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what kind of report the with me. hello and welcome to cross top where all things considered. i'm peter live out as anglo merkel makes her exit from german politics. voters have made it clear they were looking for new ideas and directions. wrinkles party suffered electoral defeat with smaller parties in the mix to form a new governing coalition. will this be called to merkel inheritance? the cross talking the german elections. i'm joined by my guess, man quarter up in london. he's a professor of political science and international relations,

and coventry university, as well as author of the book angler merkel. europe's most influential leader in frankfort. we have are like, broken now. he is a political analyst and professor of political science at stanford university in berlin. and in princeton we cross the harold james, he's a professor of history and international affairs at princeton university. his latest book is the war of ideas, a glossary of globalization. right gentlemen, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate its go to you 1st in frankfort, you're in germany here, before we talk about the, the election and what comes next. what is the legacy of anglo merkel? i mean, she is a towering figure in european politics has been for a very long time. she weathered quite a few crisis. these people have praised her of others who criticized her. but no matter what she made a huge mark in german politics in europe. european politics in general, what is her legacy? on the one hand,

there are great achievements. she come off the and managing crisis, being quiet, managing one step at a time and financial crisis. the greek crisis, the migration crisis breaks condemning. so everyone trusted as the successful crisis manager at the same time if you're trying to science, which is what she always described, way she's doing politics. she's not as pretty chick thinker, which means that in 16 years we never got a sense of what she wants that you're union come. she didn't support mark call sufficiently with idea what direction you want to guide the european union. so domestically, she is appreciated and people respect or across the part is back from politically speaking on the european level. that's quite well let's here,

let me go to you in princeton. i mean for what we just heard there. she's a good manager, but not much of a politician and in looking at the election, it seemed a lot about policy and not so much about politics, which is really quite strange. because if you look at france, it's very, very political hungry poll, and there is a lot of politics going on. but in the german election, a very much policy driven. is that a reflection of anglo merkel and her inheritance for germany? go ahead and princeton. yes, peter, it's great to be with you and i think you're right on that. so this was not a political election. there wasn't a big clash of ideas in germany. and so it's very unlike france with the macro depend race or artist johnson against jeremy corbin are in the united states. they trump biden started and a, one of the things i think it's important to realize is the major people who

presented themselves as possible candidates for being chance. it all presented themselves as the continuation of mac or as so the c d u candidate was obviously the anointed air in the perfect and show in the speedy. it was also really very much emphasizing the continuity and he looks like a figure who emphasizes the continuity with mrs. macro, also with how much mit getting back into the seventy's and eighty's and somebody who's tremendous be respected exactly the same way as missing back. i was as a centrist trigger, a crisis manager, and i think the complaint about not having strategy is not quite right. i mean, mrs. macro had a view of what globalization means. it means germany on its own con or the operate effectively it needs a bigger unit, so it needs a european ational and she was pushing that and i think it's,

it's unfair to say that mrs. mackerel didn't really understand europe the necessity of moving forward in europe. europe is a very diverse country, so i think you can actually expect a lot of continuity and say there's a recognition that there's a need to change. the specific policies to deal with that changed are not really clear. and everybody, for instance, thinks that this policy needed to deal with climate change. 3, tier 2 emissions every exactly the mechanism by which that's going to be achieved because it's going to be unpopular. i think putting up gasoline prices will bring up heating crisis. and you saw the reaction against that in france, where the julie, shawn, so there's a lot of debates in the coming weeks and months since the government is formed about exactly how that strategy is going to be implemented. you know, a mad one of the interesting things we look at the 2 major voting blocks in 2017.

