undermines the whole propaganda from the wish that russia is not a normal country and doesn't have a normal politics that will be normal. and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. it does have a hybrid system here. there is partly the 1st part of the post system. there is not proportional system. i like to it as well. there's also 3 days of voting. there's a lot of digital technology brought into it this time as well. what difference briefly do you think that's going to make when it benefits smaller policies, or would it increase turn out? well, the real question is to turn our attention. i mean, the people say, well, if there's no low turn, it just shows people are alienated from the system. but i mean, you know, in many us elections over many years, so that barely reached 50 percent. so instead of starts not really relevant, of course, it will be good to have a high turnover, and it will be good if lots of people participate. and we get, you know,

not a dramatic change, but sufficient change to allow the democratic politics to evolve and develop. and, you know, i think is probably what is going to happen. okay, well maybe we'll talk again in a week from now i'm off and see if the crystals are working for now. i'm off in some deadly stand bristol and again, ok, thank you. thank you. okay, that is all from a reaction studio for there we go. much hold to come in the next few hours and also days as we explain the big issues facing rushing voters on the people vying. so when that follows this coming weekend, but out of the moscow evening comes to life. that's it for me. call him bray. i'll stay tuber election coverage continues in around half an hour life from moscow. this is the international ah,

the, the, the was i'm action or as you were going underground, broke up from the iranian embassy in london. this today, un secretary general engineer terrors addresses a high level ministerial meeting regarding the humanitarian situation in afghanistan. later in the show will be speaking to a spokesperson for the united nations refugee agency. the 1st iran is the country, the reputed, the host, the 2nd largest population of african refugees in the world. joining me now to discuss that issue as well as nuclear proliferation down accusations from the foreign office of attacks on persian gulf oil tank is,

is the recently appointed invested over run to the u. k most and by her van. the thanks master for letting us in. first of all, obviously have chemist on is the big story around the world. women's rights has become a major issue. other issues are changing, minute by minute. as regards the taliban government, it might be useful and i'm sure as ambassador here, you know all about propaganda in nato countries. to tell our view is how different women's rights are in neighboring iran to taliban govern deaf. get this done. you have just proportion number of women at graduate level to men. well, thank you very much for having me. yes, i've kind of son is a land of surprising developments and this is not the only develop and maybe the anticipate that in the future we have another or other surprising developments because that's the history of in the past 40 years,

the situation are women in iran and, and i've got a son neighboring, i've got a son is not a tall, comparable, you know, we have occasional women on is higher than the they've made counterparts. we have women in the cabinet at the level of the vice president ministers in the university. and it's quite different. so what do you think about the taliban seem to be doing? taught by manifesto i think they have some principles in their manifesto. i think being a government is quite different from being a group, an armed group. therefore, if one wants to be to stay in garment, if they create a government in future in african nathan, they have to look into their manifesto. it's not just to do something for,

for showing. i mean an inclusive government, the rights of minorities, ethnic minorities, religious minorities are not. so the right of women is high on the edge of the international community. you sound like foreign secretary, rab, you're in london or entity blinking in washington with that answer. of course. what might think the united states and britain can talk to the taliban because they helped fund the merger had that became the taliban. that became a guy that became isis and became all these things. iran has always been opposed to this kind of islam, islam, and this kind of fundamentalist. how does iran negotiate with taliban leaders and politicians? what we have, we have been discussing with the thought on, even before the domination of i've kind of we have had our concern because we are the, a neighbor of,

i've kind of fun with around 1000 kilometers on the line. what we have talked to them before is the same that i am not know expressing the have some principles the rice that they just talked about. you have pointed out that to the, to the tale only the secondly, the issue of terrorism and extremism enough kind of fun is a concern for us is a security concern. and also the drug trafficking is a problem. traffic in person because many people they come from are kind of fun to run by the trafficker. you know, we are for the time being hosting more than 3000000 africans in iran. and you have a lot of problem with now, with the pandemic, with the vaccination, with education,

everything that the human being the now the education of the african refugees in iran is free and they can go to a school. they can be educated, we are trying to give them what we can, but you are receiving very less help and assistance from the international who you are being sanctioned by the british sanctions. yeah, i mean, what did you think when you're here? birth johnson and others say we're talking to regional partners, a lot of the nato countries we're going to be talking to regional presumably neighboring countries of afghanistan and iran being one of them. and iran is sanctioned by the european union britain than the united states. they are really talking to you since the fall of global. i think that's a contradiction that the people have with themselves. i think the sanction is an exception, but the humanitarian have a to that a few g addressing the dangerous situation in the morning. something good. some of

