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i'm sure it has here we're going underground. will gusting the stories drowned out by mainstream media noise coming up in the show. we talk to wiki leeks, about alleged revelations of propose us plan for car crashes helicopter, doubting passenger planes, and gun battles in the streets of london hall to the kids that will kill julian. it's on the most famous journalist in the world. and with soldiers on standby, in a last ditch attempt to britain's energy crisis, we investigated when the panic buying and the collapse of privatized energy companies actually present the u. k. with an opportunity to say, well, this is coming up in today's going underground. today is the deadline for document submission that could release julian a sons from prison in london. let's go to new revelations, about alleged discussions at the top actual onto the u. s. government, including the white house in the ca, that apparently involves a plot to kidnap and potentially assassinate the wiki, the founder as well as plans that involve gunfights on the streets of london and

opening fire and a rushing plane on new k soil. with the complicity of the british government, we've contacted the see a, the white as former us secretary of state. compare the you get home and foreign offices and 10 downing street about the contents of the investigation. but as of this recording, they have not got back to us. however, the ca and my payer have previously declined to comment on this subject. i'll join from reykjavik by wiki lix, editor in chief christian robinson. christian, thanks so much for coming back on. so 30 on the individuals in this is the coffee yahoo! news piece golf. a man who spoke to fight a warranty about the russian meddling on trump. we've got a page, but at least he's got, you all found his name back on tv. what do you make of the allegations? stunning revelation was quite shocking to see that this was being concocted in the, in the, in the state. so kids, nothing and possibly killing. we had to wind up some of this before through the proceedings in that spain,

the criminal proceedings against members of the security company. you see global, who are supposed to be overseen julian associates curity in the u. s. embassy and the embassy, but actually were bribed by the c into spying on julian, provide it in life, proceeds from the cameras inside the embassy and 2 devices that they implanted on top of that, of course, they were stealing legally privileged material called being phones and computers. of those who did that cetera, this is all as all come to the surface in the criminal proceedings and testified to towards that by a former employee as to now protected witnesses in case we knew that there was a dotted line to the now we have the confirmation in the, in the, in the story. well, the sorts of, but to be honest, i did not expect to be reading about plans to kidnap, to assassinate duty,

my sons or, and possibly others in the stroke of a we can use that is just the out rates just that, that could have taken place and the only thing the seems to have stopped that stopped it were, were, were meaningful considerations so that you know, some, some lawyers thought might come up, but they were looking for ways to make it legal, not to stop it, per se, just to make it leak and that has a strong implication, of course, for the extra this been hearing, but julia is facing in next month in london in the appeal process. why would up to 30 officials anonymously? and as i say, there are only allegations suddenly come out now, is it against the trump regime? is it and will you be cognizant of increased activity around the time that this article is about outside the ecuadorian embassy and knights, bridge in london. when you are visiting and princes, yes, we saw, and we actually,

julian took, took photographs from video of teams that were all outside the embassy. we knew that they were, were activity on towards that nature. i never brought my phone in. for example, after a certain period, because the good man to get access to it would come from much we knew that this was when this was going on. something was very fishy going on. the link for they were willing to go and there were no obstacles. nothing is, is, was conceived us and thinkable in this process. and that's what straight up to on pale who, according to the sources in the story, told him nothing is off the table. it was, you know, it's, it's, it's killing to read as we are talking about a timeframe. we're at the same time. the saudi is,

we're contemplating and planning to, to assess my cousin in turkey. at the same time, the ca is contemplating a fascinating julia in london now because we can see evidence that helicopters were being charted to bring down the passenger planes or guns that i didn't know he threw up boards to hit the ties of planes. but did you see evidence outside of armed british police outside the ecuadorian embassy? i mean, there's probably no call of a guns outside the ecuadorian embassy in the hands of british policemen. but this article seems to suggest the british were on board with the idea of shooting in london streets. well, i mean, we knew that in every building around them, there was. so they were they were occasionally actually leak material from, from, from those. it was the most they to in the

world just by heritage herod's department store. i mean, just like guns, i think the foot it shows guns, machine guns. yeah. they were, were the, the embassy. i mean, why would they arguing the legal niceties, obama obviously killed us citizens using drones, under his presidency? why would there be worried about killing julian sans or a australian citizen, or you and i slattich citizen, when you were in that embassy talking to him? well what, what seems to have the moods and it's sort of comes out in this article with tribal reason. let's pub despair. julia's leg was the location sensitivity of assassinating the somebody of the center of love. next to harold's, if to been in another location, why as she would have been considered just quite ok. interesting. you know,

