logically, lo, this more than intelligence may mean anything from the divine lines to the distinct human ability to apply knowledge to information about the enemy. as well as the agencies that obtaining what turns information into intelligence. can intelligence be john? and what goes into sharing intelligence with your adversary of to discuss that i'm now joined by the director of russia for an intelligence service center that is going to give us to can thank you for joining us today. there is no, let's start with the most burning issue on the international agenda. yes. is draw from can your summer where she can move her different assessments in the russian media ideological, political, strategic. my question for you is, was, how will this affect the methods your agency uses and the priorities you said in the street, jerry chip that i bought the luscious little weather going lucian. first of all, i should say that the foreign intelligence service, and he has always had

a special focus on afghanistan and he's been near me as he had seals that because of it was strategic location, tranny you or she little as well as potential and actual terrorist threats coming from that country. she is a jeweler, is still going to stun neil. some stones was clear after the us and its allies invaded afghanistan. the territory of destroy any the rebel and thinking of the international community has been that the americans had everything under control. was that? yeah. and the gunston she was, situation was getting better in place was the us and nato military presence that the human being viewed as a solid and barrier to the terrorist threat, but didn't allow it to spread further into eurasia. the rosie nice. so you

scare bras, transfer then you unfortunately knew that that wasn't true. possibly we were the voice plus the mixed. i mean, you can, so you see americans withdrew, ease of use, done and fled from afghanistan was issued. and we now see the ruins, they left behind a devastated economy war. and as we'll terrorists roaming free, get all the roast deepening, conflicts between different ethnic gretna and her acura. most of your mand increased drug and gun trafficking. what you could control monday at ocean one. do you think it will be harder for you to work there? now, well, thank you yet. so glad you get that was the picture commute that's reassuring you see that all of the regional powers in the area of the issue on the door. not really that concerned with normalizing situation in afghanistan. when it's done,

you know. sure. so we should compete, then see shift again, that new stuff in relation countries as the get china in india. but can i get done about iran and of course russia, i see e with in this respect. but she was very important for intelligence agencies to work together, but we cannot leave those ones because as i can tell you right now, we partner with practically all the countries that i named did our needs are in constant contact with colleagues within the intelligence community. but newer sky, joe, look, snatched me, polygamy, says you're doing, just let me just that's why i missed both that i love up to me i want to a half ago i had an opportunity to try to make a motion with that. that's not your cost is idea, but again, this is santa eurasia,

somewhere in the battle for influx and all the lenient on prevalence, old notion is getting any meaning. now some countries like rushing shy and have been able to balance their interests. it's very, as soon as they're asked for the fact finding the issue acceptable approach and she knows what to think ought to regional players will be able to do the same. got comcast, china and russia are strategic partner schools. yeah. what about india and pakistan, for example, just on the very different stories and the figure iran turkey in the book is stung down section to get the machine. yeah, iran to me when you mentioned is big new brzezinski genes? correct? yup. well, my thought of another thing he said in one of his interview was to review the message. i think it was back in the late 1991 skulked store. he mentioned a memo, he wrote to president counter done on, on the day that the soviet troops entered a gun stone finishing the slow abbey and read what we now have the opportunity

of giving to the ussr was more its own vietnam war of substance. but yes, he was glad, and i think americans have ended up in that trap with level school. ah, he suggest. and now the future of the country sued by in the hands of the gun people and the 1st and foremost can use some of guns. ah, but like i said, we'll kill just cancel it in the best interests of all regional dial as to see the see here be peaceful and stable. development of afghan has done, sir, because we want to hear the voice of the gunny people as soon as possible. beulah justice taliban. and at more than 3, it was that all the other ethnic groups as well. you don't get valuable from them.

