to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george, send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast for the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by to meet 3, bob, which is a political analyst and editor at you know, it's me internet media project or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. okay, it's going to georgia in budapest. i guess none of us are surprised george that we hear talk of a e, you army in the wake of the exit humiliating exit from anason. but this isn't something that we've heard for the 1st time. this has been popping up left and right. and there are those make the claim which i think has created. so this is this brussels looking for another power grab at the expense of others, particularly the united states. then you have the atlantis that will have even more power to push back. i mean, i'm not really sure if it's a meaningful conversation, but we're talking about it because it is

a conversation that is being loaded. go ahead george. right. i mean this is nate. so was launched every few years, the europeans of express the neuroses about all the americans are going to abandon us. they will, they've lost interest in us. so we have the, the famous cliche about the, the americans are going to be ready to sacrifice new york. busy and washington. 2 barn and do so, the any was o americans or vietnam and they've lost interest in us. european americans are in central america. they've lost interest in us. oh, americans are interested in the pacific rim than what interested in us. so finally, teenagers, they figured out what they can do more effectively rather than just wind to the americans. and that is to threaten the americans with setting up their own european army, their own security and defense identity. and then the american this is something

they will not tolerate. and every, you know, this is back in the eighty's or later, you know, it will madeline albright them william cohen's with the now getting sure isn't that any talk of european identity? europe must be finally embedded within major and i think this is exactly the same thing. this proposal that of setting up some kind of a 5000 strong rapid reaction. both is a joke. won't even take the seriously of any kind of a military base ship. but as you say, you have caught the attention of washington and immediately that stamping their feet as is stolen by the nato secretary general, who gave an interview to the new york time saying no, absolutely no, no question of any kind of separation from they will deem it not only unlikely that they would do it, because i mean, other than securing the european union orders, and i'm thinking about you all immigration, i could see back something like that. but i was contended,

and the reason why nato members don't really like the pay off way from one of them to is that they don't really see a major security threat of your in union. certainly not rush it because that brush up was it that they would be any money on defense, but they don't want to be. i mean, again, the, the entire premise of nato is in question with, we've talked about endlessly on this program. and this rapid deployment force is equally idiotic because, well then what i mean, we've run it and we're going to call this to me. they haven't thought about it because they need the slippery slope, the moral hazard of nato. his make, his power paralyzed the european. you mean when it comes to thinking about its own defense? well, i mean, i agree with you that it is your to, but it doesn't mean that it is not. that is not evil. i mean, if you look at the people who push for the european army, these are the greatest russo folds in europe. i mean, you very just cage,

russia. he is pathological about, you know, you have been saying last year that you can attack europe while europe hasn't got enough resources to defend it. yes, it's military budget. i knew the european nato allies. their budget combined is 4 times bigger than rush us. but still, americans have so much more jobs, so much more weapons that i'm quoting here. you will have to have the same amount of troops to counterbalance russia. so this idea is evil. and let me remind you of that. the last 2 examples, when we had the european army, this was during then the put on a war which was catastrophic and hitler's. he was a back against the soviet union and against the civilized world, the large people we get that he had many allies. you have hungary,

easily seamless behind him, and he basically used a pan european army to enter the soviet union. that is the sad truth, which a lot of people forget. so in my view, we'll look at the recent history or the so called american was, there were also european was, europeans went together with americans to gain stuff. they went together with them, i wrote, but i don't think it was because they thought it was necessarily a just cause it just that it gave meaning to yes, we actually are a military, nothing is that actually they put it put flesh on bone and i think that george, i mean, you know, i've talked about this quite a few times here. i mean, it's not to be, you know, they wanted to make a commitment to the trans landing security environment. he says, you know, this is a way to prove that, you know, the lines has some kind of meaning. ok. i don't think it had any real security value. i mean, i don't know why the european countries were involved in afghanistan for example.

