with such issues as illegal immigration and energy insecurity. and remarkably, there is always a single root cause, a party to blame. and that is russia also. iraq stepped out on the world's nature, the big way ending its isolation. ah headline to see better late than never need the groups finally expressed consent of a claim that was plotted to kidnap and potentially kill julian litigation currently being reported on yahoo. you said they were the 1st as an intentional journalist long to including here on the collision. talk stephens away in germany and the social phyllis came out on top of the countries, the federal election potential less policy now only b c d, which has lumps his storage version till shortage. trying to deal with long pay. you want the petrol station, you pay?

government says a big public full time buying the under the headlines up next announcing national is because sold and yours is a gaping corporate ah ah ah ah, ah hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered on funeral about many countries in the western world are grappling with such issues as illegal immigration and energy insecurity on remarkably, there is always a single root cause, a party to blame. and that is russia also. iran steps out on the world stage in

a big way, ending in oscillation the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, markers about the ductless in london is a historian, analyst and author of the book arrives. we'll see a return of russia to world politics. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bob . she is a political analyst and editor in us, me, internet media project, or gentleman cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. let's start out with marcus marcus. let me meet you. a few headlines here from cnbc, ukraine. now, now they've got video accuses rush of using gas as the geopolitical weapon. as energy prices deepens, very ominous. there. this is from the scotsman gas price prices with russia. vladimir putin in control of the bow importing supplies was always high risk. and

we go over to bloomberg here, nor string to pipeline news. ukraine worries less about gas, more about war. again, this whole story with energy insecurity in europe, which i believe there is because there was a massive cut in, in demand during the height of the pandemic. and then when things started returning, there was a higher demand. so there wasn't as much gas being put into storage that we have winter coming up. has absolutely nothing to do with the russian but so ever but all of entered europe energy both or somehow brushes when they were when the united states was against, nor dream to the would actually increase the amount of natural gas into the european union. what is new world is going on here? well peter, i will start the survey historical actually said, namely, that relations between the west and russia over many centuries have been characterized by the mutual suspicion and loop. and what distinguishes relations

between the west and russia now, is that today western allegations against russia are absolutely farcical. so 1st of all, western mainstream major is giving coverage and credence to polish claims. the migration crisis, plague in europe is as a result of russia and bennett, russia, sending the migrants into year through poland. well, since when has poland been the entry point into europe for refugees, all circle refugees and immigrants? the truth of the matter is that the west, the stabilization of no fact for the mid to waste, specifically libya and syria is what has caused the migration crisis. then we have british government claims. i'm british mainstream major claims. that

the energy crisis lumina over britain, is, as a result of the kremlin. well, britain, it should not have relies, so the extensive, it's on liquefied natural gas. and instead of hurling use and all full accusations against russia, the british governments should have put politics aside. and should have sat down with the russians and should have come to an agreement like the german government states, specifically on referring to north stream. so, because unlike for britain, germany now enjoys an uninterrupted flow of natural gas from russia. that is good german industry. that is good for german domestic households. i should say, peter, that is imperative. german industry and german domestic households, if the british states could truly cares,

freights citizens. and i said they would have put politics aside, and it would offend sure, an uninterrupted flow of russian natural gas, which would have been imperative for the british economy and imperative, british domestic households. but instead, an energy crisis is lumen, but naturally has nothing to do with the british states. no, it can only be the fault. of course, the, based from the east, russia did hammer. this was the base of baths. in reality is that the north stream to was something that the germans wanted something that, but the russians been for both. and they can be more specific, i guess from. and so now we have the b eventually ality in the matter of weeks, if the regular service that we are an abundance of natural gas in, in the european union, it makes it all the way to a different story. but i mean, a b politicizing this year when it's purely an economic commercial issue here. i've

always been mystified by, you know, with, with, by me, control of the bow. well, it's gas brown wants to make money by selling a product. there is customers that will have a demand for that product. i don't understand why this has to be over. what advises marcus is pointed out, go ahead. well, i mean, the whole energy crisis in europe can be resolved in one day or no less in one hour . if they just see by going to reg, just not strong enough steam do tomorrow or are going to register in december, they set a date next hour. the prices will go down because the markets, you know, the markets are reactant to. i'm so the future, i mean they don't know what a still seem to they still don't. no. and the problem is not ethnic when there's no, it's idea logical. i mean there are germans. some germans of polls north seem to, you know, to me, you know, the green party,

