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by mainstream media noise coming up in the show as the u. k. in the us maintain deal with australia, a nuclear submarines at the expense of france. we ask the australian director of the nobel peace prize winning international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. if this could be the opening salvo of the war on china, and that suspicion is rise about tax bailouts for ever granted. debt is like black rock. we speak the one former black rock managing director, fighting trickle down economics for the rights of many to pay more taxes or more coming up in today's going underground at 1st at the you in general assembly, which are going to choose today in new york. us president joe biden said bombs and bullets can defend against coven 19 or future variance. but that hasn't stopped minting a new security packed with the u. k. to straight to build a fleet of nuclear submarines while un secretary general antonio terrorist warns of a new cold war, what will be the true cost of further western nuclear proliferation. joining me now from sidney is the australian director of the nobel peace prize winning engine

national campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. jim ramos, thanks so much jim for coming on as the australian director. i'm going to ask you, 1st of all, what your reaction was when you 1st heard about the submarine deal. probably expressions a bit like president macro, but for different reasons. maybe. yeah, and my and be honest, complex doesn't really make sense and very great on the start attention region. we know that it's not a real skeptical motivation behind it. and we are in election within the next 6 months. so, you know, we, i think that it's, that stage continue to monitor it and they won't come out the negotiating period to now. and that's wrong with this deal,

specifically about the nuclear element. but away from the politics. there was a deal anyway with france is a concern that allegedly u. k. u s. heidi in which uranium is 93 to 97 percent. which can be used to make nuclear weapons. yeah, that's actually on creek or a country. sure. why nuclear for tell summary, when it doesn't have your weapons, we would be the only country to do and if it's a serious concern for the libo, not the fraction and god frame because we'd be looking at probably employing or using us for that highlander issue right and that's, that's. d the right material, we would be exploiting other poli and the fraction st. jude which hasn't happened

before. and we said it very much is something that would provide other countries you might to get out summary as well. and of course, that re unraveling locally for nonproliferation regime and our content will know what they've made for the future. we know that the prime minister currently he's not thinking to develop a domestic and all that good that we want more than that. he's why don't we want to say that's really commit to do that. and if it's the heart of another country, and we say the best way for them to do that is to ratify the treaty on the yeah, you have the treaty behind you there on the wall, but as you say, it's got morrison said we will continue to meet our nonproliferation treaty obligations, so i mean on the face of it and nothing in here and certainly that is what bar

johnson joe bigler learn scott morris and say is this has nothing to do with the n p t. yeah, well that's one condition that opposition have put on this deal with relish to make sure that it's compliant with the have. but there are many commentators that up already not tandoori boss. and i think that is how regional will be interested. well, and when there is great, i came the amount of material here and now around in the world, increasing the number of how this is not in the re for what is my security risk in the construction where it would be built to be harvested. it will increase the risk that the baby in the event of

a new or conventional target was that would make messages. offices and radiological contamination, or readers commonly take their word for it. yeah. slide from the threat of terror attacks you. you think that adelaide may be a big target? well, i like to be, i see where the summary would be constructed. and then my question that any, any thought i would become a topic for congressional attack, and that's not something that the people have been asked about that come out of where it's not something that has been passed about us debate about and that does increase our average being that it's harder and the government has already to the level of debates, as you say,

the opposition talking about details are not about the fundamental axiomatic idea of having weapons to attack china. why? i mean, they keep talking about the indo pacific. i presume you think this is about china? why would australia need even submarines, nuclear submarines without nuclear weapons on to patrol waters against australia? is number one trading partner. yeah, this is a major issue here and they pensions. it's got a lot of politics. i'm not sure why that's really covering in general there i government, which certainly, you know, read the french, went on years and costs over time. and it's not a huge, huge cost. i'm already now regarding a few 1000000000 on the french deal and going to bait with my $2000000000.00

match. propel submarine, do us could be at least all that are we have to question the utility and motivation behind. but we know that's not a very early stage, and that will be an 18 month period. are looking at what, what the domain, what options are. so it's something that can be reversed and it should be well way hearing nothing about it being reversed from johnson in london or, or biden in, in d. c. i have to say, and i mean, could this could be optimistic version of the events in the past few days. i mean, it could it inspire, detachment, france, maybe talking to china and other european union countries, realizing that they don't want military confrontation,