the countries they are to me, the policy is that they talk to taliban directly. maybe they help them. but internationally, they raise the issue, but really they are not observing it well they have, they're frozen that elements money. of course, in, in new york or johnson said that western forces can be proud of the legacy they left behind. since the invasion after 911, do you think that western forces can be proud of the legacy of nato intervention in afghanistan? denito, legacy? you know, kind of fun. it's not something to hide it or to justify it. i mean, we are seeing what is the nato legacy that in, in one way in particular in particular, that is

a chaos. when there is a feller there, there is no government now the people are just living on their own. there is no resource for the people. they go into cation, but there is the how connie network. what did you make of these initial appointments of members of the god, the network and the way the seemingly in london and washington, they said, you know, that it's not good, but you know, that's the way it is. i mean the, if the government wants to take shape, they have to be more inclusive with the government. because afghanistan, the socialist structure is tribal nick and it's a diverse society and no single group with a single idea. as you can rule, i've got them in future the other they are not going to have a they go any government that it's not inclusive. now,

china got the taliban to say, look, we won't help terrorists that seek and independent gym. jan. russia, as presumably got some guarantees about terrorism in russia. any guarantees that the taliban is giving iran about people from the sheer communities in afghanistan, their safety because there hasn't been much signs of even has our point. he's in the taliban. the new administration structures, our pollution is not just for one or 2 groups. what we have generally repeatedly telling tara one is that the they should not make a safe haven for parallelism. you know, kind of them, i mean, we don't have 10 a good or bad terrorism, terrorism is terrorism. therefore,

it's true that the religion of many people in afghanistan is the same as they don't . but as far as terrorism is concerned, we are against terrorism. and we don't think that we should talk about one single group with all of on and others about how far can we just the united states in this withdrawal? because while the evacuation was going on, there was a massive troop movement from northern iraq into syria. we know britain's role, maybe you can expand on what you think britain's role as being in syria as regards terrorism and syria is, is britain supporting continuing to support or at least, is it even linked to isis dash and syria on britain role? really, i don't have that information that they can give you, but with the united states, we cannot trust the united states movements. and the experience shows that the

diplomacy of the united states is not innovative at all. they just want to resolve all the problems with it. force or question, and they also see the, the, the war, the real war like a hollywood movie and they just take arm to resolve the problem. but the result is that they just make a mess where they go. but you don't think with the 20 year anniversary, $911.00, the americans would realize that they can't use fundamentalist islam. islam keep funding these sorts of groups against their perceived enemies. yeah. because they wouldn't they have to think a little bit. it's not just if you have power, you can resolve all the problems with, even in

a small family. you cannot do it. set aside the international community. i mean how you can resolve everything in the 4th and question that's not possible. the united states army is good for a classic or maybe, but if the groups are there, i mean many people, lot of that in the mountains, everywhere in the world. and how can you revolve it need to army? i mean, you didn't want him talk about britain was role in the syria. but i mean, it's, we know the britain arms israel, which has been bombing gaza in the past few days. and it's been bombing, damascus in the past few days. and we know britain's role in the sanctions against iran. what does it feel like when you were told to come to see the foreign secretary dominic grab accusing you of once ring terrorism accusing?

i mean it's not, it's easy, but to, to prove is, is difficult. what, no, i don't want to be bragging about something, but we have had the, maybe the strongest campaign against terrorism. our general us and for the money was assassinated by the united states. it was the hero of the nation. nation in the region for combating terrorism. and we have given a lot of a lot of brought to come by terrors, even 7th in towers and the people on are the victim of terrorism. that the organization that did that they have no, the safe haven in europe like m u. k. they sometimes we hear their

lessening this board for that terror group though it was taken off the terror list, the, the legit and master. i'll stop you there more from the ringing masters of the u. k . as well as the u. n. refugee agency after this, bring in the welcome back. i'm still here with the runs ambassador london on got some really money. his daughter gave us a world exclusive interview for this village program, and iran and his daughter said, there will be some kind of response what, what is the response to the assassination of a general who fought with american troops against terrorism in syria and iraq? i think the response is come back again,

