why just from the pandemic mountain from us next weekend, majorities mr. miners prime minister borders johnson continued his campaign to spread the 20 message to the north of england. on the shore. this week we ask pulling good professor john curtis to assess the lay of the awesome political landscape. then we question to conference. my former tory minister, cutty, i'm calling the labor and t williams mentioned outlining the performance of prime minister borders johnson. i just live, i can't quite sick here scotland, but 1st she treats message an email in response to i show last week on the women of afghanistan. felix, it's great discussion again tonight, heating guess being able to speak openly. and honestly, that's such a change from the mainstream. well, probably says, so i wonder which country is next to feel to be history and not leave the place alone? part of says, i think is great, the alex brings forth not only the plight of a scottish people, but also takes time to listen to speak to people who are affected by the

corruptness that permits other people and coaches to bring people together. so we can all be educators are not gullible. and finally, william nicole says, you need to help everyone in the course of freedom inequality, not just at home. there is poverty in scotland, but nobody shooting bullets. it costs nothing to ask how someone feels to the negatives when you're angry. the people who make money out of ordinary people suffering. thanks again for your show. thanks william for writing it. now last week was johnson re shuffled his cabinet dick, but he did so for the pretty comfortable pulling position with a toy ahead of the opposition as pilot moved towards the chart. and a surprise move he brought and list trust as a tory party. ever women for the secretary, but hi, this a ministerial musical choice fits into the overall political landscape. last month, alex asked to john curtis to review the prospects as evidenced, and the opinion polls. so john comes tumbling to the state of westminster passes,

look at the political parties and tell me if you are bought us johnson this note you'd be pretty comfortable with an opinion poll, leave well into this tab of parliament, county is out and say things are going all right, i think there is no job it's bars. johnston's position pretty was $75.00 and my previous previous prime minister, who was enjoying us anything like a store position by johnson county, georgia because every, on average you're around 6 or $76.00 will so points and labor in the balls, but you had to be why we all watch nearly 2 and a half years needed to just turn the black stuff as prime minister. right? so the most usually by the time begins, remember,

which is behind your position, polls under that extended least boys, johnson is in a rush, me strong position during the drive, despite the fact that it cross the pandemic, at least until the vaccine was not handled particularly well. by the government and has suffered a relative morbidity and mortality, followed by i think the few people would argue no bars. johnson is not really a politician for a difficult time. he's a sunshine politician, just fine hunting the pantry and the time demick particularly easy. but of course, the crucial stable position he's got is the conservative party these days is essentially the party of breakfast devoss park of it's about council league vices. and there isn't really any competition all that lead. but since module for osh has

the guy to talk to you now before, you know, speaking very much doubtful. at least 2 sides of the boat is still saying they're going to berkeley. the concern is that the fact that brett's it's still structures how people can do both so much just a concern as a very considerable advantage. in contrast, remain, vote is still divided between the label to some degree than it would have a cause. i know the border b, s, and p. so now the label park to use that for only picking up usually these days somewhat less than half. we make that for and it's not being particularly successful despite its best endeavors. but for the most part, i'm not talking about racks. it is not succeeding in regaining abroad. it's last monthly. vogis so that the legacy of brett's it's rich while bed is not in that

lions is still very heavy restructuring party choice. and because on the remain side, if i was for magic on the east side, it's relatively concentrated. that's giving the consensus, ballast, that means it's proven very, very difficult for labor to get the conserves blair for the center, right? so let's look at the 2 main westminster opposition parties say you cale position party, call them that. been labor of care, stomach, serious politicians, new to thought and see these times he would prosper. but that doesn't seem to be the case. one of the little democrats looked like davis doors or perhaps products, but both labor and the liberal one violates the success is over the summer as some light at the end of the tunnel for for labor and the little democrats. well, mister shaw was to cast off the truck is pretty

a very clever lawyer. i like all clever lawyers. he's very good asking questions about detail. he often patches the prime minister prime minister's questions. however, of course, more clever lawyers do is to take a brief that somebody else has written and then prosecuted by the leader of a political party. his job is to write that brief and to present and to advocate for it and persuading match. but i think we're still waiting to see why the storm has the ability to develop his own brief and basically to persuade people to give them some idea what that stands for. and they might want to believe that because the truth is people are very on what never bought a stone for, certainly not care what other adults can service the labor party,

