the me, so this is the handmade calendar that i made when i was in guantanamo. i thought that perhaps if i counted the days that it will be easier. but when the days turn into weeks and months, and then 2 years, i realized that it was just futile. when i received such letters from my children who are very young at the time, it's actually made it worse to look at the calendar and start to count down the days my children were growing up without me. and every day, without them, with a stab in the heart. and they would come sporadically, they had to be vetted uncensored by the u. s. censorship. my daughter who was 6 at the time, wrote a poem, 12345. once i caught the fish alive, and they redacted that because they said that has numbers in a numbers could mean some sort of a code. so it was that kind of nonsensical reduction disconnecting from the idea of

being a father. ironically and sadly, but also my own personal faith, my belief in god my reading, the koran. and again on expectedly, becoming friends with several of the american soldiers who would bring me little snippets of inclination sometime next week in a chocolate. sometime next week and a dvd player and show me a film, lexus, humanity that i have never forgotten to this but. and i think i left guantanamo not hating america because of those soldiers, me messages directly from some american soldiers who say that this has been a, a war that has destroyed us as individual soldiers. i've spoken to told me that

they cannot sleep at night. so i am in no doubt about the, the effects of this war, not just on the individuals, but on the nation as a whole of whom the soldiers representative me has gone to the shop and unity types were destroyed. the united states produced a senate report on torture, but not a single person was ever bought for charges for these kind. recently, i gave evidence the international criminal court for their investigations of abuses by americans. enough. they were investigating the united states, the national army, and the taliban. the only ones who responded by threatening the international criminal court will be united states of america. they said that we will sanction all members of the national court. we will arrest any members of the icpc who come

to the usa or elsewhere that want to investigate us. i think the united states of america needs to step back if it wants to help any of any assistance to the people who understand it's got in the position to negotiate those conditions. it has, it has been an aggressor. the taliban already made gestures towards russia towards china, towards iran, to pakistan with indonesia, with the united states and britain in particular. i think they're feeling very upset because this is a defeat. it's a military defeat. however, you want to look at it and not imperial hubris, as it were, will not allow them to say that we need to move forward and continue within negotiations that we began in doha, that they cannot be any more saber rattling. it's no good for the african people. it's no good. i've got in touch with britain or america, you've really got to find a way forward. okay, we've got more stories for people whose lives with changed by america as longest,

more and special series and voices on and online. here in moscow anal this saturday evening, the 11th of september, thanks for choosing r c this weekend. i'm calling bright. we the next update on the hoffman. i'm the i'm or this is the kaiser report. today marks the 20th anniversary of the $911.00 attacks. we're going to take a look at americas terror, industrial complex. stacey. right, and this is actually from the wall street journal. we're going to look at some data there about the surveillance they the terror industrial complex that has built up and the kind of positive feedback loop that has been nothing but negative for the domestic population. so the whole terror industrial complex started with the

objective that they sold to the american people who are financing this is for international terrorism. for overseas, it's not for domestic. now it's domestic, right? we're already seeing that sort of roll out of like stopping domestic terrorist stopping that maga or any deplorable sort of people here. but the headline here in the wall street journal reads the business of homeland security thrives and the 2 decades since 911 after the attacks federal policies swelled a defense sector that has reshape u. s. for valence as well as northern virginia suburbs. and then we're actually going to skip ahead to this map here of the northern virginia suburbs there just outside of d. c. and you can see the explosion on a size, the density between 212021. and you'll see that there's a lot of defense contractors, they're making

a lot of money and they're doing well. the reason why that's a bad bad news is not only is, are they scooping up so much of our tax funds, but they're living very close to our elected politicians. and when they live very close with that much money to our elected politicians and literally only takes a $5000.00 cocktail party to impress that politician and get them to give them even more millions or billions of dollars and funds for this terror industrial complex. yeah, exactly. they are the one i think about it in terms of the show and what we've been talking about for so long is that we always say that the only answer any policymaker has in washington dc with any problem is to print more money. whether it's an infrastructure problem or it's social and equitable problem theory, have the $911.00 tragedy. the answer, one of the hyper drive to print more money and we know that the ability to distribute the money is inefficient in america. we know that it goes to banks 1st,

and so they were, that's how we got all these billing our classes. that's how jeff bezos made $200000000000.00. that's out. jim cook is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. that's how eli mosque is worth a $100000000000.00. is because after $911.00, that money printer go, bird went into this hyper drive. and of course those folks you know how to game the system where they're with their buckets. you know? gimme gimme, gimme gimme gimme. and now you know, the, the problems are really quite astronomical. so, and you can kind of tie their fortunes to the tragedies and the feedback loop, the positive feedback loop that happens with not only our politicians, but also the cable news. so in the peak of cable news and the peak of political fortunes post 911, he saw a member like dick cheney and george bush all are there. favorability ratings went up. the ratings for cable news went up, and then there was a bit of a down period, and now we're turning that around. for more tara threats more,

