to count by a former marine corps, intelligence operatives, and 2 decades of lessons not learned. find it all at r, t dot com k here in moscow for now this saturday evening, the 11th of september. thanks for choosing opt. see this weekend, i'm calling break. back with your next update in half an hour. ah, ah, the ah. mansion returns here we're going underground for $911.00 special coming up in the show on the 20th anniversary of atrocities in new york in washington d. c,

which catalyzed mass aerial bombing of afghanistan. we talked to the taliban about victory against the nato occupation. and what about the 911, the so called land in the free, arguably forgot? pink floyd frontman, roger waters tells us why the u. s. a isn't morning on the 48 anniversary of the chilean coup, it's back which created penetrates brutal chicago style saturating can only experiments. it would be forced on nations all around the world. more coming up in today's going underground at 1st. it's been 20 years in new york in washington came under attack in nature, nations, most fatal terror atrocity is of course led to 20 years of violent u. s. u. k. occupation of afghanistan. but nature defeat has what the taliban back in control. joining me now from don cutter is the taliban spokesperson. so hale shane sale. thank you so much for coming back on. so it's widely reported that the taliban may have been selected september. the 11th for the new leadership to take the oath of office significance for 911 as the as the day of the

o. so just go incident. i cord, sir, but i do not have your teeth. becker me. i feel we are no none of that time i was there when i was here and i'm wondering if we wonder we are part of our population now to to find out her grades. so not even our pastor, surely a story. but there are we harder as it is our top 9 in the 100000. all of them may work. all those up one. so i don't know how did not know yet new york situated and what my anyone

was yeah, we've covered on this program. not one afghan was involved in the hijacking of those aeroplanes 20 years ago. but i did notice your colleague level you had the merger he'd, he said to n b. c. no proof that been loudon was involved in 911. is that the taliban view? i mean they have that it's up to you goes well why was better after them not to ask for? are they saying we are a wall so that means they are as calmer from santander to us. no, i want, it was not,

i got to have any data. it was not then and it is not right now, new afghan involved, but we know that been loudon was involved. i worked for al jazeera arabic, a show produced funded by cuts are where you're speaking to me from. and college shake mama was discovered by the program. i was working for working for a summer, been logged in to make the 911 attacks. in fact, he was, is trial began on tuesday again at guantanamo bay. it is the view, surely that a some of in london was responsible for the $911.00 attacks emperor. he said that i am in wrong. i do not know about that. but yeah, raleigh, does that mean that he will be more if he and canada you so are we

here or not know about that or are you a we were as it is your call on my new one while i'm on was yes, but i mean is it difficult for you to admit, been loudon was involved because the founder of the taliban, molo mom, said i don't want to go down in history as someone who betrayed a guest. we have given him a summer, been learned and refuge. i cannot throw him out when the americans, of course, asked for a summer, been lucky to be sent to the americans for questioning bert, he was telling our leadership i nothing was now. obviously, what followed 911 was torture in guantanamo bay by us authorities, rendition flights. we have julian, a son journalist, in jail,

in london here for blowing the whistle on nato war crimes. but you know that the all around the world, there are pictures now of the to report is from at last was never to knock the ducky. be beaten by taliban authorities. taller news is why he'd mindy was at his camera confiscated what is happening to journalism in afghanistan? is it illegal? know about there are no problem there with their new reporting, of course, or should have permission from the interior and i wish to and they want to gather at him and also the issue. they want her to express your come about not their that are in the past

for or for the future. for me that probably be the station and we were using the land. we're going to be the actual green who drew your closer we were trying to enter the policy while he had to report that there are some ice share members. station new monster wanted to kind of venture upon here our speak. and that's why our, our work compared to stop me and maybe a little bit harsh them back to me. what are the, what to expect to read on the street?

