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france is furious. me to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, glen these and and also he is a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as the author of the new book, great power politics in the 4th industrial revolution. and in budapest we have george semi welly, he's a podcast to read the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. are a gentleman, cross stock rules, and that means he can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. always go to george, 1st thing, budapest, george, you know the, if you, if you look at the liberal media in the us, there continue to be obsessed with january 6. even on the 20th anniversary commemoration of $911.00. they had to poll january, thinks into it, and then over the last week we have a story about the joint chiefs of staff, general mark, milly, according to news reports, we have that and have them confirmed. and we know the general be speaking in front

of congress before the end of the month. but instead of saying, oh my goodness, what a breach of the constitution of norms coming from such people. there seems to be scant really interest in it. i mean, he did it because he's a patriot. well, since when breaking the laws. patriotic. yes. this is entirely correct. and we're already used to be around the, during the, from years we had 4 years of the intelligence services actively working to subvert the administration. all duly elected president, and this is what we have in the case of general milly. i mean, let's keep in mind his 1st, according to the woodward book, i mean his 1st meeting or the conference with the chinese took place on october the 3rd before the election. so he is before the election. he gives them

a warning and says, well, i think trump may want to attack you, you know, even when you play weapons and i, the chairman of the joint chiefs will into seed and give you advanced warning. so this is an extraordinary thing. imagine you're going to an advisor is a great power and you're telling this great power that you will come to mom, any orders given by your president. and this is, it was shocking. and then there are further shocking revelation. remember, we had the previous book in which merely was supposedly worried about a qu, organize by trump. and he said, wow, don't worry about a thing, you know, where the guys with the guns which suggest again that he's the military is planning on using guns against the do like a present. and it was, this was all a complete fraud. he was just simply an accumulation of power,

user base of power on the other. milly. i mean, company given no indication that he's going outside the constitution going beyond his power, you know, he's gone to court on everything. some cases. he's won some cases, he's law, but he's always expected every decision of the court. everything you did also the lecture was again, entirely in accordance with the law and the constitution. in apparently, in one of the phone calls, the general mentally tells his counterpart of general lee. i think his name is, is it, there's no political instability. him, you want us to say something about like mean do you believe that there is instability here at bridge general to be doing that out of the chain of command is breathtaking. really scary. ok, glen, i mean, you know, we've seen a deterioration of the rule of law for political purposes in the name of an ideology. george is absolutely right. you could love or hate donald trump there.

it's never been any indication that he wanted to study a start a war anytime, anytime during his administration. and we know because of the poorly sort of president by john bolton. and he had a golden opportunity and in like a 90 minute window to start a war with iran and heat. he stepped back and he was political capital for doing it . so, i mean, it shows that, you know, these institutions have very little value. if you are ideologically possessed, that's what it tells me. go ahead plan. no, i agree. and i think that this a great fair enough trunk would undermine democracy. field is huge system which itself became a threat to democracy. for me. rosen on them is detergents. it's a large expense, the result of what they refer. deep they've now usually people are a person indeed, the very something they're right winger and bring up all over. did they simply

means that you haven't on the, like, on the bureaucrats, on the, like the military leaders supposed to be an instrument of elective obligations. but instead, the beginning them to function to some extent of the independent power and pursuing their own agenda, which can be logical. in this case, often linked closer to the democrats side. and what i was going to call, i'm in general, mainly called china general elite chang behind the president back and gave him a warnings that promised him a warrant if they would use military force. i mean, this is quite extraordinary, respectively, bounding civilian control over the military, and also not the 1st case. again, george was right during a trump areas saw military leaders in the bragging going to the media that they were able to subvert civilian leaders. and by making well, by rejecting the saying that they didn't want to carry outcomes orders,

and they leave the whole is call, they tried to undermine him undermined him time after time. and, you know, general milly pointed out is, you know, they expressed the belief that russia was the real, they're not china. so that's kind of his foreign policy and he is running with it. so it's in glenn if, if, according to general, mainly russia was the primary adversary and we've been out of things. why didn't you call the russians? i think is a point out not this is not just the case. the one about an indication that it is a stomach because you can see, based on the reaction and how the democrats react today. small, nothing below say they seem to be quite fine with how really active and you know, a rows of the controller and the military. so i'm glad you brought up george. this is just not nilly. i mean, this is an unelected official that works in the executive branch concluding when

