so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy fontaine, and let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. developments. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, a very critical time. time to sit down and talk me the with i'm after it says here we're going underground. broadcasting the stories drowned

out by mainstream media noise coming up in the show as the u. k. in the u. s. meant they deal with australia nuclear submarines at the expense of france. we ask the australian director of the nobel peace prize winning international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. if this could be the opening salvo of the war on china, and as suspicions rise about tax bailouts for every brand that has like black rock, we speak to one former black rock managing director, fighting trickle down economics for the rights of many to pay more taxes or more coming up in today's going underground at 1st at the un general assembly, which finishes today in new york. us president joe biden said bombs and bullets can defend against coven 19 or future variance. but that hasn't stopped minting a new security packed with the u. k l straightly to build a fleet of nuclear submarines while un secretary general antonio terrorist warns of a new cold war, what will be the true cost of further western nuclear proliferation. joining me now from sidney is the australian director of the nobel peace prize winning international pain to abolish nuclear weapons. jim ramos,

thanks so much jim for coming on as the australian director. i'm going to ask you, 1st of all, what your reaction was when you 1st heard about the submarine deal. probably expressions a bit like president macro, but for different reasons. maybe. yeah. my and to be honest, complex, you know, doesn't really make sense. and we said something that you'd be very brief on the start attention region. we know that it's not a real skeptical motivation behind it. and we are in election week in the next 6 months. so, you know, we, i think that it's, that stage will continue to monitor and they won't come out the negotiating period to now that's wrong with this deal,

specifically about the nuclear element. but away from the politics. there was a deal anyway with france is a concern that allegedly u. k. u s. heidi in which uranium is $93.00 to $97.00 preserves. which can be used to make nuclear weapons. yeah, that's actually on creek or a country. sure. why nuclear for tell summary, when it doesn't have your weapons, we would be the only country to do and if it's a serious concern for the libo, not diffraction, and by god regimes, because we'd be looking at probably employing well using us for the highlander. sure. right. and that's, that's. d what grade material, sorry we would be exploiting other polling in the fraction tree which hasn't

happened before. and we said it very much is something that would provide other countries you might say to get out summary as well. and of course, that re unraveling locally for nonproliferation regime. and i will know what this made for the future. we know that the prime minister currently says he's not thinking to develop a domestic and all that good that we want more than that. he's why don't we want to say that's really commit to do that, and if it's the heart of another country and we did the best way for them to do that is to ratify the treaty on the yeah, you have the treaty behind you there on the wall, but as you say, it's got morrison said we will continue to meet our nonproliferation treaty obligations, so i mean on the face of it and nothing in here. and certainly that is what bar

johnson joe biden, the little girl morrison say is this has nothing to do with the n p t. yeah, well that's one of condition opposition has put on this deal with relists to make sure that it comply would be. but there are many expert and commentators that up already hand or a box. and if anything has to be interested well, and when there is great k, the amount of material highly rehearing around in the world. increasing the number of how this is not in the re, for what is my security risk in the port construction where it would be built to be harvested. it's also increasing the risk that the baby in the event of

a nuclear or conventional target are and what that would may make is offices and radiological contamination or recovering the type they work for it. yeah. so from the threat of terror attacks you, you think that adelaide may be a big target? well, i like to be a city where the submarine would be constructed. and then the question that any, any thought i would the common topic for conventional attacks. and that's not something that the people i lay happy about that come out of that, not something that public has been path, it's about us. and it does increase our being the target. and the government has already the level of debates, as you say,

the opposition talking about details are not about the fundamental axiomatic idea of having weapons to attack china. why? i mean, they keep talking about the indo pacific. i presume you think this is about china? why would australia need even submarines, nuclear submarines without nuclear weapons on to patrol waters against australia is number one trading partner. yeah, this is a major issue here and they pensions. it's got a lot of politics. i'm not sure why that's really covering in general. there are government for which certainly, you know, the french went on years and costs and over time, and it's not a huge, huge cost already. now, regarding a few 1000000000 on the french deal and going up with the mind $2000000000.00