yeah, i mean i, i have been stopped as a journalist here in london covering demonstrations. ne apartment, and as i told you, julian assigns tortured according to the un here in london. but you saw the pictures of those 2 journalists and the material and the impact the very i'll be, i mean, they were beaten really badly flogged. that's. that's not on. surely, we will not care plan because our generalist on, because they finally got from the most ancient and not policy that they can back her back. when, what's your question back to some more you know, we want to kind of our summer forwarding no more facial granger polish out for the summer to year. so that was the main reason. i'll come back and read you off on

bird matches. now my taking the right to criticize the bottom portion about ok, i mean the women's demonstrating say they want isis and they would just have demonstrating for normal rights. meanwhile, apparently the taliban is saying the u. s. a is violating the do agreement after these new appointees to the government have been made. does. does the taliban consider the f, b i a terrorist group? the f b i right now has a $5000000.00 bounty on serenity. and connie is the f b. i a terrorist group or she will be happy with the

negatives. and the next is good news. you like clearly, commissioners that are all our leaders from the prize winners and also from tension. so they have, we have commitment and obligation to remove this matter. they have not heard that there so far they have not. i think it is a why issue. now, of course the biggest challenge will be the economy, that alone, all the human rights concerns that might, might help the economy. what are you going to do about all the money stolen frozen by the united states in the new york banks?

and is that related to you talking to russia, talking to china, interested in built in road. we have inter creek risk we weren't or where to? well, i will states on our paper we want are creating jobs, opportunities for our career to we want to eradicate the power key for our people. but they've taken your money. so what are you going to do about getting your money back? yeah, yeah, that is why i'm say we want to kind of sort of run renewed money for the expansion indications, infinity. and i've got a concert we can always, peterson, you want this man who we are using this money. we need your money part of the people. so i don't know the rational reason that they have approved is as many why the people of armstrong need that money. yours is as oppression. part of your

political. what do i think there is that is there are 2, i mention to one right now you mentioned isis earlier. of course, britain and the united states were connected, arguably to isis in syria when they tried to overthrow outside of syria. will the taliban talk to us about fighting isis? that is been accused of being linked to britain in the united states against the outside government in damascus. will you have this capability to fight it? stopped or fighting against that? because now it is and it's loudly brought to me, they have no justification nor to continue. fighter honor and talk, i give me just finally i have to ask what you like now talking for the

taliban government. i know that boris johnson here in london, said, britain, western forces should be proud of the legacy in afghanistan. what's it like to be the spokesperson of the new afghan government? how one should be proud or all for the region of other countries. every one say that other countries will we will say we are proud it is not correctional. we are proud of what we have done because what we did it last part of the liberation up or county or ending approbation. michigan that, that he ever cried. so this has a rational not there that are other countries help people,

other color really do and destroy hundreds of thousands of hundreds of pounds and people and we are proud of this. so i think they're ridiculous. i asked him thank you. thank you. after the break, we speak to pink floyd front man roger waters about the death of again the and the arguably forgotten. 911, chilly still tries to recover from 48 years after september. the 11th all the more coming up in part 2, i'm going underground. ah, the least service claim. i a whole set of different rules. it's going to force us in your words to get mean 30 and nasty in order to take them. i will use all tools

at our disposal to do so. my name is same on our committee and i'm the head with family members can, can on and stuff and killed our children and we will never forgive them to leave this place a bit. am i what the states was doing in atlanta? and they were bringing people to this torture sight guns bordering and abusing them outside of the law, and then allowing some of them to go back home. and they will tell people what the americans did. we not look at it, it was a pointless exercise. welcome back. as well as the 21911 today marks and other arguably forgotten anniversary in the united states. 48 years since the ca, back chilean coup that overthrew salvatore a end and replaced it with british back to finish a death squads. joining me now from new york city is

