the me, i the with i'm after it, as you were going underground, broke up from the iranian embassy in london today. un secretary general engineering terrors addresses a high level ministerial meeting regarding the humanitarian situation in afghanistan. later in the show will be speaking to a spokesperson for the united nations refugee agency. but 1st, iran is the country, the reputed, the host, the 2nd largest population of african refugees in the world. joining me now to discuss that issue as well as nuclear proliferation down accusations from the

foreign office of attacks on persian gulf oil tankers, is the recently appointed a master over iraq to the u. k. motion. but her van, the thanks a master for letting us in. first of all, obviously have kenneth gone. is the big story around the world? women's rights has become a major issue. other issues are changing, minute by minute. as regards the taliban government, it might be useful, and i'm sure, as ambassador here, you know all about propaganda in nato countries. to tell our view is how different women's rights are in neighboring iran to taliban governed afghan is done . you have just proportion number of women at graduate level to men. well, thank you very much for having me. yes, i've kind of son is a land of surprising developments and this is not the only develop and maybe the anticipate that in future we have another or other surprise in developments because

that's the history of afghanistan. in the past 40 years. the situation are women in iran and, and i've got a son neighboring, i've got a son is not at all comparable. you know, we have the educational women on is higher than the they've made counterparts on the have women in the cabinet at the level of the vice president ministers in the university and it's quite different. so what do you think of what the taliban seemed to be doing? taught by manifesto i think they have some principles in their manifesto. i think being a government is quite different from being a group, an armed group. therefore, if one wants to be to stay in garment, if they create a government in the future in african nathan,

they have to look into their benefits. so it's not just to do something for, for showing i mean an inclusive government, right? so minorities, ethnic minorities and religious minorities are not so the right of women is high on the edge of the international community. you sound like foreign secretary rab here in london or entity blinking in washington with that answer. of course, one might think the united states and britain can talk to the taliban because they helped fund the merger had when that became the taliban. that became a guy that became ice is the, became all these things. iran has always been opposed to this kind of islam, islam, and this kind of fundamentalists. how does iran negotiate with taliban leaders and politicians? what we have, we have been discussing with the thought on, even before the domination of i've kind of we have had our concern because we are

the immediate neighbor of, i've kind of fun with around 1000 kilometers on the line. what we have talked to them before is the same that i am not now expressing the have some principles, the rise that they just talked about. you have pointed out that to the, to the taliban leaders. secondly, the issue of terrorism and extremism in africa fund is a concern for us, is a security concern. and also the drug trafficking is a problem. traffic in person because many people they come from are kind of fun to run by the trafficker. we know we are for the time being house thing, more than 3000000 africans in iran, and you have a lot of problem with they now, with the pandemic, with the vaccination,

with education, everything that the human being need. now the education of the african refugees in iran is free and then they can go to school. they can be educated, we are trying to give them what we can. but you are receiving very less help and assistance from the international who you are being sanctioned by the british sanction. yeah, i mean, what did you think when you're here barth, johnson and others say, we're talking to regional partners, a lot of the nato countries we're going to be talking to regional presumably neighboring countries of afghanistan, iran being one of them. and iran is sanctioned by the repeating union britain than the united states. they are really talking to you since the fall of global. i think that's the contradiction that the people have read themselves. i think the sanction is an exception,

but the humanitarian aids aid to the fugitive addressing the dangerous situation in the world and something of some of the countries they are to me. the policy is that they talk to taliban directly. maybe they help them. but internationally, they raise the issue, but really they are not observing it well, they have their frozen development money. of course, in, in new york or johnson said that western forces can be proud of the legacy they left behind. since the invasion after $911.00. do you think that western forces can be proud of the legacy of nato intervention in afghanistan? the nato legacy have kind of fun. it's not something to hide it or to justify it. i mean, we are seeing what is the nato, a legacy that in a way,

in particular in particular, that is a chaos. and there is a failure there. there is no government now the people are just living on their own . there is no resource for the people. they go into cation, but there is the how connie network. what did you make of these initial appointments of members of the god, the network. and the way the seemingly in london in washington, they said, you know, that it's not good, but, you know, that's the way it is. i mean, the, if the government wants to take shape, they have to be more inclusive with the government. because i've gone on the socialist structure is tribal is ethnic, and it's a diverse society and no single group with a single ideology can rule. i've kind of them in future the other they are not