little conflict with the most powerful economic, the most powerful country in the world of the century. well, i'm not to think of aligning. and perhaps one of the would be that it's really realizing that it needs to do more work in this region. now we keep pretending that we are basically a deputy sheriff of the united states and we're happy to do it, especially when it comes to nuclear weapons ready to live in the same. so that new zealand that's really propelled submarines would not be able to answer it. what is the governments of malaysia and he's major that washer about big about about provocation and asked me to reframe from this is before as a compact find on the piece, you know, raise your country. well. i mean,

in taking and striking this deal that you don't mind being caring. you know that in the u. k. then you have a current government that wants to increase the cap on your own, you know, by 40 percent reducing clear contravention of history and being united states has up up 6000 you are. this is not the direction they should be taking. this is not the kind of company that we should be keeping when it comes to me and taking their i think our military not for our region. obviously, the british government denies that it is in breach of the m p t with this upgrading of even trident nuclear weapons stationed in scotland. i know that new zealand has already said they don't want the submarines even coming through their waters. you

know that again and again as opposition grows to this, we will be assured here in britain and the american population will be assured that the nuclear weapons don't even fit on these submarines. i understand that when they're ordered by the australian government, they carry some sort of missile battery platform which can be upgraded in some way . and that would need that before nuclear weapons can be attached to the submarines . yeah, we would really need to ensure that that's not why the submarines could be capable and who needs to be sure that i would not be assisting with your credit or use use of nuclear weapons where they are. and so we don't want to be contributing for them. so i think stations aren't guaranteed about things. and as i mentioned,

it's really hurt to ensure that we become part of the nuclear lying mission to very much what you're trying to public does not launch in general. population, but the best way we can be sure to join the band trade. i mean you're a nobel peace prize winning organization. you no doubt try and lobby australian politicians. do you think organizations like yours just can't compete with the lobbyists of the military industrial complex as regards your parliament as the parliamentarians here let alone k street and washington? well, we don't, we don't have the budget that they have. then we don't have access to the parents that they have. we do have a broad and growing campaign. it's made off of union parliamentarians, council lawyers, making professional fascinations, people and we use, you know,

we will join your battery. this is something that will become a hot country and we have a position to sign a treaty in government. and we expect to say government now the only place for joining the new battery as long as they are capable, that one was not assisting in a fighting capacity. sorry, i will have to say that there is a growing general. thank you. thank you very much. after the break, as you, as president joe biden, to fight his own party on taxing the rich, is there any chance the liberal politicians can make millionaires pay their fair

share? we have all my managing director is now fighting for exactly that. all this is coming up about to going undergrad. the lack of universal healthcare makes america the country of every man for himself. we have a retirement crisis in this country and we have a health care crisis for seniors in this country as well. so private business has come up with special mechanism for that. it's called a live settlement market. we are a life settlement provider, means that we buy life insurance policies from primarily seniors throughout the united states who no longer want or can't afford their life insurance policies. if you're sick and for want to live a few more years, you can sell your life insurance. that way you get more money right away and the company collects your insurance payment after your death. there's a group of people out there, i guess, hoping that people die soon. what kind of motivation is i give them when i start

crying about him dying? that's usually what it's about. it's just the sheer unfairness of it. all. many countries in the western world are grappling with such issues as illegal immigration in energy insecurity. unremarkable if there is always a single root cause, a party to blame. and that is russia also ran, stepped out on the world in a big way ending its isolation. welcome back at 3 in 10 years since occupy wall street spread around the world by the very different economic system in the past few days, even conservative u k prime minister, both johnson and new york for the un general assembly appeared to be questioning asteroids and billionaire jeff bezos is astronomical wealth. but for a much more radical perspective, i'm joined now from new york by a former managing director of black rock morris, poorly chance something called patriotic millionaires. thank so much for us for

coming on, you know, in the past few days with these famous attacks on the a o. c, that dress of the $30000.00 ticket met gala. you could have maybe designed the dress. just tell us what patriotic melia as is. we are a group of hundreds of wealthy business people and investors. and we understand that there's a growing inequality both here in our nation and in the you can either king them in western europe is just unsustainable. it's not gonna work. people have learned that you can't continue to let the rich get richer and richer and richer, and everyone else not get ahead. it has to be changed, or our society is going to fall apart. so, you know, you are like, you are the class enemy actually before the for her, anyone thinks that what you're saying there is just a copy of nancy pelosi or a o. c in the squad. even that book you got the book front piece behind you. if

