the robot must protect its own existence with join me every 1st day on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics, sport, business and show business. i'll see you then. me the me, the me i turn the welcome to the part of the english language. it's hard to find a more ontologically low this more than intelligence may mean anything from the

divine line to the distinct human ability to apply knowledge to information about the enemy. as well as the agencies tasks, that's painting. what turns information into intelligence, can intelligence be done? and what goes into sharing intelligence with your adversary? that i'm now joined by the director of russia, or an intelligence service center that is going to give us to nourish can thank you for joining us today. so let's start with the most burning show on the international agenda. yes, his draw from can you start a new summer where she can move her different assessments in the russian media ideological, political, strategic. my question for you is just was, how will this affect the message your agency uses and the priorities you said in this regionally chip that i bought the luscious blue with them to join motion. first of all, i should say that the foreign intelligence service has always had

a special focus on i've got this done and me as he had seals that because of it was strategic location tranny you or she little as well as potential and actual terrorist threats coming from that country, she is a jeweler, is still going to stun neil. some sto was clear after the us and its allies invaded afghanistan, the territory of the stanley. the prevalent thinking of the international community has been that the americans had everything under control and was that, yeah, i mean cancer and she was, situation was getting better in the us and nato military present that you've been viewed as a solid and barrier to the terrorist threat that didn't allow it to spread further into your raise. yeah. you just the rosie novice actually you but our transfer. so

then you unfortunately knew that that wasn't true. possibly, we were the voice plus the mixed guns use the americans withdrew, ease of use, done, and fled from afghanistan was received. and we now see the ruins they left behind. a devastated economy war as will terrorists roaming free, get all the roast deepening conflicts between different ethnic grid. and her extra was w, amanda increased drug and gun trafficking. what you can eat contrib monday at ocean one. do you think it will be harder for you to walk there now? was that you yet? so glad you get. that was the picture commute. it's reassuring to say that all of the regional powers in the area, they issue the door. nobody is concerned with

normalizing situation in afghanistan, and that's when it's done, you know, should. so we should compete then see shift agenda and rough, its the central asian countries as the gift china in india. can i get done? iran, and of course, russia, i see e wedding this respect boshra is it's very important for intelligence agencies to work together. gonnelli those ones because as i can tell you right now, we partner with practically all the countries that i named our needs that are in constant contact with colleagues within the intelligence community. but newer sky look, snatching me, polygamy says you're doing you still with me just a 2nd while i missed both. i love that to me on to a half ago, i had an opportunity to try to make a motion with that. that's not your cost. a lot of ganeth, she just sent out of your asia somewhere in the battle for infra and leon,

you won't be able to, old notion is getting a new meaning. now, some countries like rushing shy and have been able to balance their interest, synchronize their ask for the finding the issue except simple approach. and she knows what to think ought to regional players will be able to do the same. got comcast, china and russia are strategic partner schools. yeah. what about india and pakistan on a very different story than the figure iran turkey in the book is stung down section to get the machine. yeah. iran food sent me when you mentioned big new brzezinski genes, correct. yup, well my thought of another thing he said in one of his interview was to review the message. i think it was back in the late 1991 because the store, he mentioned a memo, he wrote to president counter done on on that day that the soviet troops entered a gun. us done, finishing the slow, i mean,

and read what we now have the opportunity of giving to the ussr was its own vietnam war of you've substantive, you know, but he was glad and i think americans have ended up in that trap with level school. ah, he suggest, and now the future of the country sued by is in the hands of the gun. a people 1st and foremost, some you have guns. ah. but like i said, her what? yes. castle, it's in the best interests of all regional dial as to see the see here. be peaceful and stable, development of gunners done, sir, because we want to hear the voice of the gunny people as soon as possible. beulah justice taliban. and at more than 3, it was that all the other ethnic groups as well, he got to tell you before they need to do, do you need just group,

