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ah hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on funeral about many countries in the western world are grappling with such issues as illegal immigration and energy insecurity. and remarkably, there is always a single root cause, a party to blame, and that is russia also. iran stepped out on the world stage in a big way, ending its isolation. ah, ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, markers about the ductless in london is a historian, analyst and author of the book arrives. we'll see a return of russia to world politics. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bob

. she is a political analyst and editor in us, me, internet media project, or gentleman cross up rules and effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want . and i always appreciate it. let's start out with marcus marcus. let me read you a few headlines here from cnbc, ukraine. not to go see here accuses rush of using gas as the geo political weapon. as energy crisis deepens, very ominous. there. this is from the scotsman gas price prices with russia. vladimir putin in control of the bow importing supplies was always high risk. and we go over to bloomberg here, nor string to pipeline news. ukraine worries less about gas, more about war. again, this whole story with energy insecurity in europe, which i believe there is because there was a massive cut in, in demand during the height of the pandemic. and then when things started returning, there was a higher demand. so there wasn't as much gas being put into storage that we have

winter coming or has absolutely nothing to do with the rise. but so ever but all of entered europe's energy boats are somehow brushes when they were when the united states was against your dream to the would actually increase the amount of natural gas into the european union. what is new world is going on here? well, i will start survey historical actually let's say, namely that's relations between the west and russia. over many centuries have been characterized by the neutral suspicion and loop. and what distinguishes relations between the west and russia now is today, western allegations against russia are absolutely fossil. so 1st of all, western mainstream major is giving coverage and credence to polish claims. the migration crisis, plague in europe, is as

a result of russia and better russia, sending the migrants into your through poland. well, since when has poland been the entry point into europe for refugees, all circle refugees and immigrants? the true for the matter is that the west, the stabilization of north africa made to waste, specifically libya and syria is what has caused the migration crisis. then we have british government claims, i'm british mainstream major claims that the energy crisis looming over britain is as a result of the kremlin. well, britain, it should not have relies to the extent it's on liquefied natural gas. and instead of hurling use and all full accusations against russia,

the british governments should have put politics aside and should have sat down with the russians and should have come to an agreement like the german government states, specifically on referring to north stream. so, because unlike for britain, germany now enjoys an uninterrupted flow of natural gas from russia, that is good german industry, that is good for german domestic households. i should say, peter, that is imperative. german industry and german domestic households. if the british states could truly cares for its citizens, and i said they would have put politics aside and it would offend shore. and i'm instructed flow of russian natural gas, which would have been imperative for the british economy and imperative british domestic households. but instead, an energy crisis is lumen, but naturally has nothing to do with the british states. no, it can only be false off, of course, the, based from the east,

russia did hammer. this was the base of bats in reality. is that the north stream to was something that the germans wanted something that, but the russians didn't propose, and they could be more specific gas from. and so now we have the, the, the eventual ality in the matter of weeks, if the regular braces are resolved, that would be an abundance of natural gas in, in the european union all the way to a different story. but i mean, a be politicizing this year when it's purely an economic commercial issue here. i've always been mystified by, you know, where with bottom control of the bow. well, it's gas brown wants to make money by selling a product. there is customers that will have a demand for the product. i don't understand why this has to be over, bullet advises, marcus is pointed out. go ahead. well, i mean, the whole energy crisis in europe can be resolved in one day or no less in one hour