usually, do you need just group you're active dialogue between the countries in this region your now when you do it, he or someone else. and if you feel the shanghai cooperation organization being the best platform for these talks to few days ago, that champagne hosted a joint seo and c s t o summit attended by the leaders of all the member states. and of course i've kind of done was one of the issues, the summit focused on thing and look at them. yellow go can, you know, we, naturally, i, e was, i will have to include western countries in that dialogue as well. what, which number i do think that, that participation will make sense, or they have to realize that it's because of their actions doesn't ex gunners done suffered significant losses. but judy, what e and it's their responsibility to provide financial assistance so that the country

can rebuild its normal life, hence stability, security and she's new, a positive social pressure wash of czar's part of west virginia. yes. of lackey professionally failing to come up, or that if a house to, to asians, my developer, according to their report of some kindness on government, was supposed to be in control for at least 69. and just as a professional intelligence officer to say the real and miss made the american colleagues just being scape, go back, no rush committee, can you get that? yes, nation. i wouldn't want to be in the shoes of our colleagues from the central intelligence agency right now. and the dealer you but it's not about them. rather, it's not just about them central and, but as you had been traveling, you, jill. if tom, everything that happened in africa, law of goodness, stanley eat the very rushed withdraw. you and the fleeing of the hop. if government

ready to turn it on, a consequence of bank of america's destructive policies by you to gain senior next that if i muted k, e are leaning with the crap because it tried to been own social development model of the country of afghanistan. what do you know about the there are many guilty parties in this situation. what you see, i would make it simpler. we have no problem yet. can you see me just so a bottle name should be sham. of defense, military intelligence agencies, west department of state. and the office of the national security advisor pass missed, you know, but again, sometime the cia, it's just, it is a part of the larger mechanism. therefore share the blame usually

menu, not phantom. but i'm also convinced that the us leadership had all the intelligence about the situation on the ground. the hand about potential developments. when you're done you customer with us said, beecham. i mean, i didn't take into account one thing, actually, their own capabilities. and you didn't want to face the truth if you will dismiss it. if you said to, to provide you the glass. and the truth is that the u. s. is no longer capable of playing the role of global hagaman to yet to move the role which had had assigned to itself. since we took a web glove, belinda, give me 11 and i can log across. the question about, i think it is for us discussing the current international polish subject defined but the american political leadership might have in recent week by the president

biden has been saying that domestic security is priority, i think is more important the next friday and my clarity is that there's only i got that sometimes it feels like so my staff members of the russian president's office are among his lie to present that i got some ideas very similar to our security doctrine. interesting because of which thing that i see that's pretty new because up most of the states that security inside the country does the most important goal strongly. what we numbers were to think this month is now let's see if we can predict, did they really mean it or is it just your rhetorical excuse? we're stuck. we're can we expect a less in conventional s g s policy in the near future city? unfortunately, perspective is science, menial. interview sanskrit. come back the other school, i would say, let's take some statements by the president of the united states of america and

others in his office. and that seems to be the maiden reaction to the disgraceful abandonment of afghanistan as of no use of goodness done hutcher. however, i miss lottery knows what she can do, carry their own weight slower. if you talk about something fall long enough, that only tends to program everybody's thinking in a certain way or with her tomorrow. certain principals, well yes, the speak programs himself and also to some extent, shapes the reality and we'll play or will themes. but we also know that what the leader of the united states says new and what he actually does. not always the same thing. yes. we're already witnessing new aggressive plans being develop. thank you . patching blum's. luckily to shop us is trying to retain control over the territory by boosting its presence in the central asian countries.

restaurants to be city by you see from the central me with the bureau, steroids. i think the recent initiative to form another strategic alliance between the united states like the u. k. a young and australia. younger stuff. if you really could be danny, need a strongly, what's that about it? so time will tell been published. not that we have to be vigilant, not paper wing. i have often said, said moscow, consider, as a boy, a pot nation has been defined the partnership. how do you personally set reasonable limits of trusts? michelle assistance for caution one was she eve pharaohs and i think jim the developments in the modern day international relations generate a lot of new risks. easiest risks. the risks that we never

seen before. sna that calls for cooperation between security agencies and intelligence services by at the mall. which is why we maintain broad ties with virtually every intelligence service in the world. including the c i see in the mirror function slid use syndrome. and as the other, which i'm trying to can, she said i'd be highly washed upfront. her doctor, the nature and level of our relations with the cia and the f. b, i read them was very different, vastly different from our cooperation with the respective agencies of the c s t o. that's the collective security treaty organization. and for the sake of the commonwealth of independent states or china and india. again, a level and nature of relations are different, not water to do it. can you trust intelligence data from

