sensually feeling the need to take sides many nations in the pacific. indonesia, malaysia and new zealand have expressed the same authorization and sorrows or real concern that this will lead to increased proliferation pressure, militarization and a lack of certainty, trust and confidence in the region. it's already been folks in japan and south korea about their submarine plate, developing a nuclear capability given stria has been my now since. and while china's recent overtures are well unlikely to win over paris, frances alienation from allies over the walk as security packed. it's already a win for beijing, with the program for this half hour here on the international. thanks so much for joining us. and he stories is an update on you may have missed for that matter. just log on to r t dot com went back soon with mom. i

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a deal with australia nuclear submarines at the expense of france. we ask the australian director of the nobel peace prize winning international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. if this could be the opening salvo of the war on china, and as suspicions rise about tax bailouts for ever granted. like black rock, we speak to one former black rock, managing director, fighting trickle down economics for the rights of many to pay more taxes or more coming up in today's going underground. at 1st, at the un general assembly, which finishes today in new york, us president joe biden said bombs and bullets can defend against coven 19 or future variance. but that hasn't stopped minting a new security packed with the u. k. to straightly to build a fleet of nuclear submarines while un secretary general antonio terrorist warns of a new cold war, what will be the true cost of further western nuclear proliferation. joining me now from sidney is the australian director of the nobel peace prize winning international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. jim ramos, thanks so much jim for coming on as the australian director. i'm going to ask you, 1st of all,

what your reaction was when you 1st heard about the submarine deal. probably expressions a bit like president macro, but for different reasons. maybe. yeah. my and be honest, complex, you know, doesn't really make sense and very great on the start attention region. it's not a real skeptical motivation behind it. and we are doing an election week in the next 6 months. so, you know, we, i think that it's stage will continue to monitor and they won't come out the negotiating period to now that's wrong with this deal, specifically about the nuclear element. but away from the politics. there was

a deal anyway with france is a concern. the allegedly u. k. u s. heidi in which uranium is $93.00 to $97.00 preserves. which can be used to make nuclear weapons. yeah, that's actually on cream or a country. sure. why nuclear propel summary when it doesn't have and your weapons would be the only country to do? and if it's a serious concern for the libo, not the fraction and god frame because we'd be looking at probably in quoting or using us for the highlander issue. right. and as you said, and that's, that's. d what grade material we would be exploiting other polling in the fraction treaty which hasn't happened before. and we said it's very much,

it's something that would provide other countries you might to get out summary as well. and of course, that re unraveling locally for nonproliferation regime and our content will know what they've made for the future. we know that the prime minister, currently he's not thinking to develop a domestic and all that good that we want more than that. he's why don't we want to say that's really commit to do that. and if it's the heart of another country, and we say the best way for them to do that is to ratify the treaty on the yeah, you have the treaty behind you there on the wall, but as you say, it's got morrison said we will continue to meet our nonproliferation treaty obligations, so i mean on the face of it and nothing in here and certainly that is what bar johnson joe biden,

the little girl morrison say is this has nothing to do with the n p t. yeah, well that's one of condition opposition has put on this deal with relists to make sure that it comply would be. but there are many expert and commentators that up already and or off and they have to be interested well and when there is great k, the amount of material around in the world increasing the number of how this is not in the re for one of my security risk in the port construction where it would be built to be harvested. it's also increasing the risk that the baby in the event of

a nuclear or conventional target are and what that would may make is offices and radiological contamination or rediscover they take, they work for it. yeah. slide from the threats of terror attacks you. you think that adelaide may be a big target? well, i like to be, i see where the summary would be constructed. and then the question that any, any thought i would the common topic for conventional attack. and that's not something that the people i like happy about the come out. we're not something that public has been passed, it's about us. and um, it does increase our average goes being that it's harder and the government has already to the level of debates. as you say, the opposition talking about details are not about the fundamental axiomatic idea

of having weapons to attack china. why? i mean, they keep talking about the indo pacific. i presume you think this is about china? why would australia need even submarines, nuclear submarines without nuclear weapons on to patrol waters against australia? is number one trading partner. yeah, this is a major issue here and they pensions. it's got a lot of politics. i'm not sure why that's really covering in general there i government, which certainly, you know, the french went on to years and i've cost over time. and it's not a huge, huge cross. i'm already now regarding a few 1000000000 on the french deal and going up with my $2000000000.00. and now my