. if they just say we're going to read just not strong enough steam to tomorrow or i'm going to register in december, they set a date next hour. the prices will go down because the markets, you know, the markets are reactant to. i'm so the future, i mean they don't know what a still seem to they still don't. no. and the problem is not ethnic when there's no, it's idea logical. i mean there are germans. some germans of polls north seem to, you know, to me, you know, the green party, they read that i left a variable on the list said i want the job steward ross, you know, in the budgets. i don't want this to be ever, ever used technically at north gym to is ray. do you know the golf pro announced that was ready to start bumping the gaze on the 1st of october. so the problem is no technical if, if i go to court and i will partially agree with what mark said about the russia

escalations looking, but logan is mostly on the west side. on the russian side. maybe there will some bullshit. early decades on the soviet union because we wanted to remake europe. now, at least, you know, you know, during all my years and i haven't lived in russia all my life few years. i've never, i've never called the kid just said the sub dives. well, i mean the, after what happened that, the limping game, but you will not see them, but you could no show the flag even the most blank optimistic people are saying, oh, look, these are the, you know, this is really get out of camp because his job is but the general, russia, you the culture and easy you will be in country and one so much to be with europe. but all the problem with the europe sound. i was just goals map and talking about the migration program, the market. so just mentioned, basically there were rumors,

the blue question go, would use migrant back in the late ninety's. i mean, i read the order, so i, i asked my readers to read the frost magazine, read the news. we all got from the early to thousands late night just they have been suspected shinkel try to do that. you know, she didn't do that, but they suspected you and 20 years later, something like that happened. but when off to europe and boast unprecedented sanctions on billers against the industry against the enterprise, extract him and there was so, i mean, what do you expect the problem is that the, the west right now, the government and the media, they use the creek that not to sexually use very often they mix 40 to some morals, like if you want to dig the sanctions off. beller, bella, russia,

because that's basically bill, which is a translation that was wide russia into bill or language. so if you, if you say i'm against the sanctions imposed, you're in a moral person. you're not suggesting a political solution. you are a traitor. you're in cahoots with lucas angle. this is the same way the novices do this. if you are both of corpus or just major political statement, you're not opposing, shoot what you are in laurel, you know you don't need the interesting thing is lisa, but when lucas i come and bought them and they met and they were asking him, i'm dragging this tomorrow because they were asking me about the immigration policy, and he said, well, why don't you ask? it has nothing to do with writing whatsoever, but in the, in the mainstream, it is somehow russians in cahoots with lucas to release immigrants into the

european union. which by the way, you know, colon in the baltic states, thinking about barriers and wall, i guess those barriers and walls are ok, but not at the american southern border. but i digress. go ahead. well, i think pizza banner, russia is under the spotlight now in the west because the west attempted to embellish basha last summer failed and it was always going to fail and fail abysmally. and as a result of that failure, the integration process between moscow and mints has received it as received a much needed emphasis so much so that the re unification of russia. russia is very much something that is going to happen sooner rather than later. so the west is fine to stop. that's why are they trying to stop that? because, of course, bella, russia bowed as on to poland and nice. so is

a poland. ne, so is beefing up its presence in poland, which i said that is a flagrant violation of the russia, of the name of found the max of $997.00. but in regard to the fossil co allocations, the west is making against russia. it's very clear that the west has never felt so emboldened before in that it makes allegations which have no substance to it whatsoever. and we have to ask the question, why do they feel so emboldened and i put it to the race? and it's best that people in america and in britain no longer think independently or critically. they simply have this intrinsic, this absolute trust in what their politicians and journalists tell them. but also the average american, like the average britain, is more interested in their television programs. and celebrity culture and reality

television, they no longer care what's happening in that society. let's alone can what's happening in the why the wealth. so when the british major gives credence to polish claims that russia, bella, russia, responsible, or could be responsible for the migration crisis. and gulf in europe, the average british person, the average american person, would be happy to go along with that. it's a sad, depressing state of affairs d member last 45 seconds for this part of the program. again, the ukraine is playing a role in this year. the, the, the fact i'm agreeing with mark is here. the reason why nor stream one in 2 were built because ukraine with the me, there's an unreliable transit partner and, and so that they're built. oh, okay. and now they're complaining about ukraine's energy and security. when you crane itself is responsible for that insecurity. go ahead team or you know, the west to us bill or was and it's the, the question will be gruel. look at the figures, unhook the fax,

