thanks for the rights of many, to pay more taxes or more coming up in today's going underground at 1st at the un general assembly, which finishes today in new york, us president joe biden said bombs and bullets can defend against coven 19 or future variance. but that hasn't stopped minting a new security packed with the candle straightly to build a fleet of nuclear submarines while un secretary general antonio terrorist warns of a new cold war. what will be the true cost of further western nuclear proliferation . joining me now from sidney is the australian director of the nobel peace prize winning international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. jim ramos, thanks so much jim for coming on as the australian director. i'm going to ask you, 1st of all, what your reaction was when you 1st heard about the submarine deal. probably expressions a bit like president macro, but for different reasons. maybe. yeah, this shocks might be on a bit complex. you know, doesn't really make sense. and we're hoping that you'd be very great on

the start attention region. we know that it's not a real skeptical motivation behind it. and we are in election week in the next month. so, you know, we, i think that it's, that stage will continue to monitor and they won't come out the negotiating period to now that's wrong with this deal, specifically about the nuclear element. but away from the politics. there was a deal anyway with france is a concern that allegedly u. k. u s. in which uranium is 93 to 97 percent. which can be used to make nuclear weapons. yeah, that's actually unprecedented or a country. sure why nuclear propel summary when it doesn't have nuclear

weapons, we would be the only country to do and if it's a serious concern for the libo, not diffraction, and by god regimes, because we'd be looking at probably employing well using us for the highlander. sure. right. and that's, that's. d what grade material, sorry we would be exploiting other polling in the fraction tree which hasn't happened before. and we said it's very much, it's something that would provide other countries. you might to get new summary as well. and of course, that re unraveling locally for nonproliferation regime. and our also will know what they made for the future. we know that the prime minister currently he's not thinking to develop

a domestic and all that good that we want more than that. he's why don't we want to say that's really commit to never do that. and if it's the hardest reference of another country, and the best way for them to do that is to ratify the treaty on the you have the treaty behind you there on the wall, but as you say, it's got more, as i said, we will continue to meet our nonproliferation treaty obligations, so i mean on the face of it and nothing in here and certainly that is what was johnson joe biden, the little girl morrison say is this has nothing to do with the n p t. yeah, well that's one condition that opposition has put on this deal with relists to make sure that it comply with the have. but there are many commentators that up already not $10.00 off and they have reason they will be

interested well and when there is great k, the amount of material here. and now around in the world, increasing the number of how this is not in the re, for what is my security risk in the construction where it would be built to be hard. it's also increasing the risk that the baby in the event of a new or conventional target are and that would make messages off. doesn't radiological contamination or read economy type. they work for it. yeah. so from the threat of terror attacks you, you think that adelaide may be a big target? well, allied in firefox made it to be a city where they would be constructed. and then the question that any,

any thought i would become a target for congressional attack. and that's not the whole thing that the people are like happy about that come out of where it's not something that public has been passed about and that doesn't crate out a baby, but it's harder. and the government has already to the level of debate, as you say, the opposition, talking about details are not about the fundamental axiomatic idea of having weapons to attack china. why? i mean, they keep talking about the indo pacific. i presume you think this is about china? why would australia need even submarines, nuclear submarines without nuclear weapons on to patrol waters against australia is number one trading partner. yeah, this isn't

a trailer here and they got a lot of politics. i'm not sure why it's really operating in general. their arguments, government, foliage, certainly the, you know, the french went on to years and costs and over time. and it's not a huge, huge cost. i'm all right now what i did a few 1000000000 on the french deal and going up with my $2000000000.00 match, propel submarine, deal with us. and you could be at least all of that. are we going to have to question the utility and the meditation behind it? but we know it's noted this isn't a very early stage and they'll be an 18 month period. are looking at what, what the domain, what options are. so it's something that can be reversed and they should be way

hearing nothing about it being reversed from johnson in london or, or biden in, in d. c. i have to say, and i mean, could this could be optimistic version of the events in the past few days. i mean, it could it inspire detachment from maybe talking to china and other european union countries, realizing that they don't want military confrontation, little and conflict with the most powerful economic, the most powerful country in the world of this century. well, i think the liner and perhaps one of the would be that it's really realizing that it needs to do more work in this region. now, pretending that we are basically a deputy sheriff of the united states and we're happy to do it being especially when it comes to nuclear weapons by the law saying that new zealand