match, propel submarine, do us, could be at least all that are we have to question the utility and motivation behind it. but we know that this is a very early stage and they'll be an 18 month period. are looking at what, what the domain, what options are. so it's something that can be reversed and that should be well way hearing nothing about it being reversed from a bars. johnson in london or, or biden in, in d. c. i have to say, and i mean, could this could be optimistic version of the events in the past few days. i mean, it could it inspire, detachment, france, maybe talking to china and other european union countries, realizing that they don't want military confrontation, little and conflict with the most powerful economic, the most powerful country in the world of the century. well,

not just face the liners, and perhaps one of the would be that it's really realizing that it needs to do more work in this region. now, pretending that we are basically a deputy sheriff of the united states, and we're happy to do it, especially when it comes to nuclear weapons. but you know, ready to live and you know, the same. so that new zealand trailing propeller would not be able to answer it. what is the way here from the governments of malaysia and he's major the washer, about big about about provocation and asked me to refrain from competition. this is before the contract, fine on the piece, you know, right. and if i can ok, that's for your country. well, i mean in taking that and striking this deal,

i don't send that utilizing carrier nuclear you know that in the u. k. then you have a current government that wants to increase the cap on your own, you know, by 40 percent reducing clear contravention of the tree and then be united states has 6000. you are. this is not the direction they should be taking. this is not the kind of company that we should be keeping when it comes to me and taking their i think our military not by for our region. obviously, the british government denies that it is in breach of the m p t with this upgrading of even tried and nuclear weapons stationed in scotland. i know that new zealand is already said. they don't want the submarines even coming through their waters. you

know that again and again as opposition grows to is we will be assured here in britain and the american population will be assured that nuclear weapons don't even fit on these submarines. i understand that when they're ordered by the australian government, they carry some sort of missile battery platform which can be upgraded in some way . and they would need that before nuclear weapons can be attached to the submarines . yeah, we would really need to ensure that that's why the submarines could be capable and who needs to be sure that i would not be assisting with your credit or use use of nuclear weapons where they are. and so we don't want to be contributing to it for them. sorry, i think stations aren't, have guarantees about things. and as i mentioned, the best thing that really hurt to ensure that we don't have to become part of the

nuclear lying mission, to very much what the public does not want in general, where a population. but the best way we can be shown that it is to join the trade . i mean, you're a nobel peace prize winning organization. you no doubt try and lobby australian politicians. do you think organizations like yours just can't compete with the lobbyists of the military industrial complex as regards your parliament as the parliamentarians here let alone k street and washington? well, we don't, we don't have the budget that they have and we don't have access to the parents that they have. we do have a broad and growing campaign. it's made up of union parliamentarians, council lawyers making professional nations people manage. and we

try to use the remote join battery. this is something that will become a hot country and we have a position to sign a treaty in government. and we expect to say government now the deal doesn't necessarily complain for joining a new battery. as long as they are nuclear weapons capable in the one that they are not being in a capacity. sorry, i will have to say how about 5 now. there is reason. yes, growing general. thank you. thank you very much. after the break, as you, as president joe biden, to fight his own party on taxing the rich, is there any chance me a liberal politicians can make millionaires pay their fair share? we ask a form of like, what matters you, director, is now fighting for exactly that. all this is coming up about to going underground

. when i would say wrong. why don't just don't the rules. yes, to fill out this thing because the kid an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. the. the news. welcome back. it's been 10 years since ok, by wall street spread around the world, fighting for a different economic system in the past few days, even conservative, u. k. prime minister johnson and new york for the un general assembly appeared to

be questioning. asteroids millionaire jeff bezos is astronomical. wealth, but for a much more radical perspective, i'm joined now from new york by a former managing director of black rock morris poly chan. something called patriotic millionaires. thanks so much worse for coming on, you know, in the past few days with these famous attacks on a o. c, for that dress of the $30000.00 ticket met gullah, you could have maybe designed the dress. just tell us what patriarch melia as is we are a group of hundreds of wealthy business people and investors. and we understand that there's a growing inequality both here in our nation. and in the you can either kingdom and western europe is just unsustainable. it's not gonna work. people have learned that you can't continue to let the rich get richer and richer and richer, and everyone else not get ahead. it has to be changed,

