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considered. i'm peter a little in the wake of biden's humiliating exit from afghanistan. there are those in the u gen creek class, again, revisiting the possibility of a pan. you army, what's happening to all that nato unity we are constantly reminded out also why does washington stay in syria after being defeated in afghanistan? the discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess. jordan sent me well in budapest, he's a pod cast for the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri babich. he is a political analyst and editor at, you know, it's me internet media project. right. gentleman cross talk, rules and effects. that means you can jump in anytime want and i always appreciate it. okay, it's going to georgia in budapest. i guess none of us are surprised george that we

here talk of a e, you army in the wake of the exit humiliating exit from our anason. but this isn't something that we've, we've heard for the 1st time. this has been popping up, left and right. and there are those, it's make the claim, which i think has created this, is this brussels looking for another power grab at the expense of others, particularly the united states. but then you have the atlantic system, it will have even more power to push back. i mean, i'm not really sure if it's a meaningful conversation, but we're talking about it because it is a conversation that is being floated go ahead george. right. i mean, this is nate. so was launched every few years, the europeans of express the neuroses about all the americans are going to abandon us they've, they've lost interest in us. so we have the, the famous cliche about the, the americans are going to be ready to sacrifice new york and washington. 2 barn

and do so, the any was o americans or vietnam and they've lost interest in us. european americans are in central america. they've lost interest in us. oh, americans are interested in the pacific rim than just so then. so then finally, they figured out what they can do more effectively rather than just wind to the americans. and that is to threaten the americans with setting up their own european army, their own security and defense identity and then the american. eventually, this is something they will not tolerate. and every, you know, this is back in the eighty's or later you know, will a madeline albright william cohen's with to now getting sure is that any, no talk of european identity? europe must be firmly embedded within leisure. and i think this is exactly the same thing. this proposal that of setting up some kind of a 5000 strong, rapid reaction is a joke. even take the seriously of any kind of

a military base ship. but as you say, you have caught the attention of washington and immediately stamping their feet as is salt. and the nato secretary general gave an interview to the new saying, absolutely no question of any kind of separation from these will deem it not only unlikely that they would do it. because i mean, other than securing the are being unions, borders. and i'm thinking about you legal immigration, i could seize back, something like that to me. but i was contended, and the reason why natal members don't really like the pay off way from wanted them to is that they don't really see a major security threat of your union. certainly not russia, because of russia. wasn't that they would be any money on defense, but they don't want to be. i mean, again, the entire premise of nato is in question when we talk about endlessly on this

program. and this rapid deployment force is equally idiotic because, well then what i mean, we run it and we're going to call this, not me, they haven't thought about it. because the, the, the, the slippery slope, the moral hazard of nato is making his power paralyzed the european. you mean, when it comes to thinking about its own defense steamer? well, i mean, i agree with you that the thing is your dig, but it doesn't mean that it is not. that is not evil. i mean, if you look at people who push for the european army, these are the greatest russo folds in europe. i mean, you very stuff, just cage, russia. he's pathological about, you know, you have been saying last year, the portal kind of attack europe while europe hasn't got enough resources to defend it. yes, it's military budget. i knew the european nato allies, their budget combined is 4 times bigger than rush us. but steal americans have so

much more jobs. so much more weapons that i'm quoting here, you will have to have the same amount of troops to counterbalance russia. so this idea is evil. and let me remind you of that. the last 2 examples, when we had the european army, this was during the put on a war which was catastrophic. and hitler, as he was a deck against the soviet union as against the civilized world at large people, we get the hitler had many allies. you have hungary, italy, finland behind him. and he basically used a pan european army to enter the soviet union. that is the sad truth which a lot of people forget. so, in my view, we'll look at the recent history or the so called american was, there were also european was europeans went together with americans to gain stuff. they went together with them. but i don't think it was because they thought it was

necessarily a just cause it just that it gave meaning to yes, we actually are a military nothing that actually they put it put flesh on bone. and i think that george, i mean, you know, i've talked about this quite a few times here. i mean, it is not to be, you know, they want to make a commitment to the trans atlantic security environment. he said, you know, this is a way to prove that, you know, the mind has some kind of meaning. ok. i don't think it had any real security value . i mean, i don't know why the european countries were involved in afghanistan for example. ok. i mean, again, it was, i think, more of a justification than a meaningful contribution. go ahead. george. how's that is strong, because it was all about trying to justify nato's existence. i mean, this has been an ongoing team within mason member space what, what are we gonna do now out of the war. so back is gone. so in the ninety's we