a pink floyd front man roger waters. who's making a new film on victor. hara gillian, singer songwriter, an activist who has tortured and killed during the chicago school economic experiments that spread neoliberalism all around the world. raja thanks so much for coming back we'll get to victor guerara and the other 911 in a moment. again, i know you're in new york, but you weren't there for the atrocities because you are, you are actually here in britain, but 20 is on. what does it mean to you? 911. and the aftermath was huge. may stop at unity really. all right, i was actually working in some recording studios. i was, i was making some demos in london on that fateful day. and i managed to make a connection with my wife in new york, and we had a long phone conversation as we sat watching tv sets on upsized, the atlantic and like everybody else. i was completely cups my and shocked and, and, but in my infinite naive it, she,

i invented just scenario in my head where the american people would take this is a wakeup call and a fact that they needed to look at themselves and try and figure out what this was about and why that happened and, and i really, honestly for, for a number of hours, nathan, a number of days, believes that that might happen. and of course it didn't, they went charging down this retribution part of retribution and invaded afghanistan. and so, and started the global war on terror, that has to almost destroy the world. i would say the global war on terror. not the attacks on new york and 911 disastrous as they were. so obviously they were exponentially has the global war on terror empowered extremism

on all levels from all factions? not just j hodges, you know, from the middle east and elsewhere. but all of us have been encouraged to spend more and more about energy on destroying each other. and the world rather than using our energy to solve the problems, the faces will. so it is time for grave reflection. 20 years later i was 587 today. no. yeah. oh, you can go on to it with no. but in terms of those, the enlightening the unlikely event that you sought after the attacks in fantasy of the working class in the united states. and they did a lot of vaux books interviewing people on the streets they were doing. but why would anyone hate the united states? how could anyone hate the united states? and it was the surprising shock on the faces of ordinary americans that perhaps lingers in the mind because so much of the secret state is hidden from everyday

life in the united states. while it was explained to them almost immediately afterwards, i've been large and among others saying, well it, it's you and kind of slavish reports of the state of israel and its treatment of the palestinian people was one extremely important thing. but the other thing was to slavish support the states of saudi arabia, which was done in exchange for rights to usual, the oil that was under the desert. and there was, it was arranged and made as i understand it by f d. all in his last days with whoever was the king of saudi arabia, then king abdul aziz. but of course that remains today and is increased. yeah, let me say completely is ram and saudi arabia. yes. and,

and both of those areas of support going entirely against everything that america claims for itself as shining. city on the l. i claims to believe in human rights and democracy needs for which things pertain either to israel or to saudi arabia in any degree. and so, so, so it, in consequence, it is, it's, it's a standout, it's a stand out example of how things go wrong. when you say, you believe one thing. but when your actions actually demonstrate exactly the opposite side, the raven israel rejected. they aren't part of this city on the hill american dream, but just explain them to us. why in the global south 911 mean something else. and why may you know peak of it? in our circle, mainstream media in nature, nations, the significance of 911973 in santiago. well last because

because that attaches to a much more fundamental issue even than the picture like meeting between f d r. whoever you said he was because september the 11th 1973 was when pino sherry and, and, and some of the military act, the presidential palace in santiago and murdered, i in day. who was the juliet that democratic elected president of junior recent history book say it was suicide, of course. well, of course they do. yeah. but i actually, i've been in the room where he died because i had a meeting with yerra, who's president again now he was president in 2012. when i performed my page,

the wall in the national stadium in santiago and she lay and father, good office is. then you k, a master. there's a lovely man called john benjamin. hey, john dunaway, you brother, i have very strong matrix of our work with a foreign office. we'll pass that. hello. well, anyway, so i went, i had a what do you call it? an audience with el presidente a, where he lied through his chief to me. and i actually went on the radio the next day and explained he did this thing. i was slightly passing on messages that i've had from student organizations saying why the military eyes militarized police out in the streets, murdering students, protesting against me,