they read the on the left. the other than a variable on the list said i want the job steward ross, you know, in the budgets. i don't want this job to be ever, ever used technically at north gym to is ray. do you know the golf pro announced that it was ready to start pumping the gaze on the 1st of october. so the problem is no technical. if, if i go to google, and i will partially agree with what marcus said about the russia west relations all him. but logan is mostly on the west side. on the russian side. maybe there will some bullshit early decade. so the service union because we wanted to make you optional. now, at least you know, you know, you're in all my years and i haven't lived in russia all my life few years. i've never, i've never called the kid just sadness dives. well, i mean, after what happened at the limping games, but you will not see them, but you could not show the flag even the most blank optimistic people are saying,

look, this is not to be, you know, this is really get out of hand because his job yes, but the general russian culture and easy you will be in country and one so much to be way in europe. but all the problem is that europe sound was just roles map and talking about the migration program, the market. so just mentioned, basically there were rumors, the blue question go, would use migrant back in the late ninety's. i mean, i read the border so i, i asked my readers to they read the frost magazine, read the news, all scott, from the early to thousands, late night just they have been suspected shinkel try to do that. you know, she didn't do that, but they suspected him and 20 years later, something like that happened. but when off to europe in both unprecedented sanctions on bill or against the industry against the

enterprise, extract him and there was so, i mean, what do you expect the problem is that the, the west right now, the government and the media they use, they use the creek not to sexually use very often. they mix 40 to some morals, like if you want to dig the sanctions off. beller, bella, russia, record base, basically, bill, which is a translation that was wide russia into bill language. so if you, if you say i'm against the sanctions imposed, you're in a moral person. you're not suggesting a political solution. you are a traitor. you're in cahoots with lucas ankle. this is the same way. the not just if you are both of us are just major political statement. journal opposing she to you are you laurel? you know you don't know. the interesting thing is when my lease would be when look

at them and bought them and they met and they were asking him, i'm directing this tomorrow because they were asking me about immigration policy. and he said, well, why don't you ask? it has nothing to do with right there whatsoever, but in the, in the mainstream, it is somehow rushes in cahoots with glucose to release immigrants into the european union, which by the way of colon in the baltic states, thinking about barriers and wall, i guess those barriers and walls are ok, but not at the american southern border, but i digress. go ahead. well, i think pizza, banner, russia is under the spotlight now in the west because the west attempted to embellish russia last summer, failed, and it was always going to fail and fail abysmally. and as a result of that failure, the integration process between moscow and mints has received it as received

a much needed emphasis so much so that the re unification of russia. russia is very much something that is going to happen sooner rather than later. so the west is fine to stop. that's why are they trying to stop that? because, of course, bella, russia bowed as on to poland and nice. so is a poland. ne, so is beef and its presence in poland, which i said that is a flagrant violation of the russia. russia found the max of $997.00. but in regard to the foster co allegations of the west is making against russia. it's very clear that the west has never felt so emboldened before in that it makes allegations which have no substance to it whatsoever. and we have to ask the question, why do they feel so emboldened and i put it to the race? and it's best that people in america and in britain no longer think independently

or critically. they simply have this intrinsic, this absolute trust in what their politicians and journalists tell them. but also the average american, like the average britain, is more interested in their television programs. and celebrity culture and reality television, they no longer care what's happening in that society. that's alone carrying what's happening in the why the wealth. so when the british major gives credence to polish claims that russia and bella russia, responsible, or could be responsible for the migration crisis and gulf in europe, the average british person, the average american person, would be happy to go along with that. it's a sad, depressing state of affairs d member last 45 seconds for this part of the program. again, the ukraine is playing a role in this year. the, the, the fact i'm agreeing with mark is here. the reason why norm stream one and 2 were