have the whole. busy humanitarian intervention, the brigades then, oh, wonder of wonders. the 911 attacks we have the both the americans and wealthy though that the contribution of the europeans was absolutely minimal. that was just simply officially for the united states to say, oh, here we are. this is a joint venture, we're, we're all in us together. you know, we, we've been both article 5 and this is a great team effort. it was never really a series european dimension to it. and then your bills really have very little interest in creating some kind of a patio or a vietnam. it's what does that mean? and you will be an army nightmare for ever. all europeans will be germany and he goes to create an army that will have a strong. busy german component, even german leadership element to it. i think, you know, europe really wants to,

that's why it's always a matter of rhetoric. they get the americans attention. i mean, even cross uniform for trauma by, by the idea of a great, that's the way you were being ended and then we can pack our bags, get on with our stuff. but as soon as from old talk about you were to be even sentenced. brought up the subject. hey we said hi, in the 2nd world war you on, craig, and that was trump. so i just, i think this is maybe going to get off the ground. but again, you know, the opponents and proponents of bits will point out. this is much more of a bureaucratic process. i mean, it's, again, was i started out brussels accumulating powers, organizations, budgets, and even though it's quite meaningless, i mean, again, a rabbit deployment, where i, i didn't care how many will be in there. how many, somebody, albanians, i mean, i really can't really bad the weather, and what would be the,

what would be the, the issue? i mean, other, like i said, you know, make illegal immigration. i mean, how are all these? are they going to pick? you know, let's go back to how can i said nobody and data really wants to go back and they're angry and they were told that the you were reading, but i don't think anybody really wants to go there. and if the, if the english, the british or so that was your by go at it. well, i mean, i agree with george that there is no value would be an army. and if indeed the you had be and you don't concern with europe security, it should not create section on it. but it doesn't mean that the bad things i don't want to happen. i mean that the responsibility of the european union is boundless, said that i'm going to go to a dentist on the 2nd time, but least doing is georgians lodge historians. they all went to do the 2 times the 1st time with the soviet by the 2nd time with the american army. that's

a fact. so there is a precedent. and if you look at the lead us, you know, merkel who st by america. now if you look at her speech in 2003, they bought, she was not the counselor she, the support of the idea of germany participate and in the there are. but she used different treachery. like we have to stand together live tonight, the space. but if you're spent together with the united states in march, 2003, that means you want to invade iraq. so you, she had been in charge. germans will be in iraq to just like they were and against them. so, and the rhetoric, i mean, the table picture that i see now is that the united states is going to be the and so with china and europe is going to target russia. and i am, i'm going to call you, i'm going to give you hundreds of calls about that. like the german defense minister, undergrad grove, current was visiting the american military base in guam,

a little more than a year ago. i think she said the following in europe, our enemy is russia sheer. your enemy is china. so i mean, bureaucratically, you're right, it's going to be a paradise that's both on the rights on our website. this allows the europeans to double their new state, your personal. because if you have, if you were to be in force, that means in more terms, you might have 100000 or maybe 3 bureaucrats didn't you drops. and brussels is going to do it. you know, i understand that perspective, you're a bit, george. i don't see the buyer in the belly of the, the different policies of the european union. i mean, you can have some crazy judgment and dana, if you want just, of course, the baltic. they will always be up in arms about something here, but at the end of the day, or they want to get to spend billions and billions a euro's because they've been targeted. rushed, i don't,

i just don't see it. i just don't see. i don't even know, i mean, it's a possibility of us being to suggest that there might be a division of labor within nato. they say, okay, well, you americans, you know, you focus on the south trying to see the shiny, see, and we will focus on russia. but the point is the european have lost any of to fight was, i mean, they haven't walk any was for many, many decades. i mean, we've seen how poorly they faulty and i've seen a bully they bought in iraq. it's going to be a very hard to see how they gonna book the start shaping themselves up without the american leadership. i mean, i think much more likely is we're going to get some revival of those strange interventions in the 1970 is which people have forgotten how a french would fly in to prop up to in air. and then they, they went into chad, all these strange nonsensical. busy french's eventually like you can't do that