named in the article, but in the article they talk about the fact that these unnamed british american secret people are talking about targeting oscar winning laura pointers, the film director, pulitzer prize going to glen greenwald. i mean, do you think they put you on a kill list? well, i'm curious to know, and i was sure i didn't know until after i'm gone and i will be made public. if ever i, cynthia, assume the wording of the land and be the what the sources are telling them or the journalist is that least the core group within we can use where under extensive surveillance, by all methods, nothing was off the table in that respect and of course,

my fail to very carefully crafted the new definition, or we can sort of our core group us space if you're hostile agent. so we all know what that means. i mean that there's in some circumstances, basically a lesson is to kill. i mean, he said it on television and when it comes to read definitions there, we're talking about redefining the word journalist into the phrase, information broker. maybe information brokers can be targeted. are they really journalists, this is in this is very chilling and should be cause on our rates as the average in the world. but this is so much in line with the p. these attempts to use the legal structure and really define outrageous activity by basically calling it something else. we all know that talk to wasn't cold torture. it was ok if you just called it in interpretation

and things of that nature. so this is, this is part of that mindset that was going on and it shows that there was willingness to go to great lengths to crack down on to them list who were exposing the secrets of the united states. and the article is just a chilling read and should be for every every journalist and every individual cares about, press freedom and call found ation of core values for our democracy . but of course, this happened after the volt 7 releases by wiki leaks, the largest ca leak in history. according to them, you have more volt 7 documents. why haven't released them? well we, we went through a 1000000000 process. i was not in walton and personally that was

a lease was carefully considered before or leave us with all documents that we release. it was in the public interest to at least the documents that were released . and nobody can tell me that is just journalist, laughable or terrifying with the article dispatcher that he says the problem was for the americans to be couldn't tie your organization to russia. and that was the rationale behind this idea of kidnapping your found, let alone the previous revelations that he could be deliberately poisoned by the united states. what is mentioned in the article that settled this outrages big killers plan to have a shoot out of the center. love them, smash into cars or shoot. the tires when taken off was an absolute

bogus story that's the, that's the julian was about to escape to moscow. and then there was a plan to do that. i mean it's, it's, it's on, well documented, in this period, the dorian make julian this month and they were considerations to put them to possibly relocate to someone i could for him. embassies outside london, if that would be feasible and possible. russia was never on the table for the fall, but, but getting a lot of good status within the embassy to increased protection while things were getting more hostile on the outside. so it's, my speculation is that this was, this was something that emanates from the, the good friends of ca, at the, the security company in the embassy who was always coming up with some mad

stories to justify the $200000.00 a month for they got for, for spying on julian and visitors in the embassy, you the same, same sort of thought went into the feeding, feeding the since to the guardian journalist lou, carpeting that call man, afford had frequency this of the embassy a story that everybody know is absolutely true. yeah, the guardian, the famous me and one of those articles i have to say they haven't retracted it, christian or athens, and i'll stop you there. more in the future of wiki leaks from its editor in chief up to this break plus the prospect of soldiers deployed. not this time for one of nature as was documented by wiki leaks with because of britain's energy crisis.

join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me kaiser's financial survival guide. liquid assets are those that you can convert into cash quite easily. but keep in mind, no, i mean to inflation better watch guys reported me welcome back. i'm still here with chris dinner. evans and editor in chief of wiki leaks, you seeking information from morris johnson. johnson was a foreign secretary in 2017 the m i 6 boss here is answerable was answerable to him . and the article alleges that the secret service is here. we're all on board with a gun battle, although they didn't want him to be assassinated in the embassy. well, it is now the role of london based journalist to actually go out to the story. and

i would simply assume that the journalist in london will go and demand answers about how far and how deep the indicated it is in the okay, where in this all these plans there are indication that they wear and they took part. but we need to know how deep that went. that is absolutely a story that has to come up. we are, of course we of course focus, you know, one of the, the, the matter at hand, which is that the appeal process. i want to get on to that hearing, i should say, i downing street haven't go back to that. but 60 doctors in 2019 said that julian sons could die in bell much prison. they signed the letter. so he's actually all this kidnapping is as a nation crashing because gun battles. academic given the de facto julius on is

being assassinated right now. in london is a punishment to true posters and keeping him in bel most prison gallons every principal in, in the book. and everybody knows. he has now been, i mean, man, prisoner. since the last week for 2 years more than 2 years now, that that goes far beyond the bracket that is considered normal to any prisoner. we're talking about a non violent prisoner who are now fighting extradition. cool as one in the magistrate court and he's still sitting at belmont prison. of course it's tortures these conditions. and of course this is the, the time to, to, to, to, to have them by the process. and by dragging this out and do you think this article