built because ukraine with the me, there's an unreliable transit partner and, and so that they're built. oh, okay. and now they're complaining about ukraine's energy and security. when you crane itself is responsible for that insecurity. go ahead both are, you know, the west to us bill or was and it's the, the question will be gruel. look at the few good, some of the facts, how much more gruel the ukrainian been, you ukrainian government. i mean, it's not just using trying chance against the demonstrate this infusion plain, some tax, you know, the store the country and talking about the history of the gas by point built pipeline. and we're going to go with some real estate with our oh i

the ok with me it will work is ah ah hello, killing me because i don't want the cars the way i got me. sure. it's under which wire. it's in the nominal move, please. and she will come, this is nice. don't listen to me

. the news was about to cross topler. all things considered peter all about this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real names. i okay, let's go back to the, went to the break to me. you want to make a point before we talk about iran and it's diplomatic initiatives. you go ahead just the thing as well. so all of the ones that are under pressure for all the west russia to build a pipeline to pull up, you know, through the late nineties to school, y'all like europe. and the russian suggestion was to connect this fire bar into the

ukrainians. wow. and the ball used for job, for reasons they said this can be used against your brain. so this is why that's why russia had to build this huge bible and you won't examine why the world would be spend so much money because of all. and i would say very intransigent and very absurd position. and just to remind our, our, our us how we know the status of all the projects. how can the invite states impose sanctions on something between russian, germany, what was happening for ashley and sanctions on the pipeline between mexico and the states. okay. other than doing that, imagine what a scandal would be, or this is except that the western society just something normal that the country that has nothing to do with this one is imposing sanctions, threatens and, and other countries save all that. all present never, never framed that way. demon. thank you for pointing that up or i want to switch

gears here. the shang cooperation organization around it will. finally, after many years of petitioning, i become a member of that organization. why is that important? markets go ahead? well, i should say, 1st of all, peter, my opinion on america and i kind of stone runs countries or many analysts and journalists are saying, because i do not believe that america has less african stone. indeed, i believe that both america and britain have retains that influence america by having come to an informal agreement with the taliban. because the taliban were never defeated militarily by america on britain. and secondly, it was just inconceivable at the telephone, telephone on their own could have conquered afghanistan, a country so large. so the 5 different regions simply on their own. know, the american military gave the go ahead and also as well. american doesn't have to

have soldiers in that country as a control country control a country for control in this country's economy, but turn into the shanghai cooperation organization. if this is what it is, 1st go ahead. shanghai cooperation organization is a your ration alliance, including countries such as russia, china, central asia, and now iran. and it focuses on issues, i mean, for security to economics. so politics and it's a very good alliance because it means that all of the countries info on now, members of the shanghai cooperation organization and iran having been as mrs . so the alliance demonstrates how iran's influence not just in the middle east, but in the why the world is growing. and i consider it wrong. it makes sense to be

very good, especially for the security of that region. yes, it will be good for trade, but i believe that there is, of course, a very serious islamist terrorists presence, growing not just in central asia, but also in the went in the chinese region are seeing saying. and i believe that iran as a result of its tremendous experience in fighting against terrorism. after all, it was a wrong that prevented the cancerous tentacles of the pallet from extend them into the waist, will be able now to bind. so information with countries in b. s. c o, russia and china, which will be imperative semen and the space in the midst, terrorism and islamists, is the msm in general infatuation states. but of course the americans, who as i said, remain very much in africa. miss dawn will view iran submitted admissions to the seo with increasing consternation because on the one hand that shows that surrounds

influence is growing. secondly, the shanghai corporation organized, has grown to such an extent now that the americans are exceedingly wary and concerned by its marcus brought it up in the midst of binding the, the shanghai cooperation organization. you know, people in the west, my li, stupidly making some kind of comparison with nato, which is, it's not ok because, you know, the, the security element may be there, definitely got counter terrorism. yes, definitely there. but there is the commercial economic element that is key could be the functioning of this organization. and this is why this is such a wind ball around because they're breaking out of the isolation, the maximum pressure warning that the us is the bite against the rain waiting and coming. so this is a very significant move, and this organization covers the array of land mass bass. ok and,