anyone reads that or sees the things that you've been saying, you are more radical than the people on the hill way in some ways. yes, we believe that rich investors should pay the same tax rates as people who work for a living. and that shouldn't be radical. currently, in our system, people like me who don't work. i just sit here and watch the numbers in my computer screen and see that i'm getting richer and richer every day. i pay tax rates far less than people who work in this building, running our elevators as a percentage of my income. and there's something wrong with that. and people are realizing that here in the york, you know, it was 100 meters right over there where she was wearing that white dress. and people are realizing that all over the world and we have to do something about it before it's too late. yeah. but obviously joe, by nancy pelosi,

they're not members of your patriotic m millionaires that section and they go to sleep at night and their investment income goes up. why do you think historically people have not seen investment income as something that should be tax the same as the person who's manning the lift? well, i think some of that have, we had did tax investment and come the same as regular income some years ago. so it's not like we'd never have, but i think lately our politicians are lawmakers spend too much time talking to rich donors because they have to raise money all the time. and they don't have enough time to spend with the rest of their constituents may give them a different point of view. they know very well the problems of being rach. i mean, not that there are problems being rich, but such as there are and i don't think they have time to understand the problems

everyone else. i was in a cocktail party right over there. and a penthouse and park avenue, or one of our united states senators some years ago. oh, good thing. i'm not a self funder. like some of these other people are because the only the events like this, i get to meet regular people. and i thought to myself, this is show ridiculous that you think nowhere near your constituents that you're meeting regular people who pay thousands of dollars to have a glass of wine and a few minutes. it's up to you. and it's sad because they, i think after many years, they start to believe that that the people that they spend time with all the time the rich donors are the people. and of course, there are people who don't want to pay taxes. and frankly, that's peculiar possession, but that is some people's possession, but we'll get to get to them in a 2nd. but the, the myths come from kane street,

the media obviously, which is also financed by big companies interested in limiting tax. i think you make the point that the great 1900 fifty's a years of growth for maybe not for people of color. arguably the tax rate was substantially higher than it is today. and americans theoretically, think of it as a golden era. yeah. ken lang gone, the guy was his name on the big hospital, nice side, and the guy who helped start a huge business home depot, one of the largest businesses in our country, he paid a tax of 70 percent. and he lived in new york when he started that business. and now he's going around complaining though, if i have to pay more than 20 something percent, the civilization will end or something like that. it's just not right. as he said, we've done very well with people paying far higher tax rates than they're paying

now. and we should, we should have the funding here in america. could do the kinds of things that we need to do to make america what it is. now i don't only do this, but the have to be the devil's advocate and say, you know, you're forgetting about the philanthropic law. just the rich who can personally choose where to put a 1000000000 here, a 1000000000 there that's way better than you are democratically accountable vision . will look sure if i want to build a new concert hall, i could easily raise a couple $100000000.00 from people who want their name on the new concert. but we also need other things. we also need a sewage treatment center way over there. 143rd street. we also need schools over there and the neighborhoods were poor people live. we also need our streets fixed. we need a lot of things that are not done with philanthropy. and we want to live in a democracy. we want to live in a society where people decide through their elected representatives,

how to spend society's resources. i do not want to live in a country where a few rich people make all the decisions. and yes, well, plenty of concert halls, but love a lot of people who you don't see because they live, you know, a little bit farther away. who don't have the resources they need to just buy every day. i mean, this kind of infrastructure spending, i mean, was advocated by bernie sanders. of course, we know from wiki leaks the way that the d, n. c. lots of dirty tricks by the clinton campaign, against, against bernie sanders was pursuing these kinds of policies. i mean, would you think that people just don't know that more than $40000000.00 people tonight will not be able be able to eat without the snap food stamp program, which is of course paid for by taxes? well, i think there are some people who just don't care. they've been told for 40 years since ronald reagan ran for president. that, oh,

the government is not the solution. the government is the problem. they see the pictures of the ronald reagan right around is around chinese. fortunately. oh, that's how americans should be no help from the government. not taking into account the fact that government provides all of the resources for the electricity and the water and everything else. you need and they just have this sort of, ideally vision in their mind that they're rich. people put their, that government is bad. everyone should just do their own thing by themselves. and yeah, that works great if you happen to be a billionaire, but that doesn't work for almost anyone else. this country was founded by a bunch of people coming from the united kingdom, creating things called commonwealths, the commonwealth of virginia, the commonwealth of massachusetts, the commonwealth of pennsylvania, were created because they knew we needed common wealth. they needed, they knew they need to put their money together to do things that none of them could do individually. and that's what they did. and that's what we still need to