you're active dialogue between the countries in this region. your know when you do it the or some, and i didn't that if you, with the shanghai cooperation organization being the best platform for the talk to you a few days ago to champagne, hosted a joint c o and c s t o summit attended by the leaders of all the member states and of course i've kind of town, was one of the issues the summit focused on his thing and look at him. yellow go can, you know, we naturally, he will have to include western countries in that dialogue as well with you, which is not always glad i do think that that participation will make sense. or they have to realize that it's because of their actions that gun has done suffered significant losses. but city, what is their responsibility to provide financial assistance so that the country

can rebuild its normal life and stability, security and she's new. a lot of pressure wash of czar sky west. yes. to use the of lucky, professional. failing to come up or that assessment of how situations my developer according to their report, kindness on government was supposed to be in control for at least 69 and as a professional intelligence officer to say they're real and maybe american colleagues such as scape go back no rush, committee cost you got that? yes. nation. i wouldn't want to be in the shoes of our colleagues from the central intelligence agency right now, and the deal that you, but it's not about them. or rather, it's not just about them control him because he had been traveling you jill, if tom, everything that's happened and i've got a lot of good news, tiny. 3 ether,

queen mary rushed withdraw you and the fleeing of the hop, if government reduced to when you turn it on a consequence of what america's destructive policy is by you to gain senior. and if that, if a miracle ear are leaning with the crap because it tried to own social development model on the country of afghanistan, what do you know about the there are many guilty parties in this situation. what you see, i need some time where we had no problem yet. can you see me just about what aim should be shared by the defense mandatory intelligence agencies, west department of state and the office of the national security advisor because our past missed, you know, but again, i didn't, i never, i ca, he just is a part of the larger mechanism as well and therefore shares the blame usually

menu, not phantom. but i'm also convinced that the u. s. leadership had all the intelligence about the situation on the ground unless you hand about potential developments. when you're done with those you submitted. and you know, they didn't take into account one thing, actually. their own capabilities. and you didn't want to face the truth if you will . the smoking is if you had to, to provide you valesa. the truth is the us is no longer capable of playing the role of global hagaman in to get to the role which had had assigned to itself. since we took a white glove, belinda, give me one, was in atlanta chilmark across the question of i think it is for us discussing the current international polish subject to define the american political leadership. minute in recent week by the president biden has been saying that domestic security

is priority and it is more important than exports and your last name, jim, i cried g as that will. there's only i got that cuz sometimes it feels like so. my staff, members of the russian president's office are i'm on his speech slide to present that. i've got some ideas that very similar to our security doctoring. interesting part of which is that i see that premium does up us, most of which states that security inside the country is up to the most important goal. strongly what we number's going to think they'd never see if you can predict . did they really mean it or is adjusted rhetorical excuse for the word? can we expect a less intervention with g s. policy in the near future? freedom switched me perspective science mean intervention sang escapes cousin back near the school. i would say, let's take some statements by the president of the united states of america and

others in his office. and that seems to be at the p. f in maiden reaction to the disgraceful abandonment of afghanistan as of no use of been done. hutcher whether you slept in those words, do carry their own weight slower. if you talk about something fall long enough that only and tends to program everybody's thinking in a certain way with her tomorrow. certain principles. well, yes, the speak up programs himself and also to some extent, shapes the reality and hopefully we'll themes. but we also know that what the leader of the united states says what he actually does. not always the same thing just as we're all ready witnessing new aggressive plans being developed. thank you . patching blum's not going to shop us is trying to retain control over the territory why testing its presence in the central asian countries,

restaurants to be so you see from the central ne periods. so take the recent initiative to form another strategic alliance between the united states that you like the u. k. a young and australia. younger stuff, if you will be danny australia. what's that about it? so time will tell me about gushed, not that we have to be vigilant, not pay the wing. i have often said, said moscow, consider as a boy upon nature and then to find the partnership. how do you personally set reasonable limits of trust? and number michelle assistance for caution one was she eve pharaohs in this too? and i think in the developments in the modern day, international relations generate a lot of new risks. easiest def. the risks that we never