how much more gruel the ukrainian then you ukrainian government. i mean, it's not just using trying chance against the demonstrate this infusion. plain, some tax, you know, the store, the country, and talking about the history of the gas pipelines built pipeline. and we're going to go with some real estate with the i the, the, me, the join me every thursday on the alex simon show. when i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport business,

i'm show business. i'll see you then. me the welcome back to cross topler. all things considered peter la bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real names. i okay, let's go back to the mac, went to the breakdown we want to make a point that we talk about iran and it's diplomatic initiatives. you go ahead just the thing as well. so all of the ones that are under pressure for all the west russia to build a pipeline to pull up, you know, to delete one of the school year old europe. and the russian suggestion was to connect this fire bar into the ukrainians. wow. and the ball refused for

geopolitical reasons. they said this can be used against your brain. so this is why that's why russia had to build this huge bible and you won't actually, i mean, why in the world would be spend so much money because of all. and i would say very intransigent and very absurd position. and just to remind our, our, our us how we donate the stages involved in the project. how can the beta states impose sanctions on something between russian, germany, what will happen in russia and or sanction us on the pipeline between mexico and do the states. okay. other than doing that, imagine what a scandal would be, or this is except that the western society just something normal, that the country that has nothing to do with this pipeline is imposing sanctions, threatens and, and other countries save all that, all present never. it's never framed that way. demon. thank you for pointing that up. or i want to switch gears here. shang i cooperation organisation. iran will

finally, after many years of petitioning and become a member of that or organisation, why is that important markets go ahead? well, i should say, 1st of all, peter, my opinion on america and i kind of stone runs country. so many analysts and journalists are saying, because i do not believe that america has less afghanistan. indeed, i believe that both america and britain have retains that influence america by having come to an informal agreement with the taliban. because the taliban were never defeated militarily by america and britain. and secondly, it was just inconceivable that the telephone telephone on their own could have conquered africa song countries so large. so the 5 different regions simply on their own note, the american military gave the go ahead and also as well. american doesn't have to have soldiers in the country as a control country. it can control

a country for control in this country's economy, but turn into the shanghai cooperation organization. if this is what it is, 1st go ahead. shanghai cooperation organization is a ration alliance, including countries such as russia, china, central asia, and now it wrong. and it focuses on issues for security to economics. so politics and it's a very good alliance because it means back to all of the countries in full on now members of the shanghai cooperation organization and iran having been mrs. so the alliance demonstrates how iran's influence not just in the mid the weights, but in the why the world is growing. and i consider it wrong. it makes sense to be very good, especially for the security of that region. yes,

it will be good for trays, but i believe that there is of course, a very serious islamist terrorists presence, growing not just in central asia. so in the went in the chinese region are seeing shame. and i believe that the wrong as a result of its tremendous experience in fighting against terrorism. after all, it was a wrong that prevented the cancerous tentacles of the taliban from extend them into the me to waste will be able now to share information with countries in b, s. c, o, some russia and china, which will be imperative semen and the face in terrorism. and islamists is the msm in general infatuation states. but of course the americans, who as i said, remain very much in africa on will view. iran submits its admittance to the seo with increasing consternation because on the one hand it shows that surrounds influence is growing. secondly, the shanghai corporation organization has grown to such an extent now that the

americans are exceedingly wary and concerned by its. yes, the mark has brought it up when he was binding the, the shanghai cooperation organization. you know, people in the west, my li, stupidly making some kind of comparison with nature, which is it's not ok because, you know, the, the security element may be there, definitely got counter terrorism. yes, definitely there. but there is the commercial. you can now make element that is key, could be the functioning of this organization. and this is why this is such a wind ball ran because they're breaking out of the isolation, the maximum pressure warning that the us is the bite against the rain waiting economy. so this is a very significant move, and this organization covers the array of land mass bass. ok and, and this is a certainly a counter to the hedge. a monic aims us as your agent land. go ahead.