it was different now that we see that miracles blocking took a slight electoral defeat here. but i don't see that, you know, again we've, we've mentioned the u. s. in france and all that, it's not so contentious. i mean, you would think with this kind of election outcome, it would be, you know, they would be slugging it out. but actually, the, the, the center is very much coveted and german politics. and i want to talk about the smaller parties because there's growing fragmentation. but it's really interesting is that even if you disagree with anglo merkel, there is this sense. it's built in that we need continuity. why is that? is it because of the last series of crises that we're, when we heard mentioned before, go ahead in london because germany, berkeley, and conservative reform in order to maintain it. she's all those journals are the carbon copy of the definition of a true. so the way to teach and my political theory, you know, you only make changes in order the same. and what is interesting about german

politics is that in a way, it's become more in the geological sense, conservative or just maintaining that the status quo, and during the wasting. and what is also interesting is the other predictor policy spread. so we start with the critical t drinking. why, why does this have moved to the center? there was a lecture the what, how big are going to be going to be just on the 17th day of the christ and democratic policy where they said state and last, 2nd government policy. there is a find unique football team or politics always win. and it was almost as if there was been corruption on the ground. so everybody was trying to be the chris, which is a party that very interesting be the 1st 35 years. why didn't have a program sometimes as

a counselor. so an organizer should like to talk. so german politics. well, very good story to reset my school, the much more about the why, but we all know there's some given politics. one where can reach is the as a problem is they've been the or. ready and, and nobody, once i get mad you, you took the words right out of my mouth because christmas not a word that you applied to german politics, particularly in the last election. but there's nothing wrong with that. ok. let's go back to our guest in frankfort. you know, we talked about merkle and her, the, and the, and, and her major opponents, s p d. but the next government is going to be made up of the pie breaker. the king makers are going to be the smaller parties, the green parties, liberals like that. i mean, is this where the continuity and change meet. go ahead and frankfurt. well,

1st of all, to clarify what i meant in my 1st paper, and i never said the euro. i said that she never presented decision where she wants europe to guide. and if we compare it with science, was most likely the next chancellor sex when we formed the next generation you host damage recovery package. he called madison moment that the european union will finally see something like a union, as a stabilizing macroeconomic specter to make the monetary union more robust. you cannot make crisis. so that might be something that we will see happening in a lot, especially the next receiving countries. a waiting for such a think know that germany is not taking responsibility. be being more away from what used to be the old song of therapy is key and we have to keep our budget in

order when it comes to he's also not so much about therapies. p rather wants to germany to invest in on an annual basis to find the needs coming years. and his priority as the head of the green party, of course is address climate. so in case we will be, i think we're listen happening. we have a coalition of the green party and the democrats pushing the direction which would also be beneficial for you and the expect also the liberal party that was always addressing the you're off, we would build a money pipeline to the south and we would all on the waste taxpayer money. so there will be a policy in the german government before we even reach the european level.

harold, where was europe in this election? it was and i want to talk about foreign policy in the 2nd half of the program. it was, it was remind me, i'm talking to harold here in print. i mean, i've, i'm really remarkable because germany is the engine for better or worse if you like it or not, of the european project there. and it wasn't on the ballot as it were. go ahead, harold was, i think, in a way, yeah, sure, but you're right on that. it really was on the, in this all the main parties in the political center where explicitly pro european and that includes the f t p by the way the n t europe party at the f t a did very badly. and really only one votes in east germany at the same is true about the party. it was the former communist party to p d. s. it also did badly got under 5 percent of the vote as still represented in the

parliament though because of the peculiarities of the german election. but also really just in the eastern germany. and so in effect there's a anti european feeling in parts of eastern germany. but absolutely known in the old federal republic and there's an enormous consensus if there's an enormous consensus. you don't really need to have a disagreement about virtue in public order. it doesn't appear very prominent harold, i have to jump in here. i have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the german election. stay with our team the ah. hi now where we would have so many inputs on a daily basis that are completely unrelated to reality. so think about how in social media filters and they basically were present themselves very unreal. the

way we come out of fomo are there is any, involve more than that. it's about the sort of envious or something. it may not exist. it's also really tied to the fact that as humans, we want to be part of the crowd. ah, ah, ah, ah news me welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter le belts remind you were discussing the german elections. ah,

