our challenges, there's still lots to cheer about that sound confirmed the you didn't need to be. and nasa's jet propulsion, laboratory and pasadena to join us standing oh and perseverance landed on mars last week. whereupon perseverance tweeted,

i'm safe on mars perseverance. we'll get you anywhere. and not only do we see mars, we can hear it in a word was the sound like, i mean, i guess i say breezy. if you listen to these, all you hear is a very few seconds of a soft wind blowing in the background. turn off your volume because the martian atmosphere is so thin that what you're about to hear will be faint. but listen to the wind. me. that had to be the selfie of the week. it's the shadow of and shot from the ingenuity drone helicopter on the surface of mars. and here is actual video, not a nasa. animation of ingenuity is take off and landing this 1st flight was 3 meters,

about 10 feet up and down and lasted 30 seconds. ultimate, our data set it for form this 1st 1st slide number planners and technology is seemingly changing everything here on planet earth as we reported from the consumer electronic show. if you thought that k cups made coffee convenient, get a load, a drink works, tell us how it works. the drink works home barbara, here it gives me a drink works. this is a joint venture between anti carrie and our 1st applies. the drink work, home bar actually makes cocktail beer, wine and more available at the touch of a button. technology has changed what we do, how the media tell you what's happening? does it really make sense to have barrels of anc slabs of paper going through machines that have to be that has to be sorted that has to get put on trucks that

has to be driven around and dropped off. and when we say the media, we mean you to all of us are now enabled to tell all the rest of us what's happening for better or for worse. it's both a blessing and a curse. i think it gives people an opportunity to communicate directly and widely and instantly, but it also can stir up a lot of mischief and, and offer information that isn't true. i worry about the shutdowns we've seen though recently. one of the hallmarks of our democracy is the 1st amendment, the right to speak, right? to have our ideas heard and challenged and debated. and, and i think these companies need to be very careful about shutting down. anyone who uses their, their platforms. there's no saying the best antidote to free speech you don't like is more free speech, not trying to block it. and i think we have a real problem right now, or it's not even just about social media. it's about,

you know, all of the, the media and traditional broadcast as well, that people are misinformed about corona virus. this is theory of this is not going away anytime soon. the very 1st show we broadcast from rtp new los angeles studio. we asked our dear, departed colleague, larry king, about all the noise that now passes for news. do you think that we will ever have meaningful dialogue? again, i hope that the intense coverage of events comes back. i hope we get news other than politics on the news case. i hope we get good discussions. i hope we get more one on one. and that is the big picture. thanks for watching it for the last 4 years. the last 200 shows. let's do another couple of 100, huh. we're going to be back. same time next week. if you're watching real time, you can watch on direct tv channel 321, or the dish dish, or 280, or set your

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ah ah, ah. the september, the 11th 2001 day that reshaped the modern world. i remember watching the world trade center burn on a tv at the cia, and i was standing there like this just looking at it. and a colleague of mine was standing next to me and he said, my god,

did they have any idea what they've done? we're going to kill everybody. now. everybody, the, the live tv image is promote the us into declaring its war on terror. they've begun to bomb up, can villages on holders and get people hurt and, and killed the main goal of destroying terrorism and then was it achieved yes and no. okay. to essentially no longer exists good for us. but there are certainly other terrorist groups that are worse than on the.