going to have a they go any government that it's not inclusive. now, china got the taliban to say, look, we won't help terrorists that seek and independent gym. jan. russia has presumably got some guarantees about terrorism in russia. any guarantees that the taliban is giving iran about people from the sheer communities in afghanistan, their safety because there hasn't been much signs of even has our point. he's in the taliban. the new administration structures, our pollution is not just for one or 2 groups. what we have generally repeatedly telling tara one is that the they should not make a safe haven for terrorism. you know, kind of them, i mean, we don't have

a good or bad terrorism, terrorism is terrorism. therefore, it's true that the religion of many people, you know, kind of funny the same as they don't. but as far as terrorism is concerned, we are against terrorism. and we don't think that we should talk about one single group with all of on and others about how far can we just the united states in this withdrawal? because while the evacuation was going on, there was a massive troop movement from northern iraq into syria. we know britain's role, maybe you can expand on what you think britain's role as being in syria as regards terrorism and syria is, is britain supporting, continuing to support or at least it's even linked to isis dash and syria on britain role. really, i don't have that information that they can give you,

but with the united states, we cannot trust the united states movement plan. and the experience shows that the diplomacy of the united states is not innovative at all. they just want to resolve all the problems with force or question. and they also see the, the, the war, the real war like a hollywood movie and they just take arm to resolve the problem. but the result is that they just make a mess when or wherever they go. but you don't think with the 20 year anniversary of $911.00, the americans would realize that they can't use fundamentalist islam. ism keep funding these sorts of groups against their perceived enemies. yeah, because they wouldn't, they have to think a little bit. it's not just if you have power,

you can resolve all of the problems with, even in a small family, you cannot do it. set aside the international community. i mean, how you can resolve everything in the force and question that's not possible. the united states army is good for a classic or maybe, but if the groups are there, i mean many people, lot of that in the mountains have everywhere in the world. and how can you revolving the army? i mean, you didn't want him talking about britain was role in the syria. but i mean, it's, we know the britain arms israel, which has been bombing gaza in the past few days. and it's been bombing, damascus in the past few days. and we know britain's role in the sanctions against iran. what does it feel like when you were told to come to see the foreign secretary dominant,

grab accusing you of sponsoring terrorism accusing. i mean, it's not, it's easy, but to, to prove is, is difficult. what? no, i don't want to be bragging about something, but we have had the maybe the strongest campaign against terrorism. our general us, for them, i knew was assassinated by the united states, was the hero of the nation nation in the region for combating terrorism. and we have given a lot of a lot of plot to come by terrors, even 7th in towels. and the people in here are the victim of terrorism. that the organization that did that they have no, the safe haven in europe,

like m u k. they sometimes we hear, they're lessening this aboard for that terror group, although it was taken off the terror list. be the magician ambassador. i'll stop you there more from the ringing investors of u. k. as well as the u. n. refugee agency out of this brand. oh i was a finance guy. when customers go buy, you reduce the price didn't help. well, reduce a lower that's under cutting, but what's good to food market is that get to the global economy. mm. the

welcome back. i'm still here with the runs ambassador london on got some really money. his daughter gave us a world exclusive interview for this village program. and iran and his daughter said there will be some kind of response what, what is the response to the assassination of a general who forge with american troops against terrorism in syria and iraq? i think the response is come back again, terrorism and supporters that, that's the best response on our leadership has make this clear that the united states should be expand from reason because whenever they, wherever they go, they just make a cast. and did you make these points to the foreign secretary? when he said that you would iran had been involved in the killing of

a british citizen in the persian gulf of your money coast? i have not met a foreign secretary yet. oh, i thought he summoned, you know, i just went to the ministry. i didn't say he himself didn't know. i didn't speak to you. i mean, are you surprised about british foreign policy as regards these issues we're talking about or do you and the iranian government believe they basically do what the united states fills them to do? i think in this case, as the leadership is on the united states and the other countries followed not ever been repeated terror attacks in iran, of course, over many years. don't just guess i'm still a money. they've been us as a nation to scientists. what is the role of n g o's, british engineers? what is their role being in fostering interest against uranium