mostly domestic now. but having to ramp up the military spend. so in the data they looked at in the decade following the terrorist attacks military spending more than doubled an absolute terms to $700000000000.00 or about 20 percent of total governments spending and 2011, the nation's military spending peaked at 19.6 percent of total federal outlays and represented about 4.6 percent of g. d, p. by 2020, it had fallen to 11 percent of total federal spending and represented 3 and a half percent of gdp. now our guest micro hudson of course, disagrees with that number that it ever peaked at 20 percent. that's because if you're only looking at the military part of the budget, not the whole apparatus of their surveillance state of the intelligence community, of the cost of the veterans administration and low cost of caring for other wounded

soldiers and stuff like that. so i think he would probably say it's, it's even higher than 20 percent of government outlays. that was the military at the peak. right. well, all that money had to come from somewhere and you say that in a societal breakdown, you see that i just saw the video philadelphia, it's become literally zombie land. and in chicago is, is there more murderers in chicago now than couple? so that's where the money comes from. they came, it just came from the hundreds of millions of people living in the states and how you calculate g d p. as we've said on the show, many times the calculations for g d, p, or inflation. the other government issued numbers is plastic, deserves or whatever purpose you want it to be. it's not forensic a spot analytical, it's not accurate in any way. right, well of course, the d o d budget is also opaque, completely. nobody can see inside it. and of course, as michael had some point that it is cost plus,

so there is no containment of their costs. it's like whatever they want to charge, they get to charge and where it's going, according to the wall street journal, is much of the money flowed to the private sector. as commercial firms bid on huge new contracts to develop the next generation of security capabilities and 2001, the defense department had $181000000000.00 and contract obligations to about $46000.00 contractors according to a center for strategic and international studies. estimate by 2011. when war and security spending growth reached its apex, the department had 375000000000 and obligations to more than a 110000 companies. right, well, it's everything is now seen through the lens of panic and fear. i think before 911, there are still some kind of you out of eve,

but let's call it there is still some america had a character to it. after $911.00. the had the death of satire. you had the death of culture for the most part and the creeping surveillance day. and that's really expensive and, and it's, it's become a fad. sad state of affairs, of course, whenever we have panic, cable news ratings for when they're soaring. then you see the raytheon, the lockheed martin this very military industrial complex start to take out more and more ads on the panic driven episodes of the matter report or of. but chris hays shows or cnn the they'll take out as against the panic signaling to the population support for war support for this the we're taking care of you. this is what i'm talking about about these feedback loops. as you have that event of 911 and 20 years later, it's still rippling through. and the ripples are getting wider and wider,

bigger and bigger, like capturing and not only more of the domestic population under this surveillance they, but victims of it. but also the, the, the swamp, as it is, you know, this is the deep state people. they're not so deep state. they're pretty out in the open. you can see them on a satellite is where they're living and they're huge amount of money they're getting from the taxpayer. but the tax there will only give that money with favorable ratings if they're scared. so if they're scared, they've got a tune into cnbc might not say, well sam, b, c, f, as a market grass or cnn, or amazon b. c, or false. have to be scared, have to want, take all my money. stop this like stop my pains thought my fear stop this. so that's what i'm saying is like these feedback loops. the fact that these guys are so close to living right, where our politicians are, who dole out these billions and billions and trillions of dollars. we don't know, speaking of the opaque black books of like, we don't know how much these,

this war entire has actually cost us. you know, we don't know. right, well, ok, so an 11 marika was tacked by fanatics. and it gave rise to a new breed of american fanatic. these are the money printing. fanatics. these are people who are on hinge who are the worship, the greenback, the, the dollar is their god. and they're, they've got their fingers on the printing press without any accountability. so they're, they're money fanatics. and that's cause the collapse of society in and soviet union like way that works burying thing now. and i don't think anyone really who, who looks at this picture with some degree of sanity will refute that. they have a quote here on the wall street journal, which is a promising at all there. is there speak to this woman who's the ceo of beacon interactive systems that used to be like a software company that provide a software solutions to people? and then her quote is 911 is what made us turn our heads to the defense marketplace