a state that ultimately use our country as an adverse to disrupt, to flay our body scientific quotes from the latest annual strength assessment for the intelligence q. so growth of the way the same document was chair, reason as a less stress than russia born in these guys, joe, my cousin rosen star name at us. you know, i've said this many times we said again see and you know, we genuinely value the cooperation. we have with partners from the central intelligence agency when it comes to fighting global terrorism. the future terrorists activities are a real and presence threat and the work we do together to combat it is beneficial to both countries. on the i personally believe that the changing international situation is you don't count the recent developments in afghanistan union, she sees media if don't hear bad news. all they provide are american partners the

you go to oppertunity, but to reassess the current threat rankings. yes. me see you she said you need him, ross, growth or phrase, shift our priority. i don't know they did not, i should not do monthly. they will one day realize that the terrorist threat and that was a monitor. now a truly global problem was the lenient that me and once they do the renewal, well then now we can all go back to having a struct if a good and mutually beneficial interaction you guys can. but you are to me, we have to take a very short break now, but we'll be back in just a few moments state you and me i

look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, accept where's the short or conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at the point, obviously is to create truck rather than fear like take on various jobs with artificial intelligence, real summoning with a robot must protect its own existence with exist you know, life it's diverse. that's what makes it interesting. when you have a monoculture, it's dangerously monochromatic. like when you have only one strain,

a banana and a banana gets sick. and now there's no more bananas because there's no more diversity the me a welcome back to wells far as this game can win director of russia for an intelligence service game, gish megabyte or so we addressed the stress. i want to ask you a question about ethics each. give us the way of your interview. we often talk about things in moral or even ground. yeah. and while intelligent and count intelligent professionals, client know you have to be overly sentimental to have some kind of an own of hold you or do it ends always justify the means she's when defending one's homeland

a proud of the word shown with just as good as he had get one in foreign intelligence, the maxim, the ends justify the means doesn't always apply. yet there's no history for an example. a look up when you spin yet what was done in the latter part of the 1930s of those when there was a sense of massive conflict looming on the horizon vision that nazi germany was building up, its military could get a minute surveyor political leadership. well, it needed in tell about plans and intentions. you said one of those sort is how was a very marked general get i'll get him in front of he had the information and he also had had a particular weakness, years for the native proceedings of football finance rather than

yes, you will. the plan will develop and blunt then you buy the assignment is entrusted to a very experienced by handle beautiful women of the agency, birth and crap, drenching u. z one via of us christians, guy or him can. and i was not going to study the assignment and said, then you will take on the missions i would, and i'll get the intel. but after it's done, i'll shoot myself in the head. listen to her and modified the assignment, sniffed. randall just minion. eventually the soviet leadership did receive the intel dub with the southern the little guy was just on the so you one the and we're going to continue to serve country region. the you today, she is recognized as one of russia's most legendary spies as each go down to the alligator thinking of new technologies. i'm sure you know that,

and i know western media, russia foreign intelligence service is often mentioned in connection with the hot bath. it's alice, you have denied in your connection multiple times with us today is level of cyber technology. so for us to have a cyber warfare for your c o for defense and how much dr. com costs, do you think the international community will, at some point, you're willing to recognize the exist use of these for more than introduce certain strain, you could keep that like live nuclear web design. you're pretty near of caution. yeah. you know, we're still thinking about the solar wind cyber attacks is attributed to our intelligence service companion, solar install. it is evil in, you know, actually i was allocations a groundless in my interview with the medicine of not id, excited me publicly available information from the hearings that took place early

this year into special committees of the u. s. congress. that if american to meet the par as the committee on television and the homeland security committee began sky companions, community and these leading us companies in the area of cyber security and cyber offensives. why microsoft crowds striking 5 i r i v all stated after investigation that took months. good young them the was a bit, you projection sufficient. unions could give me just a future asleep when you're doing syngenta new. glover, you're still, you still have no evidence pointing to any stacy being responsible for you, but with dustin, for the bomb. i don't agree with him. you know, the strategic reinforcement of security needs to know, can you naturally you have to monitor all developments in this domain. has to mean