well, i will that talk, mark just rightly said that there are some kind of corporate was founded in 1997 on china's ne allow it don't only coach your iran, you didn't go to india and pakistan. so basically when we're told by the west of need your own, there is so much contradiction between china. i just on the hate each other somehow . well the state of the west is not and will be can be members of the same organization. and i, children, charlotte years just woke at all. there is a lucian statement from their shanghai corporation organization from our collective security organization csu. you will never find that any been the guard against the particular country. every statement stops with their preamble, that su is not directed against any particular country in the world. you know,

this is very different from a, to your right comparisons with need to make no sense. because natal all calls russia. you remember how hillary clinton a clinton called russia hostile nation, and we all remember how need to even statement talked about adverse theory. you know, china and introduce your reference and almost an amy. so this is basically, this is what, this is what, what is making as your so different from, from need to it's a peaceful can, is ation not directed against a particular country. and why does it make the united states of the west so angry because it shows that you and d. d inside the same are going to zation despite differences, cultural, political differences. and the idea is to justify that he's still insist on having this democracy is versus of better theory, and they signed it before the end of the year or so that would be possible after

again, a barcode because just needed to remind you that against and for many years was the most important major l i outside the organization. you remember and look what happened to it and coming back to what we were talking about in the 1st part of the program. if we accept this idea by the democracy and the christian right, then the why i people plead, suppose the democratic iraq and symposium a craig libya. why are they lead to even the pro v bit and to beller, bella russia from iraq, if iraq and sodium a crazy, why are they changing it for the authoritarian bill or? so there are so when you think that just don't add up in the western in the world. so is there a page from your book? i mean, when you put everything into an ideological lens, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. and that's exactly what these people do. mark, this is something that iran is really push for for very,

very hard. i think they had observers status starting in 2005 if i'm not mistaken. so this is when all for them. and it shows that the, the american lead campaign crusade by can use that word against the ran it, show it slowly, but surely eroding, coming apart here. the country is very much self sufficient in many ways because of the sanctions. and now the massive economic deal made with china the will, will be the next quarter century. and this is a new page for a ran. it seems to me, they've made it through the worst year in least as far as the american policy against the ram. and i think as you pointed out, the region is going to be far more safer because there is real terrorism there. and having these and these cut all of these countries feel it. okay. and it's the common enemy. so in, i think instead of coddling and protecting isis and the 31 flavors of g hon. these

countries, michelle corporation organization are actually serious and biting it. go ahead. markets. well, peter, iran for over 42 years now has withstood a terrible terrific raj or sanction placed on it by america. and yet it wrong not only has withstood the bad, but iran has grown stronger and stronger. and its recent admission to the s c o demonstrates that iran is more than just a regional player now. and it also goes to show how, how close iran's relations, political, economic, and military relations with both russia and china, all because of course, moscow and beijing off the de facto lasers. that's indisputable. iran has a very close relationship with china and swipe paging was more than happy for iran to be admitted. but even more important than that's, iran has

a strategic partnership with the russian federation. that's on its own has changed, the dynamics has changed the dimensions of the made the waste because no longer is iran face in america on its own, like it for the during the 19 eighties and during the 1990s. so of course, the kremlin was very happy to see its strategic partner admitted to the s c other and the americans and the british who are very much in afghanistan. and of course, the taliban will continue to do the bidding on behalf of their western patrons to feel fractions because it's just russia and china and iran, as dmitri directly said, india and pakistan are also members of the young. so the americans can't help, but feel somewhat strengthened by these countries being in the s c o because they

are surrounding they also around in africa song. and it's no coincidence. i have a pizza about just stays after taliban conquerors. afghanistan. the taliban announced that they would guarantee the security of western pipelines in afghanistan. that was very talent. and then days after that the c i a director match with the leadership of the pilot. that was very talent. and i believe that sooner rather than later, you will see washington and london establish diplomatic relations with those relations of their. okay, well that the, the last page that saga has yet to be written. i agree with much of what you have to say, but i think the idea for a separate programs, i want to thank my guess in london and here in moscow. big reviewers for watching us here at our dc. you next time. remember the oh i

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