ok. i mean, again, it was, i think, more of a justification than a meaningful contribution. go ahead, george. as that is strong because it was all about trying to justify nature existence. i mean, this has been an ongoing theme within nato member states. what, what are we going to do now? the war, so back is gone. so in the ninety's we have the whole humanitarian intervention, the brigades then. oh, wonder of one of the $911.00 attacks we have for them to both the americans. and i think it will be though, that the contribution of the europeans was absolutely minimal. that is just simply officially for the united states to say, oh, here we are. this is a joint venture. we're, we're all in together. you know, we, we've been both article 5 and this is a great team effort. it was never really a series european dimension to it. and then your bills really have very little

interest in creating some kind of a european army. what does that mean? and if you're going to be an army nightmare for all europeans will be germany. and he goes to create an army that will have a strong german component, even german leadership element to it. i think, you know, you're being really wants this. that's why it's always a matter of rhetoric. they get the americans attention. i mean, even cross uniform for trauma by, by the idea of a great you will be and i did it and then we can pack our bags, get on with our stuff. but as soon as from old talk about you are, my dentist even brought up the subject. hey, we saved your hi. in the 2nd world war you are crazy. so and that was strong. so i just, i think this is a way to get to get off the grow. do you, me again, you know, the opponents and proponents abysmal point out this is much more of

a bureaucratic process. i mean, it, again was, i started out brussels accumulating powers, organizations, budgets, and even though it would be quite meaningless. i mean, again, a rapid deployment where i, i just care how many will be in there. how many, somebody, albanians, i mean, i really can't really bad the weather, and what would be the, what would be the, the issue? i mean, other, like i said, you know, illegal immigration, i mean, how are all these kind of going to pick, you know, let's go back into how can i said, nobody in data really wants to go back and they're angry. but they were told that the beds were reading, but i don't think anybody really wants to go there. and if the, if the english, the british or so that was your by go at it. okay. well, i mean, i agree with george that there is no, but you will be an army. and if indeed that you had to be in, or, you know,

concerned with europe security, it should not create section on it. but it doesn't mean that the bad things are going to happen. i mean that the responsibility of the european union is boundless, said that we're going to go to the dentist on the 2nd time, but least doing ins georgians largely of historians. they will lead to getting to times 1st time with the soviet body, 2nd by with the american army. that's a fire. so there is a breast of them. and if you look at the lead us, you know, merkel who i think with bites america, now you will get a speech us into 1000, please think board. she was not the counselor should be supported the idea of germany participation in the but you know, there are, suppose she used different rhetoric like we have to stand together live tonight states. but if you're spent together with the united states in march, 2003, that means you want to invade iraq. so you, she had been in charge. germans will have been in iraq to just like they were. and

so, and the rhetoric, i mean, the table picture that i see now is that the united states is going to be the and so with china and europe is going to target russia. and i'm, i'm going to call you, i'm going to give you hundreds of calls about that. like the german defense minister, undergrad grove. current bo was visiting the american military base in guam, a little more than a year ago. i think she said the following in europe, our enemy is russia sheer. your enemy is china. so i mean, bureaucratically, you're right, it's going to be a paradise that's both for their own rights on our website. these allows the reviews to double their straight, your personal because if you have a european force, that means in modern times you must have hundreds, thousands, or maybe 3 bureaucrats gauging your jobs and brussels is going to do it. you know,

i understand that perspective here. a bit, george, i don't see the buyer in the belly of the, of the different policies of the european union. i mean, you can have some crazy dutchmen and dana, if you want the car, the baltic, they will always be up in arms about something here. but at the end of the day, or they want to get to spend billions and billions a euro's because they targeted rushed. i don't, i just don't see it. i just don't know. i don't even know. i mean, it's a possibility of us being to suggest that there might be a division of labor within nato. they say, okay, well, you americans, you know, you focus on the south trying to see the shy to see, and we will focus on russia. but the point is that your appeals have lost any of to fight was, i mean, they haven't watched any was for many, many decades. i mean, we've seen how poorly they faulty and i've seen a bully they brought in iraq. it's going to be very hard to see how they're going to start shaping themselves up without the american leadership. i mean,

i think much more likely is we're going to get some revival of those strange interventions in the 970 is which people have forgotten. how a french would fly into prop up to in year and then they, they went into chad, all these strange nonsensical friendship to vanish. like you can't do that with rush back or a gentleman. we're going to go to breaking up that bridge, continue our discussion and some really say with the ah, the ah, ah