the speaker of the house. now this is what is called a conspiracy. ok? a real one. ok, inspiring. going around the chain of command. so burning the rule of law and i'm subverting the traditional value principle that the military serves the civilian order. george yeah, yeah, that's right and wrong, but i mean below state is in the legislative branch. she's clearly not in the chain of the wrong. and she's a highly partisan, this is here, but this is, this is she has a very much a political agenda and mentally those perfectly well that she has a political agenda. so when he starts talking to her on the phone, she tells him, well, ignore the orders of the president, and then they, they drifted off in some phony. so we're concerned that he might use nuclear weapons total nonsense. but eventually, what is going on here? gender of the joint chiefs, he's colluding with

a highly partisan legislator to disobey combines they did you like the president? it is absolutely shocking. and so you don't you measure be to that you will be testifying before congress and we know what's going to happen. you there and the democrats will run interference for him. you know, they'll all be asking him the usual questions. you know, general milly, you know, you are a patriot. well, how did you feel when somebody like donald trump came along and started undermining the constitution? what you're feeling when you that's, that's not going to be and so glen glen is right to me. you have the democrats will just quickly happy with it. and it is really quite a shopping face. it was even more shocking here. is that according to milly and well, we know other people are involved if this reporting is true, we have to have that can't be on. it's very important copy on here. but, you know,

trump was criticized endlessly for trying to end wars, and now he's being, being accused of starting a potential war. i mean, he can win for losing this one here. and i'm glad that george brought up. what we can potentially see is congressional testimony. i think we know what the democrats a script is going to be in liberal media. they've already shown their carts here, but i have a lot of doubts that republicans will be particularly aggressive because of the 2 words that you already mentioned in our program. the deep state or the administrative stage of the permanence that whatever you want to call that, ok. because it shows that the, these elected officials either are very dependent on or even fear be in the military and the intelligence community. what we have here is we have an inversion of what the power relations should be. go ahead, glenn. they remember us?

yeah. about a year ago. schumer or in the 2018 or 19. you had the schumer, janet, from if you go against intelligence, i don't see if they have many way of getting back at you and you know, i didn't see anything wrong with this statement. they can act as members and the power. but again, this is what happens when you have other polarized. so this is the political system . if you consider the political position to be illegitimate, then there's no exceptions for this new center of power. effectively intelligent agent in the military to the couple of it from this was deemed to be the legitimate civilian control. effectively accept the part of the resistance to counter the president. so again, i would often going to, it's a bit ironic that the acute, the more time to start a war with china, which, you know, there was no indication they should've mentioned this before calling their chinese 1st. but by the way. and they really around the obstruction that goes to trauma boss when he wanted to pull out from syria when he wanted to pull out from

a gun is done. it was his effort to stop is worth when they really went in to, to block him. so it's, it's very, it's are dangerous development, which is not in the u. s. benefits from, i mean. and i thought it was great that and brought in the comparison with the rush to get years because this all the same intelligence agencies in the, in the branch of power effectively, deliberately spinning different formation that undermining their own precedent because they don't or they didn't agree with this policy and how else can you define this in a deep state if you have on the bureaucrats like the security age of this one run in procedure on foreign policy. it's worse for it's, you know, charge you know, for free for years and, you know, anonymous, anonymous source, whoever that is, you know, ran the new cycle. and then you have to prominent not particularly virtuous people in my opinion, but prominent journalists,

laying out their sources in their and their findings here. and a few people just kind of scratch their head and say, you know what, what, what's tomorrow is whether going to be, i mean it's, there's them in the face that, you know, want to come to terms of that and what the, and any president that comes next, or even the current city, you know, how much competence they have, the military is going to be following them. you don't have that competence finish it up. george said, i knew they really shouldn't have gotten it because the democrats may say, oh, great when you know we've got the, the military on our side, you may not have it because then, you know, you know, who takes gym to the joint chiefs. you may not like the democrats, they clearly feel entirely unencumbered by any constitutional inhibition to it. i mean, we, we talk about russia again, well, i didn't like it's policy towards russia, so i'll take a little jump in here. what goes around comes around, all right, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue discussion and some really stay with