do. we need common wealth, we need americans putting their money together. and that's the we have a word for that. it's called taxes. to do things that we can do individually and to provide for the rest of americans. we actually need to help our shelves get rich. i need middle class people who can afford to buy expensive shoes and expensive telephones and expensive ice cream and all those things in order for me to get rich by investing companies to make shoes and ice cream and telephones and things like that. i'm not purely altruistic. i'm looking out for what i think is the best interests of my self and my family and my society. and i think all american should do that. obviously a little native americans killed in that origin story. of course, you say you need this, but couldn't you just be selling things overseas and they have a private gated life where even infrastructure like water is bottled, where your risk private security guards there instead of the n y b, d,

and live in the near future way that increasingly apparently is the, is the way late capitalism works well. i suppose some people are doing that. i don't want to, well, that's not how most people want to live. i mean, i guess there are some people who do want to live that way, that most people don't. of course, there is a lot in the global science about in a quality during corona virus, as regards vaccines and health care. but do you think there's a possibility that the pandemic could have toward the american people that were only as strong as each other? i mean, i suppose it could have, i don't think that it did. i think we're making progress because i think we're seeing it just even more obviously how some of our people are doing so much worse. you know, a quarter of our people lost their jobs at some point during the corona virus thing . but yet the richest among us are getting richer and richer and richer. we've had

the greatest increase in the value of the stock market in the history of our country during a pandemic. because some of our companies, like amazon, has been doing so much better, that people are made billions and billions of dollars. and people are seeing inequality get worse. so i think one possible silver lining to this crazy pandemic, is that the, any quality, our country's becoming even more obvious and even more clear? and our government is finally doing something? well, amazon runs a very tax efficient system. jeff bezos made up with the u. k. probably the subarus johnson, i think it was quite impressed by him. very recently, i have to ask you, given that ever grand massive chinese companies in all the headlines you were a black rock people talking about exposure to black rock. do you think it's possible that of a bailout, a massive bailout? again, we're still living the consequences in the western economic crisis,

arguably of the full of lehman the tax pay has the poorest will need to be used to bailout your old company, black rock, and who knows who else? no, no, i actually don't think so. even black rock is not a company that, that actually invested money in things black rock as company that, that earns fees by advising people and invest the chinese property company, but it's also opaque. we don't know a bit like we paid passively. we got to read a yes. i mean, i don't know what's happening in china. i barely understand everything is happening here and here in the united states. so i'm going to concentrate on that. and just finally i go to was, why do you think the journalists to interview you? because you do appear in other channels in the us? if they seem to think that what you're saying is so revolutionary, are they also in this trickle down economics mindset?

well, it is because so few people are speaking out and i go on, fox knows and introduce me, is either either some crazy personal entertain you for a few minutes or some guy with some idea of so revolution. no one's ever even thought of it before. and both of those are fine, but everyone should be thinking this way and a lot of people are, but they just don't feel like speaking out. and so that's what we're trying to do is to get the americans who are being silent, to speak out and not have those few people who are frankly, greedy, taking up all of the bandwidth of our elected representatives. morris, paul, thank you. thank you for being a sure the show when we back home wednesday is the president of russia in turkey. let me put in the reserve time when we didn't. so g, after you, in general assembly meeting, which secretary general attorney of the chair has warned that humanity is on the edge of an abyss until then keep in touch with us through all our social media. and

let us know if you think fair taxes can solve your liberalism problems. ah me and i make no bonus under blind to nationalities as emerge. we don't have authority. we go to the back seen the whole world, leads to take action and be ready. people who judge, you know, come crisis, we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each your own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenges wait for the response has

been massive. so me, good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are together. now on this ours headline stories, germany, social democrats, declare victory election results in the nation. federal ballot give them a normal lead. while the party of going chancellor angle americans flunked historic know better late than never media groups. finally express outrage claims know made by yahoo, that this c i a was lauding to kidnap and potentially a soft and they, julian, a son. in fact, those revelations were 1st arid, bye much.