ah ok when i want to go to matt. but before i ask a question, i want to address harold. i didn't, i didn't want to give the impression that there was an anti european sentiment on the bow when i was saying a vision per your moving forward. fiscal policy, things like that. i, obviously the center is very pro european union. so i want to make back their match as harold was integers, say something that a famous famous slogan that how much mit had a long time ago. but is widely widely repeated about visions in politics in schmidt said if you have a vision, you should go and consult an eye doctor and consultant optician. that's probably why. okay. matt drew it when harold was answering his last question before it went to the break. you what you raise your hand one to jump in. still right now. go

ahead matt. yeah, so 1st of all that quote, i think he actually did not say not to ship one more more. so what i think one of the things that he's the legacy of medical in a negative sense comes back to the wrong. the prefer important you made the wrong peter about the difference between policy and politics and policy is about what works. politics, according to the famous german definition, is fear way between grand and enemy and in politics where he shouldn't have too many friends and enemies shouldn't be. would you need an element of that sort of hash june of emotion? and i think the miracle has had, is that she's been very good policy making very good, a government by a spreadsheet. but sometimes you need a little bit more, especially when you feel that your dentist might be question and i agree with. so by the way, you know, the division is politics between friend and enemy. that was

a definition that was produced by college schmidt really were very, very close to the nazi party. and it's exactly the vision of something that you have and well divided into friends and enemies with a 0 sum game. and they all tentative view is a view in which you do cooperation and you to tradeoffs and you, you make compromises. and that's a, that's a realistic and productive view of the world it's, it's not, it's not a bad view or it's, it's actually very constructive. you can be very constructive. you the problem that i was going tonight was that uncle and me, i can see still not focusing on the, the emotional side or politics. and when people in eastern europe, in particular, felt that there was globalized nation, there was immigration, and then they have been basically wanting more politics and less on a c. and i think the paradox about i'm glad that she's been so focused on policy.

she failed to recognize the will. the fears of those were in america might be called the left and especially the police in europe wasting german for wasting germany who vote for the a f d or. ready d link s b s. ok, let's go back to our guest and praying for talk about the, the, the greens and the, the other small parties here. because it's very interesting that the greens didn't do as well as so many had hoped a few months ago. but if you look at the who voted forum, it was remarkably large number of young people. and in that sense, the climate was on the ballot and, and we, what i'm getting at here is there is a generational change going on. now, how do you put that into the mix here because we still have this kind of very traditional set of parties that we're, that we're all familiar with here. but, you know, the green party, in my mind is kind of a wild card because even though it didn't do as well as people expected, it's voting bass is pretty fervent and, and quite large when you,

when you look at the demographics, what do you think about that go ahead remarkable because it all started and i just party and now they are conservative and they want to conserve the environment. what we also see is supported by young people, but young people don't matter a country that have a serious problem when elections in the center elections where the old people and maxim managed to deal with the old voters from the social democrats, by me being the concept of the party, the problematic core from conservative to the center that allowed her to really 4 times. now that the new leaders tried to move the conservative party back to where it came from. every one went back to the social democrats, and the social democrats won the elections with voters,

which means that old people are afraid of change and they are now pushed by the liberal one young voters party supporters are young and it will be a very interesting coalition if it's a conservative change from the green party has a different understanding of conservatism. they'll also progressive together with the liberal party paces to slow down. not so fast, not understanding of what leadership is you know, herald. one of the things i liked about the german election is how people coined these words for potential coalitions. i'm gonna read off a few of the traffic light coalition, the grand coalition, the can you coalition, the jamaica coalition, there actually a few other ones with colors here. what's this going to look like over the next few weeks, maybe months here? what is going to be the, the bones of contention? what's going to be the deal breaker for a coalition to come into existence,