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ah okay, let's go back to glen and also the french are kind of upset right now and i think this statement here we, we have the united states, u. k. and australia, inventing a new i don't know what you call it alliance with, but really official. it is essentially it's a p r campaign at this point. that is, everyone knows that is focused against china. but in the process, a major and submarine deal that the french were counting on went up in smoke without them apparently being notified. and of course the u. s. and the, and the u. k. come in and fill the void. what does this say about nato unity? because and plus, you know, why do you feel if you are the australia and they said to him, harry, b, u, k, you know, doing a bending one of their important allies, friends?

mean, wouldn't you think? maybe they'll do it to me. i mean, a very few people who bought out the implications of this year. this is how you treat allies. i thought trump was the guy that treated allies badly. go ahead with a little often pointed to trump development and began under obama then trunk. and they thought them to come and i think something different. however, this is a much broader change in international system, but it's not a state of new power, which means it will focus less on europe, which means that the irrelevant front in the world will diminish. now it's important to point out the west that the unified region only really developed in opposition to russia when it was the principal after siri during the cold war on the union. and after the cold war, when the west wanted to collect the hedge money which re aligned on marginalized, russia knocked out many times the right, the right to china, changes all of this course. the us, if and resources will now be directed towards asia. and so they will still want the

peons to follow us. lead by the us will be less willing to devote the efforts and resources to europe in our d and something changed. so i think that maybe your p and american interest are also changing their down. prioritizing europe want to be, are being supposed to do so to some extent tempted to go along with this, you know, making, they took out chinese power as well. by the end of the day. america interest is not in europe anymore. so this is, this is why the french, i think, the strategic relevance declining and how i was going to really interpret this a friend how to deal with those trail for $10000000000.00. the us went behind them back, got the deal scraps and put in a new deal. and it's kind of make sense from the american perspective as well because they see the chinese not being the main threat. so they're building up regional security alliances against the chinese in this alliances, cold war, the americans tend to favor trade deals and article transfer them, you know,

having the interconnect focusing more on his life. so simply, the role of france is diminished to fade into europe. really wants to have some relevance, especially problems the really need to have an independent foreign policy because retreat under a us, which doesn't care about that in a more. so i'm sure right now there's someone in paris speaking about the need to charge a new, an independent foreign policy, especially towards china. because then it's like having to reduce the ability for the foreign office and it's better grades relying on the u. s. which doesn't prioritize year of so if it's something more than making and if i did a biden will be different of trump. it says it through to the obsession with child, but he was the force of all evil. it's called national interest. george, me, it kind of choice words coming from the french minister a, but i can quote,

there has been lying duplicity, a major breach tra, didn't, can tell. this will not do well, what are you going to do about it? you, the french died themselves students to do nato, and to the united states. what leverage did they have 0 george? that's why they were notified. her, their feelings well cares. it's nato. we run it. and when we think it's relevant, it's important. if it's not relevant, it's not report. okay. you see, i mean, i think it's almost like child's play. the see the french reaction deigning all this, you know? no. you. you made the bed together and you're left in it. go ahead george. yes, yes, that's exactly right. and where are you, what i yearly should have for now is france, germany in europe will reconsider what made those about what the foreign policy is really about. but it's very unlikely to happen. i mean, you know, 1st of all,

nato has expanded to co, off a whole bunch of states that are rabidly anti russia because what would clearly make sense now for europe would be to, for some kind of a, a working of friendly partnership with russia. i mean all this that that should have been the policy in the 99 that but it's going to be very difficult to do because you've got all of these. they say bohlin and you know the unit, the less frequent romania and so on. well, the and ga day, i'm going to tolerate any kind of move toward a rough, roughly with russia. so what's really going to happen, i think, is what the americans envisage is a division of labor. they say ok, well we're a global, we have the global reach. so we're going to focus on containing china, you, the europeans, you focus on containing russia. and then we'll have this to, you know, dual containment policy. and i suspect,