government? i know that bbc meteor action is being accused of fostering instability in iran. do you see these outside actors today into iran, for the instability? i don't see that they are important movements in fact, and we are very self confident. now, of course, there are sanctions against syria increasing anger against lebanon in nato nations . what does iran's position on trying to get fuel into syria during the winter as the winter approaches, let alone what is happening in lebanon? yeah, that's the, that's the 1st level of business. and secondly, iran as a powerful country in the middle east region. we cannot wait if there is a request from the, from lebanese government,

we'll give them the fuel and we can not wait and see a nation suffering because of the political interest of the power would have the british hijacking iranian vessel that's from the past and know that i don't know at all. who would do you make as an ambassador here in kensington in london. when you watch the tv news and see that there is no reporting of the strikes on syria as strikes israeli aspect. no reporting of gaza arguably. and the strikes on garza and the media here is on that issue is really biased. because israel as become the spoiled child of the international community whenever they decide they, they attack on, on other countries, they invade the countries. and also they commit terrorist acts and

proudly they just announced and they assassinated the nuclear scientist in iran, and they even, they have prime ministers confessed that they have done it and they have a stolen for example, the document. and that's something that if other country makes such such an act, i'm in the whole media in the world may explode to raise. but this is a very sad file. and in the media about the israeli acts in the region, they say they are attacked too much in the media here. just finally on, back to afghan is done. it was notable that the uranium foreign ministry spokesman said because he said, condemned the taliban over the actions in the past year valley.

is it difficult for iran to cope with the taliban because of the history of many in the taliban and their connections to the ca, to m? i 6. and to obviously the i s i, which had close it back as them, which had close connections to the ca, in punches that was against the problem is the ton of on made that the, the problem is that they resolve the the difference with the other group by negotiation, but what the ministry spokesman was condemning is that they just resort to the violence to resolve the problem. their demand also was on an inclusive government tolerant, tries to, to suppress them that by, by 4th and 4th, that's not acceptable. okay. but given what you been saying about the sponsorship

of terrorism against iran, how does iran, and i know it does, a new government now even negotiate over the j. c, p u, a nuclear treaty with people who, you know, are arming, attacks on iran. i mean, now iran is closer to china, closer to russia, close to, and his whaler, all these other the international community. why does it continue even negotiating with a g p, a with jo, buttons, administration for us? location is, is the, the main approach that we have 2 or international differences that have the, the other country. therefore, if we can resolve something through negotiations visible to and then i'm going to do anything about the increased enrichment that is being reported on j. c. p. o a we have had some some issues that we

think we have to resolve it. the other part is of the j. c. p. a one is that we need to guarantee that if again, somebody like president problem is not the not ration. they are not withdrawing and destroying what if you need them, therefore we need to kind of guarantee for that. secondly, we don't negotiate the regional or the other issues connected to the a c p a or new nuclear talks. and also, and we have to see the real action of the other part of j. c. a. in regard to the lifting of sanctions. we cannot just be a party of a, of an agreement and accept the commitments but be deprived from the benefits of that agreement. therefore, there should be

a balance between commitments and rights as one what you're demanding. they are not that tall, a strange or something which is in, out of the blue is something that is very, very logical and rational because like it or not us, i think the question that there are thing that again we are you are negotiate, think the different shapes the j c p. the other part is for the future. if even trump or to somebody like come comes to office and they want to again, this roy, the negotiation. what, what would you do? what guarantees that trust that we have had before in diplomacy with the united states in the war community is gone. it has faded away. therefore, the american river. and again, that thrust into diplomacy, if they promise to the something that you have to abide by that massa, thank you. thank you very much for having me. well,

earlier i spoke to matthew salt marsh spokesperson for the u. n. refugee agency to discuss the situation on the ground. and what will britain can be doing to help refugees up to 20 years of occupation and destruction of afghanistan? matthew was the scale of the catastrophe as you were hearing about it on the ground and walk in. you and western european nations do more to help what's happened. well, good afternoon, vera, you know, to, to main crises at play here. the, the most pressing one is the situation inside afghanistan. and we know that several 100000 delays adjustment is actually 600000 people have been displaced within the country so far this year. and that means that the total number of people displaced is around 3 and a half 1000000 inside afghanistan. the situation is very fluid. there are people of course, who are also returning home, but so far the majority have not done so,