you love, now it's that we can't let ourselves fall behind was more and we must be able to insure the national security that and the, and that includes cybersecurity with native store. as you probably know that russia has been active across multiple international platforms. we're trying to establish a global system of information security bus is not running from suddenly because our past and to frederick, i'm just i'm said you can see our partners building up their own offensive cyber capabilities. we need to punch in the get them. so got things like in the us and nato member state, so i can assure the viewers and the listeners of this program vintage that russia can be. and we'll guarantee information security yet behind georgia. presage was, i would also like to ask about the hopes that for media often present, connected to the rational halogens. i'm talking about the so called have on

a syndrome. i cheated. your symptoms can include headache, hearing and balance. union was role as long term brain damage for me to come that us servicemen until tomorrow have allegedly been diagnosed with war can abroad, i believe, a weapon that could cause this might exist from a technical perspective wash. so if have any of your staff experienced and a similar head or health issue, you, you dog him, you know, when you know, yeah, you know, when i 1st started working and this failed, who knew it was with soviet scientific and technical intelligence had as yet. so i took an interest in those kinds of things and probably need the notion if you're doing use now still, i know that even back then last year with me in the west was actively researching how different electromagnetic waves and oscillations might affect the human brain can be binding july, you just ski mosque,

some concluding whether or not they might attentively help control a human mind taking leg influence behavior which took a few question about whether or not any russian foreign intelligence office isn't really when you have experienced anything like that in any country as you have kid, i smell the way really answer is either, but we definitely know you how curious about the subject of technology call advance. i wanted to ask you about your position on the origin of ours call he school. you said on the number of occasions, usually if the virus could naturally he's just an empty tray, but more and more of your counterparts you chose to call western counterparts and lots of his up color, nicky, him skeptical is by them over the and she on the south, which is i'm, i just think that if you change just som centers in the last few months machine, you prescription, you don't get us as a bus. maybe you can, you know,

snowing. i would say this virus behavior in a very, a typical way, leisure mind if you has never encountered anything like, could be for sure that, you know, look at how many people have died, how badly they came in. there was, some damage might be more devastating than the actual world. so many people have been a member of the family, which i'm going to just know. well, 1st of all, i really must say that it's only 2 scientists to and me. you could be all like apologists, cyro, ologist would be, who will be able to give us a final answer to that question. but those nature i can show them working on it, but it's trying to determine the truth on the phone with that you just recently fashion to every minute that the last year. so the u. s. intelligence published the report on it was the lot and it contained just very vague and even st. politicized

assessment. you know, when the, i think you can, you know, this is unusual for intelligence agencies. also look on professional and yet she has and i think that's the reason behind with this crisis that us intelligence finds itself, myatt and you know, which date and because of the attempts to politicize it's activity is worth the paper. we stick to the theory that it's of natural origin. will he or she? and that is one corresponds with you what? most research as a thinking oceans or at the store at the nearest spirit you nourish? well, i have a few minutes last hotel and i would like to ask you about a fairly unusual type of your office design for namely for historical intelligence stuff. i know you have specialist such for and study document with can with the chain the command, the in the sense that you get information with and make conclusions that ends up in

the hands of the head. so that the leadership can make decisions based on that. that's the deputy edition. well just so and then of what she's shipping, i think what you're talking about is mainly all of those documents that we have in abundance in our archives. how are you? if you think we do study those archive. i thoroughly hope in the me at the we try to find and declassify any documents. my tom validus event or on that you need is submit your process. you know, i mean, we have unfilled and gone on to publish it bleached and you have a great many documents of p thinking from the period way in the way of the pre world war period. mostly, well on the and post world war 2, the time with video as time passed, the 900 thirty's, so 19 forties and even the 1950s maybe while left the most controversial shirts for

debates over the causes at world war 2 of the war itself. and the aftermath and we, of course, up now helping historians prove the truth that we believe in the cause that documents are a big help in that problem there. interesting because he is the community adult. she gave one the best seller. if you thank you for time or best of luck, this is no matter where your professional pursuits take you. i thank you for taking an interest in the russian foreign intelligence service and thank you for watching hope hope to see you again next week on worlds apart. from me the me

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