seen before. sna their goals for co operation between security agencies and intelligence services. but at the more me, which is why we maintain broad ties with virtually every intelligence service in the world, including the c i. since been me mirror sumptuously use syndrome as the other with the routing at the country. so you have upfront hierarchy of the nature and level of our relations with the cia and the f. b. i was very different, vastly different from our co operation with the respective agencies of the c s t o . that's the collective security treaty organization. and for the sake of the commonwealth of independent states or china and india. again, a level and nature of relations are different, not water to do it. can you trust and talent and data from

a state that also reduce our country as an adverse area. i disrupt to flay our bodies that direct quotes from the latest annual spread assessment for the intelligence, the sha growth of either way or the same document with chair reason as the less stress than russia born in these good jo, my cousin rosa starting us, you know i've said this many times, we know that again, we genuinely value the cooperation. we have with partners from the central intelligence agency when it comes to fighting global terrorism. these teaching, the terrorist activities are a real and present threat and the work we do together to combat it is beneficial to both countries. you see on the, i personally believe that the changing international situation is you don't remember recent developments enough canister. you should see the media if don't you see a bustling news provide our american partners there you go to opportunity,

but to reassess that current threat rankings. yes. mislead me. she said you reach him. ross, growth or phrases are priority is never they did not. i should not do monthly, they will one day realize that the terrorist threat and there was a monitor now a truly global problem. what was the lenient me and once they do the new me sir? well then, now we can all go back to having a constructive aim of a good and mutually beneficial interaction. you guys can, you know, to me, we have to take a very short break now, but we'll be back in just a few moments. stay tuned for me. i

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i welcome back to worlds a far as best game can be director of russia foreign intelligence service even longer or so we addressed the stress. i want to talk more question about ethics each. give us the way afraid of your interview. we often talk about things, moral or yeah. and while intelligence and county and tell engineer professional, no 50 bill over listen to mental, have some kind of an own of hold you or do it ends always justify the means she's when defending one homeland, a proud the would show not just as revisions as yet give one and foreign intelligence liberal, the maxim, the ends justify the means doesn't always apply, you know, send a history for an example of where you spin it. north started

in the latter part of the 19 sat is those and there was a sense of massive conflict looming on the horizon. and the vision, the nazi germany was building up its military could get a minute that a soviet political leadership. well, it needed intel about plans and intentions. you said one of those sources was a very general general government. in fact, he had the information and he also had had because particular weakness, years for the ladies proceedings of football, finance rather than yes, your plan will develop. and blunt daniel, the assignment is entrusted to a very experienced by beautiful women of britain christ drenching 01 of us christians, guy or him can. and i was not going, she studied the assignment and said, i will take on the mission and i'll get the intel. but afterwards done,

i'll shoot myself in the head. just listen to her and modified the assignment. smith, blundell just minion. eventually the soviet leadership did receive the intel w in the little guy was to stand the one the and we're going to continue to serve her country region. the you today, she is recognized as one of russia's most legendary spies as each. now go down to the alligator thinking of new technologies. i'm sure you know that and they know what the media rushes for. an intelligence service is often mentioned in connection with the hot bath. it's alice. they have denied a new connection multiple times when you have today's level of fiber technology. so for us to have a cyber warfare for your fuel, both for defense and of how much extra comcast do you think the international

community will at some point, you're willing to recognize the existing of these for more than introduce certain strain to keep that like living nuclear web or when you're putting the schedule. yeah. you know, we're still thinking about the solar wind cyber attacks has been attributed to our intelligence services companion, solar install. it is the lenient she didn't know why she was allocations groundless . in my interview with him at a set of id, excited me publicly available information from the hearings that took place early this year into special committees of the us congress. that the american community part as the committee on an elegance and the homeland security committee. gantski, companions, community and these leading us companies in the area of cyber security and cyber offensives. why microsoft kind of crowd striking for ira