a liberal economics in this country. and pineda said to me, i have been searching 100 casualties in the projects around the universities and 1100 of them which the leak. and i saw s may wow, look at that's how they do. they do it with a smile and it's obviously nonsense. you know, because they were quite a number of young people killed back in the day in, into thousands. well, as they have been recently, they shoot their eyes out now in santiago and they've been printed, as, you know, they're in protest all over south america. that's one of the things that encourages people like may believes that there is just a possibility out there that we may might be heading for a future. well, we might be able to act collectively. we invite him bass will know that london will deny any human rights abuses. but yeah,

you mentioned that chicago sally comics was satcher of course friendly with finish when he was pending extradition here in britain. within some people won't even realize how the way their economies work, how societies work was based on this little experiment. they did all be at that. they kept the copper national life and and privatize the rest. yeah. one why they didn't private choice to cope, and that's always, that's always been a question mark that has stood out. but nevertheless, they used, you know, all the water in chill, a local people, she lay on people, farmers land, people who worked on the land use to use to grow crops that by 8 and that sustained the nation. not all of it, but a lot of it is now used to grow avocado perez, so that we can sit in front of the super bowl rates and walk a mile away. and it's, and, and why near liberal economics of the state,

because you can make money out of there. it's a short thing because the water does not last and who's water, is it anyway this, the question of the ownership of water is so fundamental to all conversations that we have. you know, i've been working a little bit more on my standing rock project, is that there's a movie that i'm involved in, called the sacred in the snake. water protects is the indigenous peoples of this globe who, who are forming themselves into what protection units acting on behalf of the rest of us who don't get it. we turn on a chat. and unless we live in flint, michigan, so we're fake lea usable water comes out. well, they're very privatized here. i should add by just wanted to quickly get onto victor. victor herrera, of course. because i mean, though,

i end of course died in the too great here. all the social democrat, really. and we have pebble and the router talking about water, who was victor herrera? to hi was a young teacher who, who was also a singer songwriter who became politically motivated during those years leading up to the election of i n days. the president of chilly and the institution of a new socialist framework in that country. and to became extremely popular, he wrote a sort of theme song by n days campaign. it was picked up and became extremely popular on the street. and of course, he, when the crew started to happen, he went to the university to be with his colleagues and whatever. and he was arrested and he was kept there and he was tortured and they,

and he was killed on the 16th of september. so 5 day, 5 days after the code they murdered victor, harder and so along with many others, she has become a great national, quite right to the a great national hero. recently in the troubles in san diego, i covered one of his most famous songs with which should day pass. yeah. saying we everyone has a right at the right show. dave reveal on pass to live in page and great lyric and how right he is and how much was still need to hold on to the idea that we, the people actually have a right to live in this endless wall. which is what the war on terror is that came

from the other 911 is not working for any of us except with the possible exception. obviously, of people invested in the military industrial complex for making billions and billions and billions of trillions adult. it's a way of axing ordinary people because the money go the money taken from the taxes of ordinary working people, goes a lot of it goes to the pentagon and then it's david out amongst all the people who invest in defense. they protect them by spreading them out into 52 states or how many states there are now. so every stage in the union has got a little bit of the war and industry. and in consequence, most of their representatives in congress, in the senate and the house representatives come under pressure from their let's repair to the arms industry, not to cut military spending or not to cut the budgets and, and in consequence,

huge proportion of the tax revenue united states government goes into perpetual war. roger waters, thank you. and that's for the $911.00 show will be back on monday. when we go to the arabian museum, i'm going to meet the new investor motion bar event about afghan. this done what it's like to be someone by the british foreign office and the bias in nature, nation, media, angel, then, can we justify all that social media and tell us which 911, you think was more devastating? ah ah, ah

ah, i lose me. the headlining this hour reports of injuries and frances more rallies against kobe restrictions turn violent with the use of tear gas pepper spray and stung grenades . give head month, said 25 days. all this is america's legacy. their store, the sabotaged equipment in the country, brought to bruin at steel control of the taliban. exactly 20

years after 911. the.