will help to make the case even more clearer that julius on should be freed at the end of october, have his hearing immediately given that the whole process is being turned into doubt? yes, of course. it should have a bearing and circumstance. and so there are 2 main reasons. one is, of course, that the if julian is expedited to the states, it will be in the hands of the c, a 2 to decide whether he is put under so called sam spectral administrative measures, which is another word for 12 to an isolation and horrible present competitions, so his faith on he was ground would be in the hands of those who were planning to kill him. that should be reason enough. and another important issue to consider that as well is that when these discussions were going on about the kid were killed in london,

there was no indictment out against julia. he hadn't been charged with anything. and actually it was very clear out. but the main reason whether justice department was pushed to create an indictment under seal was that they wanted to have an indictment in place. if you see i would go broke and county and these plans forward . so if there was any doubt about the political nature of the indictment and the creation of the entire case, it is now on firmed to be. so it is a political persecution and nothing else because in robinson, thank you and everyone can go see we're helix is volt 7 ca links, and we're getting sorta organ again. as of this recording, we haven't heard back from the c a. the way it has like 10 downing street or the u . k. foreign or home offices, but we'll keep you updated in the future program when or if we get any response well away from revelations critical to the future of breast freedom. even

mainstream media here claims britain is now in the midst of an energy crisis with queues recall fuel energy companies going bankrupt and capitalism supply chain in chaos. but is there a silver lining? just weeks before will lead is meeting scotland for the cult 26. i'm, it's the biggest global climate crisis talk in years i'm joined by the former co director of the u. k. energy research center professor full leak. and thank you very much for coming on the show. could it me an opportunity instead of just being sad about the fuel crisis and the company's all going bust, a complete re evaluation of capital supply chains. and now energy is used in this country. i think the re evaluation needs to be the role of fossil fuels in the future. that's what we need to consider us. because we know that we're on a very bad track in respect to climate change. and the only way of addressing that is going to be to reduce the supply and demand. the fossil fuels gas cries, it's undoubtedly will encourage ended. it is encouraging people in the okay to look

at electric vehicles. so that's good news. but the very high gas prices, which are also could encourage more investment and gas, which of course would go and the other direction i'm would encourage. i'm more supply the column stream. and what we know is a shortage of hydrocarbons in the world. we've got supply chain this to snyder, so it may do to shortages drivers, but there's still plenty of hydrocarbons under the ground. i mean, literally, in the past few days, financial pages have been cheering. royal dutch shell selling the biggest u. s. oil, field permian basin to canoga phillips and people talking about that. and you are saying, no, no, it all these new discoveries, all these takeovers, everything has to stay in the ground for even the parents climate. 1.5 degrees to be pertinent. well, not quite everything. i mean, clearly we have societies but absolutely relying on fossil fuels at the moment and

we're not going to kick that habit very soon. but certainly our research showed us some 80 percent of coal, but we know about reserves. some 50 percent of 60 percent of oil and some 50 percent of gas is going to have to stay on the ground. and at the moment, the b inconsistency with climate change policy is as soon as any country has reserves and fossil fuels and that includes the u. k. it includes russia, includes a ravia. obviously they want to call them out of the ground as soon as possible for economic reasons. and that is something that's got to stop a course, you know, well and not being paid by k street right now. fossil fuel companies will all be saying, what are you talking about? we go carbon, offset, what he worrying about? well, i mean stream is skeptical about love and i mean stream the water is that all setting is now being used as a kind of get out of jail free card. we don't need to mitigate. we don't need to

have the energy transition because we can simply offset everything. and then when i look at these all says there are basically 2 main kinds of offset sort of planting trees. and we know that they are very uncertain. and we've had wildfires, all of our screens from australia to california, some of those for it will be an offset forest and then going up in smoke. and so the carbon problem is in the atmosphere and the 2nd kind of offset might be renewable energy investments. but there's no, there's no guarantees that they're going to be substituting for, for fossil fuel energy that could easily be additional terrorist. do you don't think that i mean the current fuel crisis here, the gas crisis, and so on, we need and this is being raise more and more a nationalized energy infrastructure rather than loads of private companies competing with each other on price and different. i know you favored something