could do any better job in government. and until he comes nice to meet this guy who's very difficult for him to profit from the various different police, the government is going to fight. you know, there are clearly internal deputies attentions inside the government, particularly between the primary to the chance that's going to play ours. we don't punish many review pressures on so she can just turn to somebody, probably not going to see an export and that security can begin to start himself and his own party. and how about the liberal democrats as a, as a whole? does a violence can fanta a bit of hope and maybe life a new dog yet, but just, you know, mission frankly occurring just the kind of place where the over crash, what was wanted by an action to happen. this was a conservative help constituency,

however, voted remain in the referendum, and this was precisely the kind of constituency which in the tried to know g direction. the conservative boat fell back across and in the circumstances by action we are got ready to do also assisted by all right. no issues with h. s 2 were planning was to engage screen for labor vibes. i'm basically to profit from the fact there's a lot of conservative, traditional conservative, ours and constituency. i'm not exactly, and i was always johnson and perhaps it but i remember. so it was crucial because most of the prospects, most of the constituencies where they are not, not fall behind in the wake of the 29, the election are indeed conservative, held to main constituencies. but there are many of them. it's a way of them have to find

a new market about being able to expand upon when she party, but it is frankly no more than the beginning where they are at no cost unlike labor. i think there is no reason why they should not be trying to appeal to voters . this is always being that traditional constituency varnish. why? of a traditional lead to decide except in the saw vendor. but finally, i think it's already been lost. we got to our party diversity to graduation party of metropolitan london to very different parties from 30 or 40 years ago. that's probably the new market they have to do that they have signed in the opinion. polls more recently recovered a little. but again, surrender. davey not should buy cars. magical pictures of what our cost. usually congress might be used to take off so much lifecycle needs to use post politics

to start himself and his party is wrong. finally, so john, if i'm going to something going to come from off site in westminster, politics, i mean, what am anita of green politics, a huge summit coming up and, and glasgow. is it possible that the green party might finally make a breakthrough in the 1st past the post system and surprise us all. also something coming from elsewhere that we should be looking out for. why overseer, you, scotland as always reminds me as soon as possible and the end of the dash for a party to make a series breakthrough. for the 1st part of 1st post system, i like to remind people we no longer really have a british party system. we already know english well why? because the conservative knows of the border was eventually cracked in 2015. the greetings do show some signs of progress. i all want to get around pharmaceutical, essentially bringing boys they've done had fractures in the past,

and right through the 1989 year plan of action. they did pretty well between 201-520-7270. saw the progress 70 saw into that tension is able to pick up votes. what otherwise go to label democrats for them to do well enough to start reading constituencies law. they've got one or 2 prospects, but they are quite limited and it needs a variety of some dr. lucas has been able to make up writing constituents around to you to a local person to be able to read it. begins to my brakes are very high to be a local popularity in order to that to the greens korea but so far more progress. i think at the moment greens are probably capable of

doing damage. the opposition part is more than expected breakthrough themselves. but certainly climate changes on the agenda and the greens are saying ok to go away . professor john cost us pulling good. extraordinary, thank you so much for joining me now. examine show. you're welcome. coming up past the break, alex invites 2 former m. p. 's to run the room over their ex colleagues. join us today. ah, ah right now there are 2000000000 people who are overweight or obese. it's profitable to sell food that is fatty and sugary and faulty and addicted. not at the individual level, it's not individual willpower. and if we go on believing that will never change,

that industry has been influencing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment, ah, what's driving the reason for them? it's corporate, me either side as well. i wanted to be support on the problem. i know they stopped in the welcome back and real political conferences are back. what time the politics back or are they still frozen? an aspect under the shadow of the panoramic alex asked the legend. victoria minister cutty and for the labor m. p. chris williamson. what to look for in this

conference season. america, if i can talk to you 1st from la, told a perspective all looks a bit like plain sailing at the present moment. have the opinion polls i see approach but. but in real terms, i mean little shortage is in the shops, the health services kneeling collapse. i must even run out of carbon. don't say gas oven is quite the to do this. well, when all these things going wrong, wherein soon the situation, i think to margaret that she was back in the 80s, which is that we don't have a majority supporting us. the opposition is split in bo say your recall, our position was split between the connex labor paid and now the position is between thomas labor and the grange. so we're taking a significant and you often find we find this in the local election up here. that