and this is a certainly a counter to the hedge. a monic aims us as for the duration land. go ahead. well, i will that to what mark just rightly said that there are some kind of cooperation relation was founded in 1997 on china's initiative and then allow it don't only and coach iran it didn't go in the park to stop. so basically when we're told by the west of need your own, there is so much contradiction between china. i just found the hate each other somehow. well the night to stay. so the west is not in the wall. they can be members of the same organization. and they children of yours just woke at all. there is a notion statement from their shanghai corporation organization from our collective security organization csu. you will never find that any been the guard against the particular country. every statement starts with their preamble,

that su is not directed against any particular country in the world. you know, this is very d from a to your right comparisons with need to make no sense because natal open recalls russia. you remember how hillary clinton clinton called russia hostile nation, and we all remember how nature even statement talked about adverse re, you know, china and introduce your reference and almost an amy. so this is basically, this is what, this is what is making as your so different from, from need to. it's a peaceful nation, not directed against a particular country. and why does it make the united states of the west so angry because it shows that you and d. d inside the same organization despite differences, cultural, political differences. and the idea suggested by that he's still insist on

having these democracy is versus of better theory. and they decided before that or thought it would be possible after again a barcode because just needed to remind you that again, for many years was the most important major l i outside the organization. you remember and look what happened to it. and the coming back to what we were talking about in the 1st part of the program. if we accept this idea of by that, that there are you mockers just and chris just right. then the why i people please suppose the democratic iraq and supposedly democratic libya. why are they lead to even the, from the bit and to beller, bella russia from iraq, iraq. so democrats, why are the change in it for the authoritarian bill? it was, so there are so when you think that just don't add up in the western in the world. thank you. on the wall page from your book. i mean, when you put everything into an ideological lens,

it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. and that's exactly what these people do, mark, this is something that iran is really push for for very, very hard. i think they had observers status starting in 2005 if i'm not mistaken. so this is a win all for them. and it shows that the, the american lead campaign crusade by can use that word against the ran it show slowly, but surely eroding, coming apart here. the country is very much self sufficient in many ways because of the sanctions. and now the massive economy deal made with china that we're the next quarter century. and this is a new page for our ran. it seems to me that made it through the worst year at least as far as the american policy against the ram. and i think as you pointed out, the region is going to be far more safer because there is real terrorism there. and having these and these cut all of these countries feel it. okay. and it's the common enemy. so i think that instead of coddling and protecting isis and the 31

flavors of g hon. these countries, michelle corporation organization are actually serious and biting it, go ahead markets one pizza. iran for over 42 years now has withstood a terrible terrific power rodge of sanctions placed on it by america. and yet it wrong not only has withstood the cause, but iran has grown stronger and stronger. and its recent admission to the s c o demonstrates that iran is more than just a regional player now. and it also goes to show how, how close iran's relations, political, economic, and military relations with both russia and china. all because of course, moscow and basing off the de facto lasers that's indisputable. iran has a very close relationship with china. hence why pacing was more than happy for iran

to be admitted. but even more important than that's, iran has a secret partnership with the russian federation that's on its own has changed the dynamics has changed the dimensions of the made the waste because no longer is iran face in america on its own like it for it during the 19 eighties and during the 1990s, so of course, the kremlin was very happy to see its strategic partner in the message to the s c r and the americans and the british who are very much in afghanistan. and of course, the taliban will continue to do the bidding on behalf of their western patrons to feel fractions because it's just russia and china and iran, as dmitri directly said, india and pakistan are also members of the young. so the americans can't help

feel somewhat strengthened by these countries in india because they are surrounding they also around in africa song. and it's no coincidence. i have a pizza about just stays after the telephone conquerors, afghanistan. the taliban announced that they would guarantee the security of western pipelines in afghanistan. that was very talent. and then days after that the c i a director match with the leadership of the pilot and that was very talent . and i believe that sooner rather than later, you will see washington and london establish diplomatic relations with those relations of their okay, well that the, the, the last page that saga has yet to be written. i agree with much of what you have to say, but i think the idea for a separate programs, i want to thank my guess in london and here in moscow, i want to take our viewers from watching as your, our dc you next time. remember,

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