. you know, the thing about software developers and the sort of their, they turn it to the marketplace, right. and they have solutions that maybe weren't in that are still in search of a problem. so they have to create a problem like, right? so if we're wrapping up f guys and we've left afghanistan, no matter what the disaster is, you've got these people living all around. are politicians, they surround them like they're surrounding are politicians. they're going to have to pitch them. they don't want to lose their business, right? they need to pay for all their yachts, all their big homes or vacation homes. they're going to pitch them on something else in terms of how much money they've been making its federal contracting to private companies in or around the city i d. c. so roughly a 15 percent average annual increase between 212011. while the federal workforce payroll in the region grew by only 1.5 percent a year,

according to government spending data, largely as a result, washington's regional economy was the hottest in the country between 212011. some people rakes in an and this aftermath the past 20 years. and i think we have it part of what you're seeing with that whole societal breakdown you're saying like, natalie that the despair or death to despair. but also the weird hyper part is and ship and hatred, absolute hatred for you know, the other side. right. you know, it's, it's a great business to ban and more people are getting into that business. and especially when our people with lot of calls, dad are mortgage that you know, the siren song of getting into the terra business, working for american terrorists in d. c is compelling, right? so i don't see any end to this anytime soon. right. and it's also important

to note that in those 20 years you've seen just check out old footage versus now of m. s n b c of cnn and stuff that all these same defense contractors, their regular, the regular co host, essentially on these news programs. and it's not often disclose like their role in pushing that panic, pushing that fear, pushing the continuation of the pork barrel sort of money of this free money that they're getting to swap up and the fact that those same news programs then no longer examined it, they don't do investigative journalism, they don't ask questions of their good friends there. co host their co presenters on these programs. now, 1st fun. absolutely not. and things are looking to get much better anytime soon. we're going to take a break and when we come back, dr. michael hudson, don't go and now that's

a positive feedback loop. the me, ah, the me, when i go back to the kaiser report, i'm at kaiser time out of turn to dr. michael hudson pick up where we left off. of course, is classic super imperialism 1st published in 1900. $72.00 is about to come out of 3rd edition. looking forward to that. you've got another new book, michael, the destiny of civilization. what's that all about? well, basically it's about how economists work and how, what people thought was in capitalism is turned into something quite different. finance capitalism. instead of expanding like industrial capitalism,

both more and more technology and more and more capital investment, raising productivity rating wages and the positive feedback. financial capitalism is just the opposite. it's cannibal lives, industrial capitalism. and instead of creating products, people use it, creates and monopoly, right? so under the finance capitalism, the united states and europe have today learn more of america, has to be spent on goods and services. but on rent or on mortgage interest, they can absorb 43 percent of the borrower, resent them with government guaranteed 18 percent. but you will be is medical care for the medical insurance about 10 percent taken off the top or that and social security. and if i see a wage withholding,

and basically 7 percent of the american genie bait is completely fictitious financial category called homeowners imputed rent. and it's the rest, the homeowners had to rent their homes to themselves much were they charging the worst since rents went up? 20 percent last year homeowners would charge much more money to themselves for rent, even though no payment occurs. and so j d t appears to be going up. but when you take out the finance insurance and real estate sector, the buyer sector is actually gone down. so my book describes how the buyer sector is the antithesis of industrial capitalism, is everything that the classical economists of the 19th century and earlier the 20th century wanted to do away with adam smith, john stewart, male and the others. wanted to get rid of land grants and monopoly rents and

financial rent. and to them, a free market was a market. it was free of all of this unearned income and rent. but under finance capitalism. it's all about. and as you talk on your show up and then up, it's all about creating and expressing interest and capital gains and income that has nothing to do with trading goods and services for people. so i was asked to write a series of lectures to serve as a textbook for chinese, so that they wouldn't have to be sent to america, study economics and economics departments and universities. which really isn't about how economies work. it's about textbooks work and it kind of parallel universe as if everybody were getting richer, industrial capitalism instead of looking at that and the buyer sector. and what actually happened was under finance, capitalism. and the intention is to show chinese what to avoid,

how to avoid the american trap that is shrinking the american economy and loading it. so the china can prevent this. monopoly capitalism prevent finance capitalism, prevent finance, housing a price is going up and create a socialist economy. so it shows that the destiny of industrial capitalism was really social, isn't supposed to be socialism, but it ended up in finance. capitalism and the world is breaking into 2 parts. the us dollar sector, which is finance capitalist and china, russia and the dollar rising economists that are trying to focus on industrialization and raising their own living standards, special dimension, as people on it here, a siren. and the background, of course, are in new york and ethic, classic new york sound in the background. so thanks for that little ambience. all

right, let's talk about. so china, of course, is launching the belt and road initiative, which is, sounds like what you would describe as goods and services, goods, capitalism, as opposed to pure finance capitalism. and give us an idea of where we are with us in china because the dynamic there and what looks to be a classic 3 cities trap, where you've got potentially china rising up as the new dominant world. economic power in the us taking a back speed is that actually happening and what, where are we in that cycle? how? where are we with china right now in the us? the idea of facilities is a trivial ization. people who describe us is that it express talk as if the u. s. as an industrial rival of china. and we're both playing the same game and people are somebody's going to win this game. who can export more,