that's really propelled submarines would not be able to answer it. what is the way here from the governments of malaysia, and he's needed the washer about big about about provocation and asked me to reframe from this is before i find on the piece, you know, right. and if i can ok, that's for your country. well, i mean, in taking and striking this deal, i don't send that utilizing carrier nuclear. i know that in the u. k, then you have a current government that wants to increase the cap on your own, you know, by 40 percent reducing clear contravention of history and then be

united states has 6000 you are, this is not the direction should be taking. this is not the kind of company that we should be keeping when it comes to me and taking it there. i think our military for our region, obviously the british government denies that it is in breach of the m p t. with this upgrading of even tried and nuclear weapons stationed in scotland, i know that new zealand has already said they don't want the submarines even coming through their waters. you know that again and again as opposition grows to this, we will be assured here in britain and the american population will be assured that nuclear weapons don't even fit on these submarines. i understand that when they're ordered by the australian government, they carry some sort of missile battery platform which can be upgraded in some way . and they would need that before nuclear weapons can be attached to the submarines

. yeah, we would really need to ensure that there's no way that the submarine could be capable and who needs to be sure that i would not be assisting with your credit or use use of nuclear weapons where they are. and so we don't want to be contributing to the new fugit, also be sorry, i think stations aren't guaranteed about things. and as i mentioned, the best thing that to ensure that we become part of the nuclear lying mission, just very much what you're trying to public does not want in general where the population. but the best way we can be short on that is it's a joint venture 80, i mean you're a nobel peace prize winning organization. you no doubt try and lobby australian politicians. do you think organizations like yours just can compete with the

lobbyists of the military industrial complex? as regards your parliament as parliamentarians here let alone k street and washington? well, we don't, we don't have the budget that they have. we don't have access to the carriers that they have really broad and growing pains. it's made off of union parliamentarian council lawyers may professional nations people and we know that we will join battery. this is something that will become law to the country and we have the obligation to sign a treaty in government. and we expect to say government now the deal doesn't necessarily complain for joining new battery. as

long as they are nuclear weapons capable of one thing in a capacity. sorry, we'll have to say how about 5 now? nary written yes. growing generals. thank you. thank you very much. after the break, as you, as president joe biden, to fight his own party on taxing the rich, is there any chance me a liberal politicians can make millionaires pay their fair share? we ask a former black manager director is now fighting for exactly that. all listen more coming up about to going underground the the ah ah,

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ah, ah, welcome back. it's been 10 years since occupy wall street spread around the world fighting for a different economic system in the past few days, even conservative u. k prime minister bars johnson and new york for the un general assembly appeared to be questioning. astronauts millionaire jeff bezos is astronomical wealth. but for a much more radical perspective, i'm joined from new york by a former managing director, black rock morris, poorly chance something called patriotic millionaires. thanks so much worse for coming on, you know, in the past few days of these famous attacks on a o. c,

for that dress of the $30000.00 ticket met gullah, you could have maybe designed the dress. just tell us what patriarch 1000000 as is. we are a group of hundreds of wealthy business people and investors. and we understand that there's a growing inequality both here in our nation and in the kingdom and western europe is just unsustainable. it's not gonna work. people have learned that you can't continue to let the rich get richer and richer and richer, and everyone else not get ahead. it has to be changed, or our society is going to fall apart. so, you know, you are like, you are the class enemy actually before the for her, anyone thinks that what you're saying there is just a copy of nancy pelosi or a o. c in the squad. even that book you got the book front piece behind you. if anyone reads that or sees the things that you've been saying,

you are more radical than the people on the hill. we in some ways, yes, we believe that rich investors should pay the same tax rates as people who work for a living. and that shouldn't be radical. currently, in our system, people like me who don't work. i just sit here and watch the numbers in my computer screen and see that i'm getting richer and richer every day. i pay tax rates far less than people who work in this building, running our elevators as a percentage of my income. and there's something wrong with that. and people are realizing that here in new york, you know, it was 100 meters right over there, where a o c was wearing that white dress. and people are realizing that all over the world . and we have to do something about it before. it's too late. yeah, but obviously joe, by nancy pelosi then all members of your patriotic m millionaires that section and