match, propel submarine, do us, could be at least all that are we have to question the utility and renovation behind. but we know it's not in a very early stage, and they'll be an 18 month period. are looking at what, what the domain, what options are. so it's something that can be reversed and that should be well way hearing nothing about it being reversed from johnson and london or, or biden in, in d. c. i have to say, and i mean, could this could be a optimistic version of the events in the past few days. i mean, it could it inspire detachment from maybe talking to china and other european union countries, realizing that they don't want military confrontation, let alone conflict with the most powerful economic,

the most powerful country in the world of the century. well, not to base the liners and perhaps one of the trailers realizing that it needs to do more work in this region. now, pretending that we are basically a deputy sheriff of the united states and we're happy to do it, especially when it comes to nuclear weapons ready to live in the same. so that new zealand has propelled submarines would not be able to answer it. what is, wait here in the governments of malaysia and he's needed the washer about big about about provocation and asked me to reframe from competition. this is before the contract, fine on the piece, you know, right. and, and if i can ok, that's for your country. well, i mean,

in taking and striking this deal, i don't send that utilizing carrier nuclear you know that in the u. k. then you have a current government that wants to increase the cap on your own, you know, by 40 percent reducing clear contravention of the tree and then be united states has 6000. you are. this is not the direction they should be taking. this is not the kind of company that we should be keeping when it comes to me and taking their i think our military not for our region. obviously the british government denies that it is in breach of the m p t. with this upgrading of even tried and nuclear weapons stationed in scotland, i know that new zealand is already said. they don't want the submarines even coming

through their waters. you know that again and again as opposition grows to is we will be assured here in britain and the american population will be assured that nuclear weapons don't even fit on these submarines. i understand that when they're ordered by the australian government, they carry some sort of missile battery platform which can be upgraded in some way . and they would need that before nuclear weapons can be attached to the submarines . yeah, we would really need to show the way that the submarine could be capable and who needs to be sure that i would not be assisting with the credit and use of nuclear weapons where they are. and so we don't want to be contributing for them. so i think stations aren't, have guarantees about things. and as i mentioned to ensure that we

don't have to become part of the nuclear lying mission to very much what the public does not want in general, where nuclear population. but the best way we can be shown is to join the treaty. i mean, you're a nobel peace prize winning organization. you no doubt try and lobby australian politicians. do you think organizations like yours just can't compete with the lobbyists of the military industrial complex? as regards your parliament as parliamentarians here, let alone k street and washington. well, we don't, we don't have the budget that they have. we don't have access to the periods that they have. we do have a broad and growing campaign. it's made up of union parliamentarian council lawyers make professional nations people and we

know that we will join battery. this is something that will i'm, i will become a hot country and we have a position that needs to re government and we expect to say government now they are a deal. doesn't necessarily complain for joining new battery, as long as they are capable of long as they are not in a capacity. sorry, i will have to say that there is a growing general. thank you. thank you very much. after the break, as you, as president joe biden, to fight his own party on taxing the rich, is there any chance the liberal politicians can make millionaires pay their fair

share? we ask a form of like, what matters you, director, is now fighting for exactly that. all this is coming up about to going underground . join me every thursday on the alex simon show. when i was speaking to guess in the world, the politic sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then in ah, the ah, ah.

ah, welcome back. it's been 10 years since occupy wall street spread around the world, fighting for a different economic system in the past few days, even conservative, u. k. prime minister bars johnson in new york for the un general assembly appeared to be questioning. asteroids millionaire jeff bezos is astronomical. wealth, but for a much more radical perspective, i enjoy now from new york by a former managing director of black rock morris, poorly chance something called patriotic millionaires. thanks so much worse for coming on. you know, in the past few days of these famous attacks on a o c, for that dress of the $30000.00 ticket met gullah, you could have maybe designed the dress. just tell us what patriotic media as is, we are a group of hundreds of wealthy business people and investors. and we understand that there's a growing inequality both here in our nation and in the kingdom and western europe