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back size or financial survival guide. when customers go buy, you reduce the didn't else well reduce the lower, the better cutting, but what's good for food market? it's not good for the global economy. mm. welcome to prom statler. all things are considered. i'm futile. a bell. this is the home addition. remind you, we're discussing some real names. the rachel is to change gears here in georgia. again in the afterglow of the exit from afghanistan, humiliating one. there's a lot of talk about a new war on terror, the, the necessity of it others are creating

a threat inflation. when you brought my mind something quite interesting that about very few people really want to consider is, was it really ever a war on terror? because it seems that in retrospect over the last 20 years, it's quite selective. because as i said, he learned tradition evacuation math and then then why stay in syria, georgia? oh, that's exactly the issue. because to the extent that ever was a war on sarah that was over and done with by december 2001. when basically the americans thrown out the taliban, pushed out, arrested. all these people taking them to guantanamo bay. what did any of that have to do with the march 2003 invasion of iraq? because i was saying he was no friend of ok. the despite all the in nonsensical propaganda from new yorker and cheney. and he was no friend of ok. the and then

we had the was on libya and syria, the, these governments was very much opposed to the jihad is, i mean, they are, you know, they arrested jihad, is that no time of all them yemen. and then so really what we've had is actually a war on the very government that actually fought against is on a war against these nationalists. secular is government all wrapped up in this phony baloney talk about the global war on terror. and this goes on to this day and if you are, why exactly are americans in syria? oh, they were fighting isis. well, when you know, we've seen a very interesting article this week by air on last day. he points out there's been no fighting against sizes. no, no, no one, the military mission against ice is the boat. so this is now become a rationale for continued america interventions,

military presence around the world. they are fighting isis when in fact, they're doing nothing of the sold will it? and of course, if we look at it live, i mean i, you know, me, the way it's being inlet is being approached and, and in theory is that you have, you come down, you distill it down to, there's good ice has been bad. i think there's good al qaeda and bad, all kind of, i mean be believe the think tank is and they, they hide themselves into wrestles here because it doesn't make any coherent sense . and that's why george is premise that there never was a war on, on terror is absolutely correct because it's very selective. and you use items in all kinds when you need them back up, did i just down the names of the years of war? go ahead. even, well, i'm sure you are going to use us. i'll be in conspiracy theories like how, how just say don't i the stage given fight ice. yes. well, i'm going to use here. all you the facts that kind of mentioned as facts by western

progress. ok, out of 19 her wrist, who can eat the 911? a terrible, terrible respect she p and worse from saudi arabia. ok, one guy was from egypt to others from yemen and denisia. i miss they know that they've sold your radio. it is all that back to denise, you know that egypt ain't that. act, iraq. and again, you don't know these guys was from iraq against the over me leave you. so where is the logic here? and i understand why people are formed of conspiracy theories because the western divisional process, an aggressive country, is just bond a big while your brains conspiracy theory, right? so people have no trust visual information, and that's why sometimes they think of theories of their own. i'm going to stick to fact here. i think george is absolutely correct when he says that these was lot

a war against terror when, when bush invaded stand iraq. i think that even in the states, no, you can read them in the article by daniel and coffee. the war on terror was a war over religion in the, in the more than sense, you know, i think the people in washington and the people in brussels, by the way, genuinely believed that they got a force on their guns. they are new. i your when ya delivery i go, would you, i mean, another nice headline from district a that did gender studies lose. a game has been for us they days because there is no warrant for gender in posh to or in or door or a diary though, and we just spoken in gauge. in fact, there is no charge board in russian, you know? but these people kept pushing them out to more than alternate bro ideas in the society just over. absolutely not prayer for them and that inspire fairies because

they're not state. so the you invaded us why? the of the yugoslav did not commit a single terrorist act. they tried to defend themselves, speak into the press, you know, radiant books. they were silenced, you know, this was not taken into cold. so i think one of the reasons why there are so many tears because you can not have your voice cards in the west. the media, if you're ready and i was trying to do it. but george, you, if it gets found to be in the war on terror is actually a pretty good griff. right. i mean you would get it by a threat and then you prepare for it. you you a ny elated to tacket and then you get, blow back and then you start all over again. i mean, it's pretty convenient, isn't it? i mean, and then again, it's very, very selective. you know, we don't, we don't like that, look, these, your audience are harmless. actually,