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to remind you. we're discussing some real names. the. the rachel is to change gears here in georgia. again, in the afterglow of the exit from afghanistan, humiliating one, there's a lot of talk about a new war on terror, the necessity of it. others are creating a threat, inflation. when you brought to my mind something quite interesting that about very few people really want to consider is, was it really ever a war on terror? because it seems that in retrospect, over the last 20 years, it's quite selective. because as i said, my introduction evacuation my fact and it's been been why stay in syria, georgia. that's exactly the issue because to the extent that ever was

a war on sarah that was over and done with by december 2001. when basically the thrown out the taliban pushed out. okay to arrested. all these people taking them to guantanamo bay. what did any of that have to do with the march 2003 invasion of iraq because i was saying he was friend of ok. the, despite all the nonsensical propaganda from new yorker and cheney, and he was no friend of ok there. and then we had the was on libya and serious, these governments were very much opposed to the jihad is. i mean they, are they arrested jihad, is that no time of all of them? yemen. and then so really what we've had is actually a war on the very government that actually fought against it on a war against these nationalists. secular is government all wrapped up

in this phony baloney? talk about the global war on terror. and this goes on to this day. and if you are, why exactly are americans in the syria? well, they were fighting isis. well, when you know, we've seen a very interesting article this week by era, he points out there's been no fighting against ices. no, no, no one the military mission up against price is the book. so this is now become a rationale for continued america interventions, military presidents around the world, but they are fighting isis when in fact, they're doing nothing of the sort. well, and of course, if we look at it live, i mean, i mean, the way it's being in love is being approached and, and in theory is that you have, you come down to distill it down to there's good ice isn't bad. i says there's good al qaeda and bad, all kind of, i mean the, the, you know, the, the think tank a sand they, they tie themselves up into,

into wrestles here because it doesn't make any coherent sense. and that's why george's premise, that there never was a war on, on terra is absolutely correct because it's very selective. and you use isis and all kinds of when you need them. i just went down the thing to the purest of warm go ahead. well, i'm sure thank you, i use us. i would be in conspiracy theories like how, how just say don't either stay given find ice. yes. well, i'm going to use here only the fact that kind of mention as fact by western progress. ok, out of 19 chris who can eat the 911, a terrible, terrible respect, cheap t in worse from saudi arabia. ok, one guy was from egypt to other from yemen and denisia. i miss they know that they've sold your age. yeah. it is all the facts to denisia. it is not that that egypt ain't that back to iraq. and again,

you don't know these guys was from iraq against the over on leave you. so where is the logic here? and i understand why people are full of conspiracy theories because the western divisional process and the great country is just bond a big while your brain conspiracy theory, right? so people have no trust visual information, and that's why sometimes they think of theories of their own. i'm going to stick to fact here. i think george is absolutely correct when he says that these was lot a war against terror when, when bush invaded stand iraq. i think that even in the states now you can read them in the article by daniel and coffee. the war on terror was a war over religion in the, in the more than sense, you know, i think the people in washington have the people in brussels, by the way, genuinely believed that they kind of force on their arrogance. they are new. i your

when geometry liberal, i go. i mean, another nice headline from district a that did gender studies lose the game has been for us. they did because there is no one for gender in posh to or in or door or a diary though. and we just spoken in gauge, in fact, there is no charge board in russian, you know, but these people kept pushing, they, they are out to more than alter liberal ideas in the society just over. absolutely not prayer for them. and that inspire fairies because there are no states. so the you invaded us, why? the of the yugoslav did not commit a single period. they tried to defend themselves speak into the press, you know, write your books, they were silence. you know, this was not taken into cold, so i think but of the reasons why there are so many tears because you can not have your voice cards in the west. the media, if you're ready and i was trying to do it. but george, you,