is just unsustainable. it's not gonna work. people have learned that you can't continue to let the rich get richer and richer and richer, and everyone else not get ahead. it has to be changed, or our society is going to fall apart. so, you know, you are like, you are the class enemy actually before the for her, anyone thinks that what you're saying there is just a copy of nancy pelosi or a o. c in the squad. even that book you got the book front piece behind you. if anyone reads that or sees the things that you've been saying, you are more radical than the people on the hill way in some ways. yes, we believe that rich investors should pay the same tax rates as people who work for a living. and that shouldn't be radical. currently, in our system, people like me who don't work. i just sit here and watch the numbers in my computer

screen and see that i'm getting richer and richer every day. i pay tax rates far less than people who work in this building, running our elevators as a percentage of my income. and there's something wrong with that. and people are realizing that here in new york, you know, it was 100 meters right over there where she was wearing that white dress and people are realizing that all over the world and we have to do something about it before it's too late. yeah. but obviously joe, by nancy pelosi then all members of your patriotic m millionaires section and they go to sleep at night and their investment income goes up. why do you think historically people have not seen investment income as something that should be tax the same as the person who's manning the lift? well, i think some of that have,

we had did tax investment and come the same as regular income some years ago. so it's not like we've never have but i think lately our politicians are lawmakers spend too much time talking to rich donors because they have to raise money all the time. and they don't have enough time to spend with the rest of their constituents may give them a different point of view. they know very well the problems of being rach. i mean, not that there are problems being rich, but such as there are and i don't think they have time to understand the problems everyone else. i was in a cocktail party right over there in a penthouse, and park avenue where one of our united states senators some years ago. so, oh, good thing. i'm not a self funder. like some of these other people are because only the events like this. i get to meet regular people and i thought to myself, this is so ridiculous that you think nowhere near your constituents that you're

meeting regular people who pay thousands of dollars to have a glass of wine and a few minutes. it's up to you. and it's sad because they, i think after many years, they start to believe that that the people that they spend time with all the time the rich donors are the people. and of course, there are people who don't want to pay taxes. and frankly, that's a pick us possession, but that is some people's possession, but we'll get to get to them in a 2nd. but the, the myths come from k street, the media, obviously, which is also financed by big companies interested in limiting tax. i think you make the point that the great at 1900 fifty's a years of growth for maybe not for people of color. arguably the tax rate was substantially higher than it is today. and americans theoretically, think of it as a golden era. yeah. ken lang gone, the guy was his name on the big hospital,

nice side, and the guy who helped start a huge business on depo. one of the largest is mrs. in our country. he paid a tax of 70 percent and he lived in new york when he started that business. and now he's going around complaining though, if i have to pay more than 20 something percent civilization will end or something like that. it's just not right. as you said, we've done very well with people paying far higher tax rates than they're paying now and we should, we should have the funding here in america. could do the kinds of things that we need to do to make america what it is. now i don't only do this, but the have to be that devil's advocate and say, you know, you're forgetting about the philanthropic la jess of the rich who can personally choose where to put a 1000000000 near a 1000000000 there. that's way better than you are. democratically accountable vision will look sure. if i want to build a new concert hall, i could easily raise

a couple $100000000.00 from people who want their name on the new concert. but we also the other thing. we also need a sewage treatment center way over there at 143rd street. we also need schools over there and the neighborhoods were poor people live. we also need our streets fixed. we need a lot of things that are not done with philanthropy. and we want to live in a democracy. we want to live in a society where people decide through their elected representatives, how to spend society's resources. i do not want to live in a country where a few rich people make all the decisions. and yes, well, plenty of concert halls, but love a lot of people who you don't see because they live, you know, a little bit farther away. who don't have the resources they need to just get by every day. i mean, this kind of infrastructure spending, i mean, was advocated by bernie sanders. of course, we know from wiki leaks the way that the dnc lot of dirty tricks by the clinton

campaign, against, against bernie sanders was pursuing these kinds of policies. i mean, would you think that people just don't know that more than $40000000.00 people tonight will not be able be able to eat without the snap food stamp program, which is of course paid for by taxes? well, i think there are some people who just don't care. they've been told for 40 years since ronald reagan ran for president. that, oh, the government is not the solution. the government is the problem. they see the pictures of the ronald reagan right around his ranch and it's fortunately oh, that's how merican should be no help from the government. not taking into account the fact that government provides all of the resources for the electricity and the water and everything else. you need and they just have this sort of, ideally vision in their mind that they're rich. people put their, that government is bad. everyone should just do their own thing by themselves. and