they're helpful. these are against that. but i mean, it's all about labels, isn't it? because is we have all pointed out here. maybe not saying an exact word. there's no code here and the theory of the war. busy on terror doesn't exist. oh no, that's right. by now everyone's already found the talking point. yes. yes. yes. the americans is the initial supporters of the g. holidays. the and african. it's done in the 1900 ages. i was already. ok. everyone's up on the page, but it went on, it didn't just and magically, $989.00 america continues to support. jihad is symbolically, i mean, richard holbrooke, in his account of the war, in bosnia boasted boasted that the united states was shipping in jihad is into balls and said all it was the same as when we were backing style. and again, hitler in world war 2. so that's been there, i didn't know that they will. so supposing that jihad is in a church there and what are they doing?

and they are absolutely determined to prevent before and live when it seemed in 2018 that the big government is going to launch an offensive against the americans on the trump threatened to bomb damascus. if they did that. so they be doing this all the time. in playing this game of banking, the good g is which we can unleash against the government that we don't like as opposed to the bad. you will do bad things to us. so, i mean, the american cold by surprise, you know, been lot, and he was on man and he goes the launches this attack on the grateful de la, one of these pathetic things and watching american media, particularly on the 20th anniversary of the events of $911.00 is that, you know, there is, there is a general agreement that the war in afghanistan had to come to an end. yeah, i think that's across the board. ok. of course there are neo com. wanted to see go

on forever. but imbedded in the commentary and the narrative about $911.00 is that it could happen again. and, you know, there are still groups adapt and resisting the thomas and that's the narrative we heard. we heard that 20 years ago. maybe we need to help them. me. they, they said there's temptation of a repetition of constantly. and of course there are be plenty of people with vested interest saying yeah, that might be a good idea. you know? because, you know, we can start from scratch, start all over again. okay. because the taliban are back. ok. and again, there's no coherent understanding and how to fight the is this co so called war on terror? because know in a nice the power to be never taken on a one off basis. so you have to sell this entire bill of goods to the public for it to succeed. go ahead. well, i have my own collection, all the absurd statements from noble american media about american presidents like

drunk said, or we killed that guy. albert died you. why did you q him be lately, which is supposed to be the strong hold of democrats resisting off of variable government? actually often would have killed him before the same story with random or weird maya the car, rachel, they're going to people who resisted more than soviet, i mean, it was just some, you know, sub machine guns. well, it is right. if you're now we have the same situation, africans with machine gun to resistance and even more and more than on, you know, the american or the european honest, guess them. well, i think it was not the american people or the european nations, the more the war guys, but it was the ideology which, which just didn't take into account any peculiarity just of all people. even though i mean look at nature in nature. we have all the species existing in all the fact

that mammals are more of our rep that was done in the trap. i was have to die out in the same way in human society if you can, nor force varied years, which are now except neither states and western europe and which are very, very dubious. you cannot force them on a society in south. i got, i got bad news for here, demon the charge. you're right. a did work in denison. now. the power to be are trying and on half the american public. ok. so they succeed. they failed enough. ganeth them. let's try now in the west, i mean, you're seeing this particularly in the united states of the unwashed, the rubes. ok. this i didn't, you're right. the ideology died in that, but it hasn't died in the west. george. so that is bad things like right. and that is what be happening now in the united states on the biden of the war has been brought home. the war has been brought against the great war. the civil white

supremacy is the tv. and that's the latest. you know that the names changed, but they mean the same people the horrible in here. raise the origin. and i thought, you know, the waging war against a renegade european countries, i mean don't good or bad. hungary, poland. so it's, it's the liberal etiology. that is how targeted against the boss, massive humanity, it just doesn't accept it. and this is indeed why the, the globe, this was the one called the global war. and jerry, which is just simply got this liberal ideology, is still prevalent and you know, $911.00 and all the so what i've done is it's still managed to decide that it's a minister society. and one thing is for sure, gentlemen, it needs an enemy without an enemy. it doesn't exist, it will have no, may have no reason to exist as all the time. we have one thing, my guess in budapest and here in moscow i want to think our viewers for watching us

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