on curtis, the lay of the awesome political landscape. then the question to conference, my former tory minister, cutty and cornel labor and p. williams mentioned that the performance of prime minister board is johnson. and his labor came to secure statements, but 1st year treats messages and emails in response to i show last week on the women of afghanistan. felix says, great discussion again tonight, he didn't guess being able to speak openly. and honestly, it's such a change from the mainstream. well, probably says, so i wonder which country is next to feel to be history and not leave the place alone. panic says, i think it's great, the alex brings forth not only the plight of the scottish people, but also takes time to listen to speak to people who aren't affected by the corruptness. it permits other people and cultures to bring people together. so we can all be educators are not gullible. and finally, william nickel said you need to help everyone in the course of freedom and equality,

not just at home. that is poverty in scotland, but nobody shooting bullets. see it costs nothing to ask if someone feels to the negative when you're angry at the people who make money out of ordinary people suffering. thanks again for your sure. thanks william, for writing it. now, last week was johnson re shuffled his cabinet, dick. but he did so pretty comfortable pulling position with a toys ahead of the opposition as pilot moved towards the term and surprise move, he brought a list just as a tory party for ever women. what is the critique? but have us a ministerial musical jury fits into the overall political landscape. last month, i'll exhausted john curtis to review the prospects as evidenced any opinion. so john comes tumbling to the state of westminster parties. look at live political parties and tell me if you are bought us johnson this note you'd be pretty comfortable with an opinion poll leave well into this tab of parliament,

county is fee up to say things are going. all right. i think there is no job. the bars johnson's position pretty was certainly real. and most of his previous previous prime minister who was enjoying us anything like a story position as one of the boys, johnson county, georgia because i was on average, you're around 6 or 6 will so points of labor in the balls, but you have to be why we all watch nitty 2 and a half years needed to turn our prime minister. right? so the most part, usually by the time, again, remember, i don't know which is behind your positioning. polls enter that extensively as far as johnson is in a rest, stop, desertion. during the drive, despite the fact that it costs the pandemic, at least until the vaccine road was not handled particularly well by the government

. and the u. k. has suffered a relatively high level of morbidity and mortality from rick. i think there are few people would argue no bars. johnson is no really a politician for difficult times. he's a sunshine politician. is $500.00 the pan to the time demick particularly easy. but of course the crucial stable position he's got is the conservative party these days is essentially the party brett's it. the boss borg of each boat comes from lead vices and there isn't really any competition for that lead. but since module for raj, the game reps, your party now reform, you know, speaking of very much for at least 2 sides of the boat is still

saying i going to go to the concert the father brackson still structures how people are going to boat so much just concerned there's a very considerable advantage. in contrast, remain, vote is still divided between the leg well to some degree than it would have cost. i didn't know the board r b s and b. so now the labor party is not only picking up the stay somewhat less than half of that remain on that for, and it's not being particularly successful despite its best endeavors. by, for the most part, i'm not talking about brackson is not succeeding in regaining the abroad. it's not actually vogis. so the legacy abraxas rich while bed is not in that law and you still very have any structuring part choice. i'm because on the remain side, if i was for mantic on the side, it's relatively concentrated. that's giving the consensus, ballast,

that means it's proven very, very difficult for labor to get the can service blair for the center. right. so let's look at the 2 main westminster opposition parties or you cale position parties, column not been labor, skill, stomach, serious, politician knew the thought, see this time see with the prospect. but that doesn't seem to be the case. was a little democrats look like dad is doors or perhaps pilots. but both labor and the little one violates and successes over the summer as the sudden light at the end of the tunnel for, for labor. little democrats. well, mister shaw was suggest trucks is clearly a very clever lawyer. unlike all clever lawyers, he's very good asking questions about detail. he often better be prime minister prime ministers questions. however, of course,

what clever lawyers do is to take a brief that somebody else has written and then prosecuted by the leader of a political party. his job is to write the own brief and to present and to advocate for it and persuaded its match. but i think we're still waiting to see why the storm has the ability to develop his own brief and basically to persuade people to get him some idea what that stands for. and they might want to believe that because the truth is people are very unsure what never bought a stone for certainly not care what other adults can service the labor party, could do any better job in government. and until he comes nice to meet this, it's going to be very difficult for him to profit from the various different please . the government is going to fight. you know, there are purely internal deputies attentions inside this dom,