go ahead. harold and princeton will indeed say the parties all have colors that are associated with them. and so it's easy to refer to the possible combinations by the name of national facts that happened to be in the color. so, the germany coalition, for instance, is black red gold or black red yellow is black for the christian democrats. read for the social democrats, yellow for the liberals. and the fundamental point i think is a rather peculiar one. that is, that everybody is fed up with the great coalition, with s p d c, d u coalition. although actually looking at it numerically, that would make the greater sense in the face of the 2 largest parties. and they probably could just have a very, very narrow majority in the parliament. there's

a feeling better tired. and even though the parties are very, very close in political doctrines, they didn't want to do that. and i think that makes the point again, that this is largely about personalities rather than a bad concrete policies liberal. so say, i think is being shipped by both national reach the liberals, our more to the rights on economic policy on financial policy and more resistant to the idea of a debt. europe is ation hamiltonian moment. and the s p d and the greens would like to put up texas. so there's going to be really a substantial debate about that. and i think, you know, both actually reflect elements. that's our performance represented in the german psychic. another favorite german phrase that gets recycling again and again is from

good his house to so dwelling my breast and try zealand, vol. and i can my, the pros and j one. so says, you should do things, your should be collective and you should have a collective vision and the other. so says you need to be careful and cautious, and it's a good idea to save in order to prepare yourself for future catastrophes. one of the reasons that the german government had a big room from new over going into the covey crisis into the pandemic with her really unprecedented economic suddenly can chart was exactly that. they accumulated the strong cisco position. they have a much greater room for new. and so the f t p 's words on caution, i think are also heated by shots and there's not a wire spend it passed and he's cautious and he's right to be cautious. he does seem to me to be exactly the to him which met and he is sometimes make something of

that, you know, and, but madness doesn't. the grand coalition make more make sense to continue here because of the moderation and holding onto the center here because we look at these other party, the smaller party they all last in, in vote compared to the last general election for the parliament here. so i mean what you say with what works, but i know people didn't like the grand coalition, but it was because the, and particularly going through all of the crises that we have seen over the last few years. do you think it inevitably that's going to be it? i mean, it's fun to tinker on the sides, but is it? is it time to have fun? is it time to be tinkering? go ahead, matt. i think the, the, the vanity of the, of the green policy and the liberal policy both received them into government. i think it is conceivable that christian, a liberal leader will become finance minister that either lead to be up or with the foreign minister. and because of the, the vice chancellor and then shows would be the chancellor and that would give him

the sort of support. and they will be then pretty happy with the thing in germany, which is that in to $65.00 of the constitution says the charles lays out the guidelines all this. so the chancellor is slightly more than a prime minister and so on. so the other ones would get one or 2 points and they would be able to, if somebody would be, know why that was either go up or down, they will be happy with that. i mean, before does she go last time, the liberals were kicking up a bit faster than they ended up not going. it's collision in the social democrats where we dragged, kicking and screaming into coalition government and, and for more time in a last. so i think the, the, the conservative, the cd you, i'm the c su, very important would not want to go into coalition because they would have to be a junior. that's right. they'd be flipped. yeah. right. let me go to you in

frankfort here to finish off here. what's your price? what one minute when, what's your prognosis or we're going to get what kind of government go ahead. i think lasha max. it's a political some be, he's already dad, but he's not aware of it. and the only reason why liberals and the reading parties give him the feeling that it's still a life is that it helps them to put pressure on us for the street like coalition to raise the price for what they get in return for election. that's the only reason a no one, neither on the democrat side, nor on the conservative side could ever imagine that with a result like this and you want in germany would accept they continue with the grand coalition that only switch this is a no go. and jamaica, it's only a part a chip, while the ongoing, precise wireless and talk and that,

and it remains to be seen at what position, which is very important given the large ego or the head of our okay, what we run out of time gentlemen, but one thing is pressure, angland miracle's presence is going to be felt for a long time to come. many thanks my guest said london, frankfurt and in princeton. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our tc next time. and remember, cross talk roles the ah, jamie diamond critical a bit claim starting what it was, a $200.00 a point. it's now around 45000 coin adding as he points out, 10 x from here. so he's looking for up to 450 to 5 and about a coin the,

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