terrorism and their supporters that that's the best response. and our leadership has make this clear that the united states should be expand from or region because when they, wherever they go, they just make a cast. and did you make these points to the foreign secretary? when he said that you would iran had been involved in the killing of a british citizen in the persian gulf of your money coast? i have not met a foreign secretary yet. oh, i thought he summoned you. no, i just went to the ministry. i didn't know he himself didn't know. i didn't speak to you. i mean, are you surprised about british foreign policy as regards these issues we're talking about, or do you and the iranian government believe they basically do what the united states fills them to do? i think in these cases, the leadership is on the united states and the other countries followed it not ever

been repeated terror acts in iran, of course, over many years, don't just get him silly money. they've been us as a nation to scientists. what is the role of n g o's, british engineers? what is their role being in fostering interest against uranium government? i know that bbc meteor action is being accused of fostering instability in iran. do you see these outside actors today into iran, for the instability? i don't see that they are important movements in fact, and we are very self confident. now, of course, there are sanctions against syria increasing anger against lebanon in nato nations

. what does iran's position on trying to get fuel into syria during the winter as the winter approaches, let alone what is happening in lebanon? yeah, that's the, that's the 1st level of business. and secondly, iran as a powerful country in the middle east region, we cannot wait if there is a request from the, from lebanese government, we'll give them the feel and we cannot wait and see a nation suffering because of the political interest of the power. what if the british hijacking iranian vessel? oh, that's from the past. no, that i don't know at all. who would do you make as an ambassador here in kensington in london. when you watch the tv news and see that there's no reporting of the strikes on syria as strikes israeli asterix,

no reporting of gaza, arguably. and the strikes on garza and the media here is on that issue is really biased. because israel as become this point, child of the international community, whenever they decide they, they attack on, on other countries, they invade the countries. and also they commit terrorist acts. and proudly they just announced, i mean, they assassinated the nuclear scientists in iran. and they even, they have prime ministers confessed that they have done it and they have a stolen, for example, the documents. and that's something that if other country make such such an act, i'm in the whole media in the wordly exploit, to raise. but this is

a very fat file and in the media about these acts in the region, they say they are attacked too much in the media here. just finally on back to get this done. it was notable that the uranium foreign ministry spokesman said because he said, condemned the taliban over the actions in the past year valley. is it difficult for iran to cope with the taliban because of the history of many in the taliban and their connections to the ca 2 m i 6 and to obviously the i s i which had close it back as though which had close connections to the ca and punch that was against the problem is the ton of on made that they the problem is that they resolve the the difference with the other

groups by negotiation. but what the ministry spokesman was conditioning, is that they just resort to the violence to resolve the problem. they are, the man also was on an inclusive government tolerant, tries to, to suppress them that by, by 4th and by our 4th, that's not acceptable. okay. but given what you been saying about the sponsorship of terrorism against iran, how does iran, and i know it as a new government now even negotiate over the j. c. p. u, a nuclear treaty with people who, you know, are arming, attacks on iran. i mean, now iran is closer to china, closer to russia, close to, and his whaler, all these other the international community. why does it continue even negotiating with a g p, a with jo, buttons, administration for us? location is, is the, the main approach that we have 2 or international differences that have the,

the other country. therefore, if we can resolve something through negotiations visible to and then i'm going to do anything about the increased enrichment that is being reported on j. c. p. i v have had some some issues that we think we have to resolve it. the other part is of the j. c. p. a one is that we need to guarantee that if again, somebody like president problem is not the not ration. they are not throwing throwing vote if you need them, therefore we need to kind of guarantee for that. secondly, we don't negotiate the regional or the other issues connected to the j, c, p a or new nuclear talks. and also,

and the have to see the real action of the other part is j. c. a. in regards to the lifting of sanctions, we cannot just be a party of a, of an agreement and accept the commitment but be deprived from the benefits of that agreement. therefore, there should be a balance between commitments and rights as one what you're demanding. they are not, that's all a strange or something which is in, out of the blue is something that is very, very logical and rational. because like, you don't know if you are facing the question that they're thing that again we are, you are negotiate in the different shapes, the j, c, p o, a v t, the other parties. but in future, if even trump, or to somebody like from comes to office and they want to again, this way,