particularly between the primers to the chance. are we spending your pressures on so she can manage us plenty of opportunities for that, not going to see an export. and that's to care to can begin to start himself and his own party. i bought the liberal democrats as a whole does a by election. you can fanta a bit of hope. may be life and the old dog yet. but just, you know, i mission frankly occurring just the kind of place, whether over crash or what i would want to buy an action to happen. this was a conservative help constituency, however, voted remain in the referendum. and this was precisely the kind of constituency which in the tried to know g direction. the conservative both fell back under the democrats and in the circumstances were by action. what would are

comfortable to do also assisted by right of no issues with h as to when planning was to engage screen labor vibes. i basically took profit from the fact that a lot of conservative traditional conservative bars and that constituency. i'm not exactly and i would always johnson and perhaps it but i never thought was crucial because most of the prospects, most of the constituencies where they are not not fall behind in the wake of the 29, the election are indeed conservative, held to main constituencies but there are many of them, it's a way of them have to find a new market about being able to expand upon when she party. but it is frankly, no more than the beginning, whether or not because unlike labor, i think there is no reason why they should not be trying to appeal to remain

dodgers. this is always being that traditional constituency varnish, why it's crystal leave out to decide except in the vendor and, but frankly, i think it's already been lost. we're got to talk to diversity, graduation party of metropolitan london to very different parties from 3040 years ago. that's probably the new market they have to do. if i had a blade assigned in the opinion, polls more recently that we covered i little. but again, surrender. davey not ship cars. magical pictures usually correspond to take off so much like 16 and not nice to years, post politics to start himself and his party is wrong. finally, so john, if i'm going to something going to come from off site and westminster politics, i mean one of green politics, a huge summit coming up and, and glasgow. is it possible that the green party might finally make

a breakthrough in the 1st past? the post system and surprise us all also something coming from elsewhere that we should be looking out for by overseer. the su scotland as always reminds as soon as possible they under the dash for a party to make a series breakthrough through the 1st for the 1st possible system. i like to remind people we no longer really have a british party system. we are in english and wells far because the conservative north of the border was eventually tracked in 2015. the greens do show some signs of progress. i all want to get around 5 or 6 percent. you be bringing boys they've done had fractures in the past. had a breakthrough in the 1989 year plan of action. they did pretty well between 201-520-7270. started to progress. 70 signs of that potentially able

to pick up votes, one otherwise go to label. democrats for them to do well enough to patch up constituencies law. they've got one or 2 prospects, but they are all quite limited. and it needs a variety of some dr. lucas's been able to make out right. and constituents around you to a local person to be able to read it begins to buy bread brakes are very high to be a local popularity in order to that to the greens clear but so far was more progress. i think in my with the greens are probably capable of doing damage. the opposition part is more like a breakthrough themselves, but certainly climate changes on the agenda and the greens are saying ok to go away professor. so john cut us pulling good extraordinarily. thank you so much for

joining me in simon show. you're welcome. coming a pass to the break. alex invites to former and peace. to run the rule over there ex colleagues. join us in the ah, the i me ah ah, i use

long when i would show the wrong. why don't just don't the world yes to shape out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the parts we choose to look for common ground in welcome back and we'll put school conferences are back. what time the politics back are they still frozen an aspect under the shadow of the pandemic. alex asked legend, victoria, minister cutty, i'm for the labor m p, chris williamson. what to look for in this conference season. america, if i can talk to you 1st. for la tory perspective, looks a bit like playing,

failing at the present moment, hated the opinion, polls i see approach but. but in real terms, i mean little shortages on the shops, the health services kneeling, collapse, even run out of carbon. don't say gas. oven is why the tool is doing so well. when all these things going wrong? wherein soon the situation, i think to margaret that she was back in the 8th, which is that we don't have a majority supporting us. the opposition is split. in those days, your recall, our position was split between the tenant labor paid and the position is between the cash thomas labor and the grange. so taking a significant vote, and you often find we find this in the local election up here. that if you have a constituency award where they opposition has labor and the greens

fighting each other than we roam, perhaps if one of those drops out. for example, if the green but she dropped out as happens in the constituency where i ford, then labor will be a head than the less will be ahead. now, the problems that happen, i think her austin seen as well. they would face any government. and certainly the c o $21.00 is a result of a chapter of accidents. and we're in a better position than many other countries because we have aggressive diversity of energy resources, including some of our own oil and gas. that said, when you get close to a general election, which isn't going to happen, i think until 2024. then every it's got to come right. because williams, why is your old party so unable to partly land a blow on polish johnson, even when he puts his god. but i think there's been