called a personal carbon allows. we need a nationalized strategy, a centralized strategy. i'm sure you've been seeing what's happening in china and chinese plans for massive reductions of fossil fuel energy in the coming years. well, that's certainly one strategy. i mean, the chinese sort of state lead solution is still building a lot of co fired power stations. so it's clear doing both. they've got a lot of renewables on coming on line, but they're also still building new coal fired power stations. i've always thought that the markets can contribute to making to giving a solution to these problems through a carbon price. and, you know, when i look around the world, i don't necessarily see the state lead solutions produce low carbon solutions. what do you mean? i mean, cuba doesn't have a high carbon footprint. china, per capita, carbon footprint is nothing like britons or the united states. well, i mean, actually that lots of statement simply isn't true. the chinese carbon footprint per

person is now about the same level as the european carbon footprint. in terms of territorial emissions. cuba, oil emissions, you mean stations overseas, rather than on mainland china know by territorial emissions. i mean, the emissions actually on chinese territory, by the way, it's nothing like the united states, as i have to say, you favor a personal carbon allowance. you know, the rich people and private planes won't use your little credit card to, you know, to show that they've used that amount of carbon to flight monte carlo this weekend . i mean, isn't that a axiomatic, the near liberal response to the gun crisis? well known until they are liberal because it involves an enormous us intervention market. you would, you would simply produce a rationing of carbon. and it would be hugely progressive because the people you're talking about private planes. they wouldn't be able to buy the fuel without doing

the carbon, and the fuel would cost the money and they would have the rich people would get round this by stealing the carbon credit card. i don't, i don't know. i mean, apart from the lobbying, i mean, you must be seeing the lobbying as regards energy in this country. i don't know whether you saw that story about revelations of the case nor see regulated the oil and gas authority. the o g. a has 3 board directors, managers with hundreds of thousands invested in fossil fuel companies. what is the state of regulation of the energy sector here? well, i honestly don't think the u. k is very different from pretty well any other country, which is that they want to maximize the economic benefits from f also fuel resources answer only the u. k. i am very critical and i have been very critical both plans to open a new coal mine and the u. k. and plans to extend the instructional north sea oil and gas for precisely the reasons that we were discussing earlier.

that a very high proportion of these results is need to stay in the ground. you gave evidence at this, and i'm sure you're aware of what your opponent say, because you said we shouldn't be opening minds something i'm sure shared by a lot of people around the world. what did you make of wood mckenzie? some consultancy firm claiming the mind can make a contribution to future global metallurgical coal supply within the context of you k, you mean, legally binding carbon emissions and targets? well, i mean, i would say that wouldn't be where we're hearing increasing a bizarre frames from the fossil fuel industry that it can be met 0 and all these other kinds of things, partly through all set. and they, they west company of mining company for whom were mckenzie was doing it's for board . was training us. but they also, they, the mind that is proposed is for steal,

making. the claim is the by would mckenzie a mine in cumbria, some mine somewhere else in the world, probably in the united states would shut down and therefore it would be no increase in global carbon emissions because it would, wouldn't mind the west come rail. coal would substitute for the american co, i mean that's absolute economic nonsense. the american co would simply seat seat markets elsewhere. and the extra supply coming from west come rail low, relatively small, would have a significant effect on prices in the u. k. and europe. and that would make it more difficult to move away from coal and still making, despite the fact that there are a number of very promising projects to do just that. yeah, they, they deny it. west country, of course, i don't know associated with the lake dest. and the pastoral paradise who knows, i'm going to just finish by saying the green party looks at to hold while we don't

quite know yet a degree of degree more power in the most powerful economy in europe, in germany, there used to be a member, the green party, do you think it is important that green parties do well on the political side of things? as regards your view that fossil fuels, the vast majority of them need to be kept on the ground. if we're going to not to destroy an i late the species in principle, i think that could be helpful. but i think, i think the main influence green part is across the world in germany included, is that they put pressure on the so called mainstream part is to take these environmentalists use their personally. and we actually have a green party in the government. now in scotland, and it's perfectly apparent on taking a much stronger position on such things, those scottish oil and gas than the majority today, which is the scottish national party. and i think what i would hope is that the

green party in germany will get into coalition, and we'll start putting pressure on german coal use, which of course, is still very high, and they're still importing coal from, among other countries. russia. and i think that's something we definitely need to move away from reversible akins. thank you. very nice to told you class over the show will be like a saturday ahead of the conservative party conferences. bars johnson still writing in the polls displayed in energy crisis. fuel shortages and a level of child poverty, it is costing written 38000000 a year, all in one of the richest countries in the world until then keep in touch with social media and let us know if using revelations of us plans for gun battles on the streets of london to get enough. julianna's hunch, the credible i use as anglo merkel makes her exit from german politics. voters have made it clear that

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