yeah, that works great if you happen to be a billionaire, but that doesn't work for almost anyone else. this country was founded by a bunch of people coming from the united kingdom, creating things called commonwealths, the commonwealth of virginia, the commonwealth of massachusetts and the commonwealth of pennsylvania were creat because they knew we needed common wealth. they needed, they knew they need to put their money together to do things that none of them could do individually. and that's what they did. and that's what we still need to do. we need common wealth, we need americans putting their money together. and that's the we have a word for that, it's called taxes to do things that we can do individually and to provide for the rest of americans who we actually need to help our shelves get rich. i need middle class people who can afford to buy expensive shoes and expensive telephones, expensive ice cream and all those things in order for me to get rich by investing

companies to make shoes and ice cream and telephones and things like that. i'm not purely altruistic. i'm looking out for what i think is the best interests of my self and my family and my society. and i think all american should do that. obviously a little native americans killed in that origin story. of course, you say you need this, but couldn't you just be selling things over, sees and live a private gated life where even infrastructure like water is bottled, where your wrist private security guards there instead of the n y b, d, and live in the near future the way that increasingly apparently is the, is the way late capitalism works. well, i suppose some people are doing, right. i don't want to. well, that's not how most people want to live. i mean, i guess there are some people who do want to live that way. but most people don't, of course, there is a lot in the global south about in a quality during corona virus,

as regards vaccines and health care. but do you think there's a possibility that the pandemic could have toward the american people that were only as strong as each other? i mean, i suppose it could have, i don't think that it did. i think we're making progress because i think we're seeing it just even more obviously how some of our people are doing so much worse. you know, a quarter of our people lost their jobs at some point during the throne of virus thing. but yet the richest among us are getting richer and richer and richer. we have the greatest increase in the value of the stock market in the history of our country during a pandemic. because some of our companies, like amazon, has been doing so much better, that people are made billions and billions of dollars. and people are seeing inequality get worse. so i think one possible silver lining to this crazy pandemic

. is that the, any quality there are countries becoming even more obvious and even more clear? and our government is finally doing something? well, amazon runs a very tax efficient system. jeff bezos made up with the u. k. permanent subaru, johnson. i think it was quite impressed by him. very recently, i have to ask you, given that ever graham, the massive chinese companies and all the headlines you were a black rock people talking about exposure to black rock? do you think it's possible that of a bailout, a massive bailout? again, we're still living the consequences in the western economic crisis, arguably of the full lehman the tax pay has the poorest will need to be used to bailout your old company, black rock, and who knows who else? no, no, i actually don't think so. even black rock is not a company that, that actually invested money in things black rock is company that, that earns fees by advising people and invest. i mean, is that the,

the chinese property company, but it's also opaque. we don't know a bit like we pay opacity, we witness it's difficult to read a yes. i mean, i don't know what's happening in china. i barely understand everything is happening here and here in the united states. so i'm going to concentrate on that. and just finally i go to was, why do you think the journalists, who interview you? because you do appear in other channels in the u. s. it, they seem to think that what you're saying is so revolutionary, are they also in this trickle down economics mindset? well, it is because so few people are speaking out and i go on fox news and they introduce needs either, either some crazy personal entertain you for a few minutes or some guy with some idea of so revolution. no one's ever even thought of it before. and both of those are fine, but everyone should be thinking this way and a lot of people are, but they just don't feel like speaking out. and so that's what we're trying to do

is to get the americans who are being silent, to speak out and not have those few people who are frankly, greedy, taking up all of the bandwidth of our elected representatives. morris, paul, thank you. thank you for being a valued show. when we back home, when says the president of russia in turkey, vladimir putin and read the title one meeting. so g, after you, in general assembly meeting, which secretary general attorney of the chair has warned that humanity is on the edge of an abyss until then keep in touch with us through all our total media. and let us know if you think veritax is, can solve your liberalism problems. ah, ah, ah, ah ah,

my work is a little boy here, the little girl made it because i don't want the cause the choice with me. sure. it's under which way you're committed to the national move pieces you can listen. can you want me to show me what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation

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