a failure of leadership from caste alma he, one of the leadership on the basis of building on the legacy of jeremy colbin. and unfortunately, a fall from being the unity candidate is the promise to be a spent, his time naval contemplating really in terms of trying to eradicate. and he's kind of socialist elements within the labor party. and of course, is joined in this sort of bipartisan approach in relation to the cobra situation and has been reluctant. it seems to criticize the, the problem minister. you know, the big mistake that the labor party made. and it was something that i was railing about when i was still a member of the parliamentary party. is this commitment to a 2nd referendum and they were perceived as the pro establishment party, which is rather ironic, given the record of the conservative policy in the form of bullying and club member . and the former for barrister johnson is being portrayed as

a sort of anti establishment figure which he was. but my argument was that we should take the concert of his own their own game. and we should have been arguing about last election for getting brock said don't my argument was, let's say we will get back to me on the differences that we will deliver of people's for x. it's not a banker's breaks. and i think the, the fall out from is still with us today, and the policies have a really recovered from the, i think was it was a fatal error. but briefly for chris williamson in defense of stamina. isn't that a difficult for an opposition leader? a time of pod demick crisis a to a man and an opposition rule when the country expects the politicians to be unified and dealing with the panoramic. it's not difficult situation for an opposition with well, i think it was a difficult situation. them in the way in which the conservative government handled upon them, it was catastrophic, and there was no real criticism or bite of the opposition bicycle storm or,

or even from bench. i think that was a real mistake and they, they should have been, i think very, very clearly and belligerently really poor pointing out the failings of, of the government and actually dealing with a situation where life remember that the death rate in britain is, is one of the highest in the world, yet with the, with a 5th biggest economy, was absolutely no justification. it seems to me, in the way in which i think the whole pandemic scenario was dealt with by the government was really forgivable. and that is something i think a lot of people would have looks to and we're looking to the labor party to, to actually point out an offer, offer an alternative. but that was something lucky because for us and mentioned breaks it. that what the tab meaning the, the totally didn't the opinion polls, i mean you as a member of parliament. i remember, well as other notable unified, you're campaigning for the european union, even when it was unpopular and you're,

you're part of it know that you on many of those seem reconciled to breaks that mean is that the, the secret of bought us johnson's opinion? bullied? i think it's very much an important part if we continue to suffer manpower shortages as we are then one of the effects of that is to push up wages. another effect, of course, is to see a scramble by employers and industrialists to invest in better equipment. and that means higher productivity, that actually feeds alex through us as you know, to much more prosperous country. i mean, we have what that me and vacancies for jobs and the, the push that's going on is to open the floodgates and that people come in from europe again. i don't think they would come back in such great numbers anyway. i think this is what's going to happen. i had a conversation this morning with

a friend who's husband is a and stevie driver. but he only works locally. he's seen this way, just go up 20 percent. he's seen some of his friends wages, double. you know what is going to be a very interesting prospect as we get towards the end of this parliament to have much better pay people, particularly the north of england through their own hard work and efforts and not having the cheap competition but come from large numbers of new arrivals, i think people are going to carry on voting conservative on that basis as well. so i watched the statement last week from the prime minister on the i'll get this right. the are us patient defense part. you k is know, enter that into a stay an america i was starting with it was the most passionate, challenging question to the prime minister came from his previous us of the reason a who asked them, does this mean the you case know, committed to the defense of taiwan against the chinese invasion,

not are totally improbable prospect. why guess? the labor benches no longer having people who would stand up and ask about nuclear proliferation or the extent of treaty obligations or any of the key questions that an opposition should be asking under the circumstances where these people gotten 1st, williamson while many of them are being expelled or suspended, of course, and a lot of people are frightened, seems to me to speak them minding chemist alma's labor party. and, you know, we seeing the propaganda building up the, until china, a propaganda building that we should be seeing the opposition speaking out about and opposing. and what we should be doing for is a huge investment in our public services. we have our own sovereign currency, money is no object in this country. we have lots of spare capacity. the only kind of inflation re, oppressions that are generated is when you, when the government spends beyond or any entity in the,

in the economy for that much beyond the capacity to absorb and to see this latest nonsense. it's all cost so called is deal between australia, k, the u. s. is just another example. it seems to me of how out of touch our political leaders all and not dealing with the real issues, the real problems that are confronting everyday people. i'm afraid to say that both new labor and the certainly the conservatives see all public service. this is a cash cow for the private sector. and so that's what we've seen joy, this kind of crisis. lisa, the source of issues, i think the britain butcher issues, the politicians is certainly labor politicians ought to be focusing on. and yet we seem to have this, this cozy consensus going to go into it is yet another example that nuclear proliferation is the key is to almost all again for himself to agree with the prime minister. it's a disgrace that is going to cost you how the different, what all view, but if the question is only 5 years since david cabin was falling over themselves,