grow more. that's not securing at all. and it's not what occurred between athens and start that sort of, these completely destroyed the american idea of acidity threats. he made it very clear that the fight between athens and was between a democracy, athens and oligarchy. sparser. there was a conflict, the economic system. it wasn't a rivalry to see you could export more, because the spartans didn't produce exports. they were a monetary country, say, they conquered penetration support oligarchy. well, that's the same. what america is, you could say is like athens in florida. you have america is, but like, are supporting oligarchy abroad and fighting against democracy, whether it's a democracy in venezuela or china, or cuba or russia, and it's installing dictator. it supports people that have caused democracy,

but it turns out to be an jelly, it turns out to be the latin american dictators. it turns out to be the 100 dictators that know, read through. so fight is between american promoting this finance capital idea that other countries have to sell their industry to american buyers. it has to let americans buy control of their industry. so the other countries are karen and kind of financial colony of the united states. the united states has managed america and some other countries against that are countries wanting to become so sufficient independent or just their own food rely on their own technology and case the economic, a surplus that they create at home to recycle is industrial countries are supposed to do so the fight between china and america is

a conflict between economic systems not for exports. after all, you know, they want to export industrial parks industry from cheap labor and china. so the, when people talk about the facility strap, they're trying to adjust the weapon up and a nationalistic form of saying it's us versus them without saying who is they asked us and what's america trying to promote and who is the them and what kind of society are they trying to promote? yeah, good point. you know, we've been using this through studies trap us, that analogy now for quite some time, and you are putting it into context, given your extensive writing on these topics for decades. it's highly appreciative. now let's put this into contact with the what's happening in china. so you did a series of lectures. they wanted to know about how to avoid what i guess they

perceived in the united states as being an over rely from the financial sector. which put the us at a disadvantage in somebody in so many ways. so where do you think it china is in the globe? a global economy now in relation to the u. s. what, what, what, how would you describe china right now is trying to avoid having an oligarchy getting rich by controlling monopolies and controlling the bank. alright, style right there. so in other words, when we hear news like they're cracking down on these big tech companies are cracking down on the various companies from going public. they're taking over alibaba, right? so that's what's going on there. they're breaking up the oligarch police and they're bringing them where under more state control they're regulating not really understand control at all because they have rejected state control. what they want to do is prevent monopolies from getting economic rent that enable

the leaders large over the rest of the population. they can say alibi, but we want you to be as successful as you can. but we're going to limit the amount of money to get, and we're not going to let you the 1st by into creating credits and the become coming a was. i bet. all right, let me. yeah, let me jump in here since you're such a historian, a lot of people say, you know what, going back 500 years, i believe the ming dynasty chinese burnt down their fleet. they had a huge naval fleet all over the world. the new guy came in and he burned to the ground. the theory was that he didn't watch competition for merchants interviewing and interfering with what he had to do is there's a similar moment. yes, it is. today, the problem is and merchants and trade because the trade is sponsored, basically by the government they, their concern is the creation of domestic monopolist. and the end of

the monopolist were being subsidized and supported by the united states. the united states went to try and set a free market, is letting a few rich people become the graphs and privatize wells and become millionaires. and the great monopolies, it will be great companies that we americans can invest them and buy and we get rich of your stock market that is created by an oligarchy that you will create. so we end up with the money and you're all like arts are, are all like arts are also becoming there's instead of the chinese people getting rich, let's, let's all get together with the millionaires of the world and run the world by creating our own monopolies in our banks and we can reduce the rest of the world, but you have to listen. the next question, what was trying to do with all the dollars they have? they've got over a trillion, they've got 3 trillion, i believe in their reserves. did they dump them on the market?

do they keep accumulating? now, what's the strategy there? so they've been reducing their dollar reserves steadily and buying gold. and they may need reserves in order to stabilize the value of the exchange rate between the young and the us dollar. so they need these reserves in order to prevent united states from trying to crush the currency and doing the china. what did syria and other countries that don't follow america in directors? so the reserves are protection, financial protection, basic like you have a call on taiwan. there's. they're going to be some action there. i don't really think so because most of these want to invest in china. the question is the terms on which they will be allowed to invest in china and the rest of property that the 2 countries are trying to develop together. right. all right, so dr. michael awesome. if i ever play the game of risk, which is

a board game for world domination, i want you on my team. they're going to take over the world. i think next time i play risk, thanks for being a cause a report. it really going to be here. all right, not going to do it for this additional report with may max guys are and stacy herbert wanna thank i guess dr. michael hudson till next time via the me. the reports of injuries him from says rallies against coded restrictions to a violent with the use of tear gas pepper spray and stung grenades. give head months 25 days on which is america's legacy. their strong sabotaged equipment. a country abroad to avoid a steel and control of the tyler by exactly 20 years after 911 and the war.