but eventually those are the french are picking up, they'll be able to go along with it. oh, probably, you know, they, you know, the next meeting of whatever the g 20 or whatever, i'll probably say, yeah. okay. with the u. k. plays a crucial role here because the u. k is in this agreement with contain china agreement. and i've been also blustering about what we're sending our warships into the south china sea. but do you guys also in nato and is going to push a strongly anti russian line. and so it's going to be very difficult. i don't see germany as really having the will to forge a new direction. okay, but we've been glenda that assumes that russia really is a threats to, to the european union. and i would say it's not, but i mean, can, can, can you play that fiction forever? i mean, considering the resources you're going to have to devote to it, i mean, sir. ok, it's still up in the air. what we're going to have the german election, the greens have any kind of bill power. i would tend to agree with george. ok. but

brand certainly doesn't feel that way, italy, spain, and so forth. i mean, it's going to be kind of an internal nature minus us will be the nato members in europe. it's going to be a real interesting squabble. ok, because you end up in a way wag the dog situation with the eastern know these to be in their role in the, the coolant in 2014. and it didn't serve the purpose of mission, but they got stuck with it. i think i get stuck with an anti russian agenda in georgia, suggesting yeah, well, that's the problem. that's how your pm security institutions have been set up where you have got to have a europe completely unified except the largest country. and obviously in europe without becoming or against automatically, you will have conflicts,

someone didn't. so the problem gets them to go back and looking at some of the initial structures in a 990 of course, didn't become an opportunity to make reconsider about the of the, the eastern european members about, you know, they, you know, they're like a want to emmanuel, they just have this rushing component to the foreign policy and what they're loving for. and so but again, for congress like from there, there is a bit of a dilemma. because if you want some strategic relevance in the world, on one hand, traditionally and for the past decades, they're relevant to hinged on the us having a key interest in europe, in the front line against russia, which is why they have a central role. but now that says it's shifting to another place to keep the relevant, should it, or they're coming to us, which doesn't really care about them, but then they will just become independence. they will, will it become even less relevant? or do they try to form their own independent foreign policy break from us, maybe an independent policy towards china and russia?

but in this case, americans might undermine them again or punish them for this or so. then they had to do have a real dilemma simply because the world strict and this, the central god is no longer in europe. this is not where major politics is, what one of the french going to do to remain relevant? obviously, this is the price of being irrelevant. you buy your enemies and you tell your friends, this is. carla can explain this. she surely they can continue this way. they don't, in the germans, they strike deals with russia when the american strike deals with russia and pointed out before the stream. and the probably concerned a little bit as well because, you know, they went against the china is pulling all american ball and they lost a lot of train to the chinese. and a lot of it was picked up by the americans. so they have to start to have a fun point whether or not in their national interest or the bidding on the wrong horse. this is a lot for the stigma. so george americans back

bills. i think that it just continuing with lead was saying here that in all of these calculations, the o. s. is the center of gravity. that's a gravity starts moving around. predictable way in states. wage is less, it's less attractive because what they would have been doing us were had. yeah, well, i think, you know, if the europeans want to be irrelevant, if france wants to be irrelevant and wants to get washington's attention. spanish, are you a foreign policy? the washington doesn't like that. that gets washington's attention. if wrong. a gall. yeah, exactly. if they, if macros saying, hey, i think it's time for a, a new relationship with russia. and he would stop signing. it was sort of agreement visiting russia put in visiting parents, and so that would get washington's attention. if you go wine a, oh please, please, please pay attention to ours, where we're still, frankly involved in the well,

you're watching those that we thought all this, you know, we'll be hearing just for decades. you know, we know that he was going to come round and do what we say in the browser, you know, but a question about germany, but prosperity has an opportunity and out, as you say to you, i goal is the foreign policy. it would then have to go against the u. k, because the u. k. so very influential within nato, and would have to then see what happens with the weather in germany. some new kind of leadership going to merge that will have your really can't just go on hiding behind america wherever you georgia. maybe, you know, not telling them the, their nato outlines they were leaving. then number one, then we have this submarine deal. number 2, in very short succession, we have american patriot missile systems being removed from saudi arabia and other places here. i mean,

a lot of things are moving around right now. one thing is for sure, the, these old in stone principles about foreign policy architecture. they're all moving away, they're crumbling mike, deaf, and oh, and on this, nato has a good opportunity to rethink it. so maybe we think itself out of existence, start talking about its own real national security here. gentlemen would run out of time. want to take my anal slowing in budapest. i want to thank you for watching is guarantee phoenix. time and remember ah ah. while the make no, no borders and the blind teeth emerge,

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