the negotiation, what, what would you do? what guarantee that trusts that we have had before in diplomacy with the united states in the war community is gone. it has faded away. therefore the american river. and again, that thrust into diplomacy, if they promise to the something they have to abide by the massive thank you. thank you. was for having well, earlier i spoke to matthew salt marsh spokesperson for the you and refugee agency to discuss the situation on the ground. and what will britain can be doing to help refugees up to 20 years of occupation and destruction of afghanistan? matthew was the scale of the catastrophe, as you were hearing about it on the ground and walk in. you and western european nations do more to help what's happened. well, good afternoon, vera, you know, to, to main crises at play here. the most pressing one is the situation inside

afghanistan. and we know that several 100000 delays adjustment is actually 600000 people have been displaced within the country so far this year. and that means that the total number of people displaced is around 3 and a half 1000000 inside afghanistan. the situation is very fluid. there are people of course, who are also returning home, but so far the majority have not done. and we are working and delivering age within the country across the country in all the provinces. and we hope that we can continue to do so with our partners in the us and our n g o partners. the 2nd part is of course the neighboring countries. and as you just heard, there are millions, 2 and a half 1000000, approximately refugees, primarily hosted by pakistan and iran. those countries have for a long time, been hosts to afghanistan, as you know, the, the country has been in

a situation of war or insecurity and conflict for, for decades or so. and those countries have been generous hosts. they have large populations. now, in the event that more africans are compelled to try and find protection in those countries. so it's across the board. as of course, we would call on those countries to keep them is open and to allow for the protection of more african refugees if needed. of course areas, contingency planning going on right now for myself with those countries and with other partners. so far, the movements have been relatively limited towards the border that has been an increase in movement. more people have been moving, but so far it's not on a mass scale, but of course, we need to plan for that possibility if, if it comes to pass. well that means you and hcr talking to the taliban regional

players because really you can just pay off other countries to take refugees like it as previously. because we called on the e u, the u. s. western countries to support the effort. there are various appeals out there right now which are fairly poorly funded. our own appeal for afghanistan is only about 43 percent funded for this year. so the needs a huge fire was getting at the fact they could just pay off of the country and they can take the refugees. that seems to be the urban policy historically surely. well, the europeans cause going through their own process with, with the migration pack to the moment. some countries have announced resettlement programs. these are, of course, hugely welcome, but they are very modest in scale. there's a, there's a british one that they're very proud of here. i was, i got to mention these reports that the boris johnson government wants to turn back boats on the channel, little robot ding, ease of refugees. i understand they can only apply for asylum once they're in

britain. so that's why they, they have to get here before they can apply. what do you make of the reports that they might be doing this? we were, we were concerned by those reports primarily because of the potential for the safety of those who find themselves and see. and we feel that is important. but if someone does make it to the territory of a country and asylum seekers, they are given access to a fair asylum procedure. and of course, if they're in need of international protection, they should be granted that if they're not in need of international protection then, then there should be channels to allow them to return. that is of course difficult . and we would urge the u. k. government to negotiate with its partners in europe, especially the french, to try to create those channels whereby asylum seekers can be moved between 2 different countries. we used to have the dublin system. unfortunately, since brac sets the u. k is no longer a member of a party to that. so that channel has unfortunately been closed. we also the

government to step up with what are known as safe and legal pathways for refugees. so things like resettlement and family reunion. we think there's more that can be done in those areas. well, as you know, they're all sorts of ideas. maybe off shoring refugees, to places in africa. but i just finally, we had terry cali on a while back famed activists destroy and know that he said, when britain, the nato countries launch was there should be a budget within the budget for the war for refugees. do you think that's a good idea when the military attacks on libya, syria, wherever, calculated within the war budget should be a budget for refugees? easy solution is to find pace and to avoid conflict. of course, we think much more needs to be done by all stay active, to avoid conflict, to find reconciliation and piece, and then to address in development with humanitarian support that can help to

address the root causes of force displacement so that people don't feel compelled to flee to countries and to try to move to safety in other countries. matthew saw much. thank you. thank you and that's for the show will be back on wednesday. 13 years to the day, the lehman brothers filed the largest bankruptcy filing in us history, marking a turning point in the 28 west and economic crisis until then. keep in touch with my social media and let us know if using nato nations to do more when it comes to hosting refugees from was they started ah, live from moscow. they say the all the international. welcome. where special studio, looking over the city skyline and the heart of the russian capital as the nation gets up to the state tuber elections this week, they will define the country's political course for the next 5 years.