all stated the after investigation that took months or get new them the was a big production sufficient. unions could give mr. fled to and yet doing syngenta new belinda still you still have no evidence pointing to any state being responsible for you but was dusted for the bomb. i don't, i agree that students can, you know, the strategic reinforcement of security needs to know can you just have to monitor all developments in this domain to mean that we can't let ourselves fall behind was more and we must be able to insure the national security that and the, and that includes cybersecurity with nature, as you probably know that russia has been active across multiple international platforms. we're trying to establish a global system of information security. deposit is narrowed me from suddenly

because our past and if i check on you said you can see our partners building up their own offensive cyber capabilities. we need to punch in the get them so got food notes in the us and nato members type. so i can assure the viewers and the listeners of this program is a vintage that russia can be and will guarantee information security. yeah, behavioral issues. presage was i would also like to ask about the hope of that for media often present, connected to the of hello agent and the wrong. com, talking about the so called havana syndrome. i see it are you still symptoms? candidate quote, headache. you both hearing and balance, as well as long term brain damage to cause that your service men and tip thomas, have allegedly been diagnosed with war can abroad. i believe, a weapon that could cause this might exist from a technical perspective wash. so if have any of your staff experienced and

a similar head or health issue, you do them, you know, well, you know? yeah, which know, when i 1st started working and this failed, who knew it as it was with soviet scientific and technical intelligence. as you can see with so i took an interest in those kinds of things and probably notion if you're doing use now still, i know that even back here with me in the west was actively researching how different electromagnetic waves and oscillations might affect the human brain can be binding to luggage. a sky was storm concluding whether or not they might have potentially help control a human mind taking leg influenced behavior or would feel question about whether or not any russian foreign intelligence officers and really will not have experienced anything like that in any country with us yet, can i smell the way? really answer is either, but we definitely know how curious about the subject of technological

advance. i want to ask you about your position on the origin of ours call. he school. you said on the number of occasions, usually if the virus could naturally, he's just an empty tray, but more and more of your counterparts, you would just call a western counterparts. and lots of this up and skeptical isn't fighting over the general sales, which is i'm, i just think that is how do you change just som centers in the last few months machine you prescribe, though this is a possibility if snowing, our service virus behavior in a very, a typical way, leisure mind if she has never encountered anything like it before, she can look at how many people died, how badly the academy was, tells me some damage might be more devastating than the actual was. so many people have been ahead of going to bovine in the family, which i'm going to just know,

well, 1st of all, i really must say that it's only up to the scientists and me. you could be all micro biologists your fire ologist would who will be able to give us a final answer to that question. but those nature i can show them working on it. but just trying to determine the truth on the phone with you, you know, just recently fashion to really mean that the last year. so the u. s. intelligence published the report on it was the lot. and it contained very vague and even st politicized assessment here in the same kid stuck in your sna. this is unusual for intelligence agencies. also look right on professional. and yet, she has, and i think that's the reason behind the crisis that us intelligence and finds itself mild and which date and because of the attempt to politicize its activities

. work by the way, the theory that it's of natural origin room here see. and that is one corresponds with you what most research as a thinking oceans or at the store at the nearest gradual spiritual scenario. well, i have a few minutes last. yeah, you're welcome. hi john. i would like to ask you about a fairly unusual type of your office design false, namely, for historical intelligence stuff i know you have specialist for and study document with can with the chain the command in the sense that to get information and make conclusions that end up in the hands of the head of your faith so that the leadership can make decisions based on that. that's the deputy nancy edition. well yes, it can then, which is tipping you i think what you're talking about is mainly all of those documents that we have in abundance in our archives you. if you move,

we do study those archive. i thoroughly hope in the me at the we try to find and declassify any documents that my to shed light on this event or on that see in the submit your process. you know, we have on field and gone on to publish pretty that the police see a very great many documents of dating from the period way in the one of the pre world war period was the one, the post world war 2 time to the video as time passed a the 1900 thirty's. so 19 forties, even the 1950s maybe left the most controversial shirts for debates over the causes of world war to the war itself. and the aftermath you never say again. we of course, up now helping historians prove the truth that we believe in because they documents are a big help in that problem. that are interesting because he is the community adult

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