or our society is going to fall apart. so, you know, you are like, you are the class enemy actually before the for her, anyone thinks that what you're saying there is just a copy of nancy pelosi or a o. c in the squad. even that book you got the book front piece behind you. if anyone reads that or sees the things that you've been saying, you are more radical than the people on the hill way in some ways. yes, we believe that rich investors should pay the same tax rates as people who work for a living. and that shouldn't be radical. currently, in our system, people like me who don't work. i just sit here and watch the numbers in my computer screen and see that i'm getting richer and richer every day. i pay tax rates far less than people who work in this building, running our elevators as a percentage of my income. and there's something wrong with that. and people are realizing that here in new york, you know,

it was 100 meters right over there where she was wearing that white dress and people are realizing that all over the world and we have to do something about it before it's too late. yeah. but obviously joe by nancy pelosi then all members of your patriotic m millionaires section and they go to sleep at night and their investment income goes up. why do you think historically people have not seen investment income as something that should be taxed the same as the person who's manning the lift? well, i think some of that have, we had did tax investment and come the same as regular income some years ago. so it's not like we've never have but i think lately our politicians are lawmakers spend too much time talking to rich donors because they have to raise money all the

time. and they don't have enough time to spend with the rest of their constituents may give them a different point of view. they know very well the problems of being rach. i mean, not that there are problems being rich, but such as there are and i don't think they have time to understand the problem, that one else i was in a cocktail party right over there in a penthouse. i'm park avenue where one of our united states senators some years ago . so, oh, good thing. i'm not a self funder. like some of these other people are because only the events like this. i got to meet regular people and i thought to myself, this is so ridiculous that you think nowhere near your constituents that you're meeting regular people who pay thousands of dollars to have a glass of wine and a few minutes to talk to you. and it's sad because they, i think after many years, they start to believe that that the people that they spend time with all the time

the rich donors are the people. and of course, there are people who don't want to pay taxes. and frankly, that's a pick us possession, but that is some people's possession, but we'll get to get to them in a 2nd. but the, the myths come from k street, the media, obviously, which is also financed by big companies interested in limiting tax. i think you make the point that the great at 1900 fifty's a years of growth for maybe not for people of color. arguably the tax rate was substantially higher than it is today. and americans theoretically, think of it as a golden era. yeah. ken lang gone, the guy was his name on the big hospital, nice side, and the guy who helped start a huge business home depot. one of the largest is mrs. in our country. he paid a tax of 70 percent and he lived in new york when he started that business. and now he's going around complaining though,

if i have to pay more than 20 something percent civilization will end or something like that. it's just not right. as you said, we've done very well with people paying far higher tax rates than they're paying now and we should, we should have the funding here in america. could do the kinds of things that we need to do to make america what it is. now i don't only do this, but the have to be that devil's advocate and say, you know, you're forgetting about the philanthropic la jess of the rich who can personally choose where to put a 1000000000 here, a 1000000000 there. that's way better than you are. democratically accountable vision will look sure. if i want to build a new concert hall, i could easily raise a couple $100000000.00 from people who want their name on the new concert. but we also the other thing. we also need a sewage treatment center way over there at 143rd street. we also need schools over there and the neighborhoods were poor people live. we also need our streets fixed. we need

a lot of things that are not done with philanthropy. and we want to live in a democracy. we want to live in a society where people decide through their elected representatives, how to spend society's resources. i do not want to live in a country where a few rich people make all the decisions. and yes, well, plenty of concert halls, but love a lot of people who you don't see because they live, you know, a little bit farther away. who don't have the resources they need to just get by every day. i mean, this kind of infrastructure spending, i mean, was advocated by bernie sanders. of course, we know from wiki leaks the way that the dnc lots of dirty tricks by the clinton campaign, against, against bernie sanders was pursuing these kinds of policies. i mean, would you think that people just don't know that more than $40000000.00 people tonight will not be able be able to eat without the snap food stamp program,