they go to sleep at night and their investment income goes up. why do you think? historically, people have not seen investment income as something that should be tax the same as the person who's manning the lift. well i think some of that have, we had did tax investment and come the same as regular income some years ago. so it's not like we've never have but i think lately our politicians are lawmakers spend too much time talking to rich donors because they have to raise money all the time. and they don't have enough time to spend with the rest of their constituents may give them a different point of view. they know very well the problems of being rich. i mean not that there are problems being rich but such as there are. and i don't think they have time to understand the problems everyone else i was in

a cocktail party right over there. and a penthouse and park avenue, or one of our united states senators some years ago. oh, it's a good thing. i'm not a self funder, like some of these other people are because the only the events like this, i get to meet regular people. and i thought to myself, this is so ridiculous that you think nowhere near your constituents that you're meeting regular people who pay thousands of dollars to have a glass of wine and a few minutes to talk to you. and it's sad because they, i think after many years they start to believe that that the people that they spend time with all the time the rich donors are the people. and of course there are people who don't want to pay taxes. and frankly, that's the keyless possession, but that is some people's possession, but we'll get to get to them in a 2nd. but the, the myths come from kane street, the media obviously, which is also financed by big companies interested in limiting tax. i think you

make the point that the great 1900 fifty's a years of growth for maybe not for people of color. arguably the tax rate was substantially higher than it is today. and americans theoretically, think of it as a golden era. yeah. ken lang gone, the guy was his name on the big hospital, nice side, and the guy who helped start a huge business on depo, one of the largest businesses in our country. he paid a tax of 70 percent. and he lived in new york when he started that business. and now he's going around complaining though, if i have to pay more than 20 something percent, the civilization will end or something like that. it's just not right. as he said, we've done very well with people paying far higher tax rates and they're paying now and we should, we should have the funding here in america to do the kinds of things that we need

to do to make america what it is. now i don't only do this, but the have to be that devil's advocate and say, you know, you're forgetting about the philanthropic la jess of the rich who can personally choose where to put a 1000000000 here, a 1000000000 there. that's way better than you are. democratically accountable vision will look sure. if i want to build a new concert hall, i could easily raise a couple $100000000.00 from people who want their name on the new concert. but we also need other things. we also need a sewage treatment center way over there, 143rd street. we also need schools over there and the neighborhoods were poor people live. we also need our streets fixed. we need a lot of things that are not done with philanthropy. and we want to live in a democracy. we want to live in a society where people decide through their elected representatives, how to spend society's resources. i do not want to live in a country where

a few rich people make all the decisions. and yes, well, plenty of concert halls, but what a lot of people who you don't see because they live, you know, a little bit farther away. who don't have the resources they need to just buy every day. i mean, this kind of infrastructure spending, i mean, was advocated by bernie sanders. of course, we know from wiki leaks the way that the dnc lots of dirty tricks by the clinton campaign, against, against bernie sanders was pursuing these kinds of policies. i mean, would you think that people just don't know that more than $40000000.00 people tonight will not be able be able to eat without the snap food stamp program, which is of course paid for by taxes? well, i think there are some people who just don't care. they've been told for 40 years since ronald reagan ran for president. that, oh, the government is not the solution. the government is the problem. they see the pictures of the ronald reagan right around his ranch on his horse. you know,

that's how americans should be no help from the government. not taking into account the fact that government provides all of the resources for the electricity and water and everything else. you need and they just have this sort of ideally vision in their mind that the rich people put there. that government is bad. everyone should just do their own thing by themselves. and yeah, that works great if you happen to be a billionaire, but that doesn't work for almost anyone else. this country was founded by a bunch of people coming from united kingdom, creating things called commonwealths, the commonwealth of virginia and the commonwealth of massachusetts. the commonwealth of pennsylvania were created because they knew we needed common wealth . they needed, they knew they need to put their money together to do things that none of them could do individually. and that's what they did. and that's what we still need to do. we need common wealth, we need americans putting their money together. and that's the we have