if you have a constituency award where they opposition has labor and the greens fighting each other than we roam, perhaps if one of those drops out. for example, if the green but she dropped out just as happens in the constituency where i forward, then labor will be ahead than the less will be ahead. now, the problems that happen, i think, are often seen as well. they would face any government. and certainly the c o $21.00 is a result of a chapter of accidents. and we're in a better position than many other countries because we have aggressive diversity of energy resources, including some of our own oil and gas. that said, when you get close to a general election, which isn't going to happen, i think, until 2024. then every it's got to come right. because williamson, why is your old pastor so unable to partly landa blow on, bought us johnson,

even when he puts his god. but i think there's been a failure of leadership from caste alma, he, one of the leadership on the basis of building on the legacy of jeremy cole date. and unfortunately, a fall from being the unity candidate is a promise to be a spent, his time naval contemplating really in terms of trying to eradicate. and he's kind of socialist elements within the labor party. and of course, is joined in this sort of bipartisan approach in relation to the coven situation and has been reluctant. it seems to criticize the, the problem minister. you know, the big mistake that the labor party made. and it was something that i was railing about when i was still a member of the parliamentary like party. is this commitment to a 2nd referendum and they were perceived as the pro establishment party, which is rather ironic, given the record of the conservative policy in the form of bullying. the club

member and the former for barrister johnson is being portrayed as a sort of anti establishment figure which he was. but my argument was that we should take the conserves his own at their own game. and we should have been arguing about last election for getting brock said don't my argument was, let's say we will get back to me and the difference is that we will deliver people for x. it's not a bankers for exit. and i think very the fall out from a still with us today, and the policies have a really recovered from the other thing was it was a fatal error, but briefly for cash flow in defense of co. sophia's stammered, isn't that a difficult for an opposition leader? a time of prod, demik crisis, a to a man and an opposition rule. when the country expects the politicians to be unified and dealing with a panoramic is not difficult situation for an opposition with well, i think it was a difficult situation. them in the way in which the conservative government handled

upon them, it was catastrophic, and there was no real criticism or a bite of the opposition bicycle storm or, or even from bench. i think that was a real mistake and the they should have been i think very, very clearly and belligerently really poor pointing out the failings of this government and actually dealing with a situation in my life. remember that the death rate in britain is, is one of the highest in the world, yet with the, with a 5th biggest economy, was absolutely no justification. it seems to me, in the way in which i think the whole pandemic scenario we've dealt with by the government was really unforgettable. and that is something i think a lot of people would have looks to. and we're looking to the labor party to, to actually point out an offer, offer an alternative, but that was something lacking. going to come because what us and mentioned breaks that, that what the tab meaning they, they totally didn't the opinion polls. i mean, you as a member of parliament,

i remember, well as other notable unified, you're campaigning for the european union even when it was unpopular and you're, you're part of it. you, on many of those seem reconciled to breaks that mean that the, the secret of bought us johnson's opinion, bullied. i think it's very much an important part. if we continue to suffer manpower shortages as we are. then one of the effects of that is to push up wages. another effect, of course, is to see a scramble by employers and industrialists to invest in better equipment. and that means higher productivity, that actually feeds alex through us as you know, to much more prosperous country. i mean, we have what that may and vacancies for jobs. and the, the push that's going on is to open the floodgates and that people come in from europe again, i don't think they would come back in such great numbers anyway. i think this is

what's going to happen. i had a conversation this morning with a friend whose husband is a, an h t v driver, but he only works locally. he's seen this way, just got 20 percent. he's seen some of his friends way, just double. you know what? that is going to be a very interesting prospect as we get towards the end of this parliament, to have much better paid people, particularly the north of england for their own hard work and efforts and not having the cheap competition that comes from large numbers of new arrivals, i think people are going to carry on voting. conservative on that basis. that's why i watched the statement last week from the prime minister on the. i'll get this right. the us asian defense part, the u. k. is entered into a failure in america. i'm what i'm starting to think was the most path challenging question to the prime minister came from his previous i saw a man who asked them,

does this mean that you case? no. committed to the defense of taiwan against the chinese invasion and not totally improbable prospect. why if the labor benches no longer having people who would stand up and ask about nuclear proliferation or the extent of treaty obligations of any of the key questions, an opposition should be asking under the circumstances we have these people gotten williams while many of them have been expelled or suspended, of course. and a lot of people have fried nazis to me to speak their mind to chemist alma's labor party. and, you know, we seeing the, you know, the propaganda building up, the anti china propaganda building up and we should be seeing the opposition speaking out about and, and opposing what we should be ongoing for is a huge investment in our public services. we have our own sovereign currency, money is no object in this country. we have lots of spare capacity. the only kind