the candle up to the, the chinese and the course technically part a massive investment and chinese nuclear technology whitelist. little tediously exporting nuclear technology to, to a scale ya, china as the, as the target. what's going on and when coming. oh, the french were very, very upset about it. not because they had the clue. they really didn't let me think about. it must feel a bit sorry for them because they've lost this huge project, this enormous order fellow, many billions of years worth of diesel powered engines, the french, the traditional enemy. and we're all cases going to do is enable them to have lots of other countries including prompts, which is nuclear power submarines. what the prime minister said last week basically was capital not true. then we go, he said, the united kingdom remains determined to defend international law, and that is

a strong advice we give to our friends across the world and the strong device we give to the government in beijing and other words, regard eyes on you so long as you behave, it's all going to be fine. typed on to the conferences coming up the label going to brighten this weekend and the consensus to manchester the following weekend. because for him to give a conference, mentally that you could share with us on a perfectionist what might go right for, for kill stop. i'm not sure which is going to go right for him. although i think he might be able to drive through the, the changes which he wants to bring to the party. i think the so many memories of party conferences stretching by 40 years in my case. but i suppose the one that really, and he said disappointing more from my perspective, was much actually change the, the, or could have changed the course of history. and that was when tony ben stood for

the leadership of the labor party and, and last by the tiniest of march is any date, have the same proportions in the electoral college being been in place that were in place when tony black was elected leader then tony ben would have been the deputy leader by a substantial majority and how do you been elected in the same basis to jeremy kobe was elected the leader that he would have stolen him with a probably an even bigger majority than, than jeremy achieved. but i just remember that the conference, it's from the vegetable mine memory, really. and there was a level of disappointment because tony been had overwhelming grocery support. he was an incredible communicator. someone who was, it was, it was a towering figure in the political world. and i think he would have been a brilliant leader. indeed, in my opinion, the best prime minister, the britain never had a conference memory for from you for all the, the conservative party conferences and the french events that you went to over the

years as a standing memory of what my me one that might cause bought us johnston pause for thought to see has he prepared to accept the agitation in manchester night 75 was the 1st party conference that margaret thatcher address. as the new leader of the opposition, i went to long and i was newly elected as a city counselor. and i heard her speech talking about how the state should be our servant, not her master, and that we should fight socialism that chris stands for. and i find it very thrilling, very exciting. and i push in so fast to speak, and debates and eventually wasn't being caught. eventually i went up to the speakers desk and i said, why am i not being co, an extremely nice woman call. rachel dutch looked at me and she said, because you are not important enough, diana,

go away and come back when you will. and so i next went to the conference in 1981. by which time i had chad birmingham social services. i was about to chap of your housing becoming a national name. i pushed in my strip. i got to speak. i got shit to the rafters. and the next year i got a doctor's for a seat and the rest, as they say is history. it really caught a chris williamson. thank you so much for pig malik salmon show and giving us your very different but equally well informed points of view. thank you very much. after the paint di boredom of the liberal and s n p online conferences, it's on any political journey unless you're welcome conferences moving from the virtual world to be a world. however, merely holding real conferences does not guarantee a return to the politics, and the government is still benefiting from incumbency in dealing with the national crisis of the pandemic. when i shide to his lifted the challenge with inflation,

the patient, the limiting economic recovery record tie health service waiting was an empty supermarket shelves may well blow the tory ship of state rapidly and substantially . of course, however, it is little saying this yet of a convincing opposition narrative from the labor party, or the new upstarts in the liberal democrats or the dream. given all the reason for making political turbulence, captain boris and his new crew, i don't suppose new possession of steady as she goes. but for now from alex, my cell phone is good bye, stacy. i hope to see you all again next to it. ah . me .

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you know, definitely do benefit the wealthier people and our society. so that makes sense for them to throw it out right off, rather than give it to somebody who could use it. and then that person is not going to buy it. the next stage told for a strategic review of the block, then with france morning, that political dialogue within these days is non existent. as the road deepens over a security deal between alliance members, the u. s. u. k, and australia. europe's worst energy shortage in decades. russell's, the you politicians with consumers facing it should be winter without fuel, may be for this for many escape go to as lawmakers demanded moscow pump small gas plus. but the way the story has captivated the nation has many wondering why not the same.