which is of course paid for by taxes? well, i think there are some people who just don't care. they've been told for 40 years since ronald reagan ran for president. that, oh, the government is not the solution. the government is the problem. they see the pictures of ronald reagan writing randers around chinese force. you know, that's how americans should be no help from the government. not taking into account the fact that government provides all of the resources for the electricity and the water and everything else you need. and they just have this sort of ideally vision in their mind that the rich people put their that government is bad. everyone should just do their own thing by themselves. and yeah, that works great if you happen to be a billionaire, but that doesn't work for almost anyone else. this country was founded by a bunch of people coming from the united kingdom, creating things called commonwealths, the commonwealth of virginia and the commonwealth of massachusetts. the

commonwealth of pennsylvania were creat because they knew we needed common wealth. they needed, they knew they need to put their money together to do things that none of them could do individually. and that's what they did. and that's what we still need to do. we need common wealth, we need americans putting their money together, and that's the we have a word for that. it's called taxes to do things that we can do individually and to provide for the rest of americans. we actually need to help our shelves get rich. i need middle class people who can afford to buy expensive shoes and expensive telephones and expensive ice cream and all those things in order for me to get rich by investing companies to make shoes and ice cream and telephones and things like that. i'm not purely altruistic. i'm looking out for what i think is the best interests of my self and my family and my society. and i think all american should do that. obviously

a little native americans killed in that origin story. of course, you say you need this, but couldn't you just be selling things over, sees and live a private gated life where even infrastructure like water is bottled, where your wrist private security guards there instead of the n y b, d, and live in the near future the way that increasingly apparently is the, is the way late capitalism works. well. i suppose some people are doing that. i don't want to, well, that's not how most people want to live. i mean, i guess there are some people who do want to live that way. that most people don't, of course, there is a lot in the global south about in, in quality during corona virus, as regards vaccines and health care. but do you think there's a possibility that the pandemic could have toward the american people that were only as strong as each other? i mean, i suppose it could have, i don't think that it did. i think we're making progress because i think we're

seeing it just even more obviously how some of our people are doing so much worse. you know, a quarter of our people lost their jobs at some point during the throne, a virus thing. but yet the richest among us are getting richer and richer and richer. we have the greatest increase in the value of the stock market in the history of our country during pandemic. because some of our companies, like amazon, has been doing so much better that people are made billions and billions of dollars . and people are seeing inequality get worse. so i think one possible silver lining to this crazy pandemic is that the, any quality our country is becoming even more obvious and even more clear. and our government is finally doing something. well, amazon runs very tax efficient system. jeff bezos made up with the u. k. permanent supports johnson. i think it was quite impressed by him. very recently,

i have to ask you, given that ever graham, the massive chinese companies and all the headlines, you were a black rock. people talking about exposure to black rock, do you think it's possible that of a bailout, a massive bailout? again, we're still living the consequences in the western economic crisis, arguably of the full leman, the tax pay has the poorest will need to be used to bailout your old company, black rock, and who knows who else? no, no, i actually don't think so. even black rock is not a company that, that actually invested money and things black rock, this company that, that earns fees by advising people and invest. i mean there's, there's the chinese property company, but it's also opaque. we don't know a bit like we pay opacity, we witness it's difficult to dread view 8. yes. i mean, i don't know what's happening in china. i barely understand everything that's happening here and here in the united states. so i'm going to concentrate on that.

and just finally i go to us, why do you think the journalists, who interview you, because you do appear in other channels in the u. s. if they seem to think that what you're saying is so revolutionary, are they also in this trickle down economics mindset? well, it is because so few people are speaking out and i go on fox news and they introduce me is either either some crazy personal entertain you for a few minutes or some guy with some idea of so revolution. no one's ever even thought of it before. and both of those are fine, but everyone should be thinking this way and a lot of people are, but they just don't feel like speaking out. and so that's what we're trying to do is to get the americans who are being silent, to speak out and not have those few people who are frankly, greedy, taking up all of the bandwidth of our elected representatives. morris, paul, thank you. thank you for being

a part of the show when we back home. when's is the president of russia in turkey, vladimir putin and read the title one meeting? so g, after you, in general assembly meeting, which secretary general attorney of the chair has warned that humanity is on the edge of an abyss until then keep in touch with us through all our social media. and let us know if you think veritax is consulting liberalism problems. ah, join me every 1st day on the alex summon show and i'll be speaking to guess on the world, the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me the

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