a word for that. it's called taxes to do things that we can do individually and to provide for the rest of americans who we actually need to help our shelves get rich . i need middle class people who can afford to buy expensive shoes and expensive telephones and expensive ice cream and all those things in order for me to get rich by investing companies to make shoes and ice cream and telephones and things like that. i'm not purely altruistic. i'm looking out for what i think is the best interests of my self and my family and my society. and i think all american should do that. obviously a little native americans killed in that origin story. of course you say you need this, but couldn't you just be selling things overseas and they have a private gated life where even infrastructure like water is bottled, where your risk private security guards there instead of the n y b, d, and live in the near future way that increasingly apparently is the,

is the way late capitalism works well. i suppose some people are doing right. i don't want to. well, that's not how most people want to live. i mean, i guess there are some people who do want to live that way, but most people don't. of course, there is a lot in the global science about in, in quality during corona virus, as regards vaccines in health care. but do you think there's a possibility that the pandemic could have toward the american people that were only as strong as each other? i mean, i suppose it could have, i don't think that it did. i think we're making progress because i think we're seeing it just even more obviously how some of our people are doing so much worse. you know, a quarter of our people lost their jobs at some point during the throne of iris thing. but yet the richest among us are getting richer and richer and richer. we've had the greatest increase in the value of the stock market in the history of our

country during a pandemic. because some of our companies, like amazon, has been doing so much better, that people are made billions and billions of dollars. and people are seeing inequality get worse. so i think one possible silver lining to this crazy pandemic, is that the, any quality, our country's becoming even more obvious and even more clear? and our government is finally doing something? well, amazon runs a very tax efficient system. jeff bezos made up with the u. k. prime minister bars johnson, i think it was quite impressed by him. very recently i have to ask you, given that ever grand the massive chinese companies and all the headlines, you are a black rock people talking about exposure to black rock. do you think it's possible that of a bailout, a massive bailout? again, we're still living the consequences in the western economic crisis, arguably the full of lehman the tax pay has the poorest will need to be used to

bailout your old company, black rock, and who knows who else? no, no, i actually don't think so. even black rock is not a company that, that actually invested money and things black rock, this company that, that earns fees by advising people on invest. yes, the death of the chinese property company, but it's also opaque. we don't know a bit like we pay past with the we witness. it's difficult to review a yes. i mean, i don't know what's happening in china. i barely understand everything is happening here and here in the united states. so i'm going to concentrate on that. and just finally i go to was, why do you think the journalists, who interview you, because you do appear in other channels in the us? if they seem to think that what you're saying is so revolutionary, are they also in this trickle down economics mindset? well, it is because so few people are speaking out and i go on fox news and they introduce

me is either either some crazy personal entertain you for a few minutes or some guy with some idea of so reverend. no one's ever even thought of it before and both of those are fine. but everyone should be thinking this way and a lot of people are, but they just don't feel like speaking out. and so that's what we're trying to do is to get the americans who are being silent, to speak out and not have those few people who are frankly, greedy, taking up all of the bandwidth of our elected representatives. morris, paul, thank you. thank you for being a sure has a shout when we back home. when's is the president rush? we're talking let me put in the rest of title one meeting. so g, after you, in general assembly meeting, which secretary general antonio the chair, has warned that humanity is on the edge of an abyss until then keep in touch with us through all that social media. and let us know if you think fair taxes can solve your liberalism problems.

the ah, me, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally,

i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk the lack of universal healthcare makes america the country of every man for himself . we have a retirement crisis in this country and we have a health care crisis for seniors in this country as well. so private business has come up with a special mechanism for that. it's called a life settlement market. we are a life settlement provider, which means that we buy life insurance policies from primarily seniors throughout the united states who no longer want or can afford their life insurance policies. if you are sick and for want to live a few more years, you can sell your life insurance. that way you get more money right away and the company collects your insurance payment off to your dad. there's

a group of people out there, i guess, hoping that people die soon. what kind of motivation is i give them when i start crying about them dying? that's usually what it's about. it's just the sheer unfairness of it all. the angle american sponsor appears to have come up short in germany, the federal election of the rival, social democrats inch ahead for the 1st place. in the preliminary results, we'll have special coverage holds bill to be an extremely tight race for the chance to ship in the week stores here and i'll have the russian sales pair move the law of 6 people killed in a universe to shooting. our correspondent traces the steps of the gunman. deadly ron page. this is the exact road the perpetrator took while he was carrying out his vicious.