of inflation re, oppressions that are generated is when you, when the government spends beyond or any entity in the, in the economy for that much beyond the capacity to absorb, able to see this latest nonsense. it's all costs, so called deal between australia, k, the u. s. is just another example. it seems to me of how out of touch are political leaders. all they're not dealing with the real issues, the real problems that are confronting everyday people. i'm afraid to say that both new labor and the certainly the conservatives say our public services is a cash cow for the private sector. and so that's what we've seen joy, this kind of crisis. and these are the sorts of issues i think, the britain culture issues, the politicians is certainly labor politicians ought to be focusing on. and yet we seem to have this, this cozy consensus going to go into it is yet another example that nuclear proliferation is the case thomasville. again for himself to agree with the prime minister. it's a disgrace to us, but you hold a different world view. but if the question is only 5 years since david cabin was

falling over himself, the condo up to the, the chinese and the course technically part a massive investment and chinese nuclear technology was list several tediously exporting nuclear technology to, to us trail ya, china as the as the target, what's going on and when coming? oh, the french were very, very upset about it, not based because they had the clue. they really didn't let me think about it. i'm actually sorry for them because they've lost this huge project, this enormous order for many billions of years worth of diesel powered engines. the french, the traditional enemy and we're orcus is going to do is enable them to have what? lots of other countries including prom shop, which is nuclear power submarines. what the prime minister said last week basically

was capital not true. then again, he said the united kingdom remains determined to defend international law. and that is a strong advice we give to our friends across the world and the strong device we give to the government in beijing. in other words, regard is on you so long as you behave, it's all going to be fine. i come to the conference is coming up the labor going to brighten this weekend and the consensus to manchester the the following weekend. because we do have a conference mentally that you could share with us on a protectionist. what might go right for, for kill stop. i'm not sure which is going to go wrong for him, although i think he might be able to drive through the the changes which he wants to bring to the party. i think the so many memories of party conferences stretching by 40 years in my case, but i suppose the one that really and he said to support him from my perspective

was much actually change the the, or could have changed the course of history. and that was one tony, ben stood for the leadership of the labor party and, and last name by the tiniest of march is any date, have the same proportions in the electoral college being, being in place that were in place when tony black was elected leader, then tony ben would have been the deputy leader by a substantial majority and how do you been elected in the same basis to jeremy kobe was elected the leader. then he would have stormed him with a, probably an even bigger majority than, than jeremy achieved. but i just remember that the conference, it's sort of h to mind memory really. and there was a level of disappointment because tony been had overwhelming grocery support. he was an incredible communicator. someone who was a, was a towering figure in the political world. and i think he would have been a brilliant leader. and in my opinion, the best prime minister, the britain never had a conference memory for, from you, for all the,

the conservative party conferences and the french events that you went to over the years as a standing memory of what my me one that might cause brought us johnston pause for thought to see has he prepared to accept the agitation in manchester, 975, was the 1st party conference that margaret thatcher address as the new leader of the opposition. i went along and i was newly elected as above the city counsellor. and i heard her speech talking about how the state should be served, not a master, and that we should fight socialist and take the chris stands for. and i find it very thrilling, very exciting. and i push in, so to speak, and debates and eventually wasn't being cold. eventually i went up to the speakers desk and i said, why am i not being co,

an extremely nice woman call. rachel dutch looked at me and she said, because you are not important enough, diana, go away and come back when you will. and so i next went to the conference in 1981. by which time i had chad birmingham social services. i was about to chap of your housing becoming a national name. i pushed in my strip. i got to speak and i got chit to the rafters . and the next year i got a doctor for a seat and the rest, as they say is history. it really caught a chris williamson. thank you so much for malik simon. show. and giving us your very different but equally well inform point of view. thank you very much. after the paint dry board and the liberal and s n p online conferences. it's on any political, jo, unless you're welcome conferences, moving from the virtual world to view a world. however, merely holding real conferences does not guarantee a return to the politics. and the government is still benefiting from incumbency in

dealing with the national crisis of the pandemic. when i shy to his lifted the view challenges or inflation, the patient, the limiting economic recovery record, ty, health service waiting list, and empty supermarket shells may well blow the torn ship of state rapidly and substantially. of course, however, it is still saying this yet of a convincing opposition narrative from the labor party or the new up search and the liberal democrats, or the dream. given all the vision, making political turbulence, captain, board, us and his new crew. i didn't expose the position of steady as you go. but for now from alex, miss l from all is good bye, stacy. i'm hope to see you all again next to it. ah. me

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