if it gets found to be in the war on terror is actually a pretty good griff. right? i mean, you know, by a threat and then you prepare for it. you, you annihilated attack it, and then you get, blow back. and then you start all over again. i mean, it's pretty convenient, isn't it? i mean, and then again, it's very, very selective. you know, we don't, we don't like that these, your hobbies are harmless. actually there are helpful. these are against the but i mean it's all about labels, isn't it? because is we have all pointed out here. maybe you're not saying an exact word. there's no code here and the theory of the war. busy on terror doesn't exist. oh no, that's right. by now everyone's already found the talking point. yes. yes. yes. the americans is the initial supporters of the g holidays in afghanistan in the 1900 ages. i was already ok. everyone's up on the page, but it went on,

it didn't just and magically, $989.00 america continues to support. jihad is symbolically a richard holbrooke. in his account of the war, in bosnia boasted boasted that the united states was shipping in jihad is into balls and said all it was the same as when we were backing style. and again, hitler in world war 2. so that's been there. i didn't know that they will. so supposing that jihad is a cecelia and what are they doing and syria, they are absolutely determined to prevent before when it seemed in 2018 that the big government is going to launch an offensive against the americans on the trump threatened to bomb damascus. if they did that, so they be doing this all the time in playing this little game of banking, the good g is which we can unleash against the government that we don't like as opposed to the bad, you will do bad things to us. so, i mean,

the american go by surprise, you know, lot when he was on man. and he goes the launches back out the grateful de la, one of these pathetic things and watching american media, particularly on the 20th anniversary of the events of $911.00, is that, you know, they, there is, there is a general agreement that the war in afghanistan had to come to and i think that's across the board. ok. of course there are neo com. wanted to see go on forever. but imbedded in the commentary in the narrative about $911.00 is that it could happen again. and you know, if there are still groups in afghan, if that read this being the how that and that's the narrative we heard we heard that 20 years ago. maybe we need to help them. me, they, they said there's temptation of a repetition of constantly. and of course there are be plenty of people with vested interest saying, yeah, that might be a good idea. you know?

because, you know, we can start from scratch, start all over again. okay. because the taliban are back. ok. and again, there's no coherent understanding and how to fight the is this co so called war on terror? because know when a nice the powers to be never taken on a one off basis. so you have to sell this entire bill of goods to the public for it to succeed. go ahead. well, i have my own collection, all the absurd statements from noble american media about american presidents like drunk said, oh, we killed that guy. oh, but don't you. why did you q him be lately, which is supposed to be the strong hold of democrats resisting off of the terrible gun that actually often would have killed him before? the same story with reagan or weird the maya, the car, rachel, they're going to people who resisted more than soviet, i mean, it was just some, you know, sub machine guns. well, it is right now we have the same situation. africans with machine gun to resistance

and even more and more than on, you know, the american, the euro being honest, guess them well, i think it was not the american people or the european nations, the more the war guys. but it was the ideology which, which just didn't take into account any peculiarity just of all people. even though i mean look at nature in nature. we have all the species existing in all the fact that mammals are more of our rep that was done in the trap. i was have to die out in the same way in human society if you can, nor force varied years, which are now except neither states and western europe and which are very, very dubious. you cannot force them on a society in. so i got, i got bad news for here. demon dakota? george? you're right. a did work in denison. now the power to be are trying and on half the american public. ok. so you know, they succeed. they failed enough. ganeth them. let's try and now in the west,

i mean, you're seeing this particularly in the united states of the unwashed, the rubes. ok. this i didn't, you're right. the i the office. he died in the but it hasn't died in the west. george. so that is bad things like right, and that is what is happening now in the united states on the biden of the war has been brought home. the water has been brought against the great and was the so called white supremacy. the tv and vaccinated names changed, but they mean the same people the horrible in here, raise the origin. and i thought, you know, the waging war against a renegade european countries. i mean this is done good or bad. hungary, poland. so it's, it's the liberal etiology. that is how targeted against the boss, massive humanity, it just doesn't accept it. and this is indeed why the globe,

this was the one called the global war in jerry, which is just simply got this liberal ideology is still prevalent. and you know, $911.00 and all the so, but i've got it it's, it's still managed to besides it, it's a minister society. and one thing is for sure gentlemen, it needs an enemy without an enemy. it doesn't exist. you will have no man, no reason to exist as all the time. we have one thing, my guess in budapest and here in moscow want to think of yours for watching us here . are the phoenix from remember? ah ah the

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