and you know, we're working and delivering age within the country across the country, in all the provinces. and we hope that we can continue to do so with our partners in the us and our n g o partners. the 2nd part of that is, of course, the neighboring countries. and as you just heard, there are millions at 2 and a half 1000000 approximately refugees, primarily hosted by pakistan and iran. those countries have for a long time, been hosts to afghanistan. as you know, the country has been in a situation of war or insecurity and conflict for, for decades. and those countries have been generous hosts. they have large populations. now, in the event that more africans are compelled to try and find protection in those countries. so it's across the borders, of course, we would call on those countries to keep that boarders open and to allow for the

protection of more african refugees if needed. of course areas, contingency planning going on right now from ourselves with those countries and with other partners. so far, the movements have been relatively limited towards the border that has been an increase in movement. more people have been moving, but so far it's not on a mass scale, but of course, we need to plan for that possibility if, if it comes to pass. well that means you and hcr talk to the taliban regional players because really you can just pay off other countries to take refugees like it has previously. because you called on the e u, the u. s. western countries to support the effort. there are various appeals out there right now which are fairly poorly funded. our own appeal for afghanistan is only about 43 percent funded for this year. so the needs a huge by getting at the fact they can just pay off of the country and they can

take the refugees. that seems to be the urban policy historically, surely. well, the europeans cause going through their own process with, with the migration pack to the moment. some countries have announced resettlement programs either cause hugely welcome, but they are very modest in scale. there's a, there's a british one that they're very proud of. here i was, i got dimension, these reports that the boris johnson government wants to turn back boats on the channel, little rubber des refugees. i understand they can only apply for asylum once they're in britain. so that's why they, they have to get here before they can apply. what do you make of the reports that they might be doing this? we were, we were concerned by those reports primarily because of the potential for the safety of those who find themselves and see. and we feel that it's important. but if someone does make it to the territory of a country and asylum seekers that they are given access to a fair asylum procedure. and of course,

if they're in need of international protection, they should be granted that if they're not in need of international protection then, then there should be channels to allow them to return. that is of course difficult . and we would urge the u. k. government to negotiate with its partners in europe, especially the french, to try to create those channels whereby asylum seekers can be moved between 2 different countries. we used to have the dublin system. unfortunately, since break sets, the u. k is no longer a member of a party to that. so that channel has unfortunately been closed. we also the government to step up with what are known as safe and legal pathways for refugees. so things like resettlement and family reunion. we think there's more that can be done in those areas. as you know, they're all sorts of ideas, maybe off shoring refugees, to places in africa. but i just, finally, we had terry cali on a while back famed activist historian and novice. he said,

when britain, the nato countries launch was there should be a budget within the budget for the war for refugees. do you think that's a good idea when the military attacks on libya, syria, wherever, calculated within the war budget should be a budget for refugees? easiest solution is to find pace and to avoid conflict. of course, we think much more needs to be done by all stay active, to avoid conflict, to find reconciliation and pace, and then to address in development and humanitarian support that can help to address the root causes of force displacement so that people don't feel compelled to flee to countries and to try to move to safety in other countries. madison much . thank you. thank here and that's it for the show. we're back on wednesday, 13 years to the day lehman brothers filed the largest bankruptcy filing in us history, marking a turning point in the 28 west in economic crisis until then keep in touch with us,

my social media, and let us know if using nato nations to do more, when it comes to hosting refugees from what they started with i what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk the news

ah, this weekend on the 20th anniversary of the 911 terror attack, the f. b. i has released the declassified document about those who carried out the atrocity with the files, though essentially repeating known facts and adding no information on possible saudi involved reports suggest the u. s. mistakenly targeted and a half dan, a worker, and a drone strike, killing him and 9 members of his family. we heard from the 2 father to last children, and the youngest of them were just 2 years old. i'm the head of the family that has lost 10 of its members. this is north america and this is

a crime america on that one.