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and gun battles in the streets of london hall to the kids that will kill julian assange, the most famous journalist in the world. and with soldiers on standby, and i love your time to come britain's energy crisis, we investigated with a panic buying. and the collapse of privatized energy companies actually present the u. k. with an opportunity to say the whole list of all coming up in today's going underground today is the deadline for document submission that could release julian sons from prison in london. let's go to new revelations, about alleged discussions at the top actual to the u. s. government including the white house in the ca, that apparently involves a plot to kidnap and potentially assassinate the wiki leaks found as well as plans that involve gunfights on the streets of london and opening fire and rushing plane on new k soil. with the complicity of the british government, we've contacted to see a, the way to its former us secretary of state, my compare the u. k. home and foreign offices and 10 downing street about the contents of the investigation. but as of this recording, they have not got back to us. however, the ca and my payer previously declined to comment on this subject. i'll join from

reykjavik by wiki lix, editor in chief christian robinson. christian, thanks so much for coming back on. so 30 on the individuals in this is the coffee yahoo news piece. it's a golf, a man who spoke to pfizer. warranty about the russian. middling on trump. we've got a package, but at least he's got, you all found his name back on tv. what do you make of the allegations made you so stunning? revelation was quite shocking to see that this was being concocted in the, in the, in the states kit. nothing and possibly killing. we had to wind up some of this before through the proceedings in that spain criminal proceedings against members of the security company. you see global who are supposed to be overseeing julianna's house. it's be curity in the u. s. embassy and the african embassy that actually were bribed by the ca into spying on julian, provide it in life, proceeds from the cameras inside the embassy and 2 devices that they implanted on

top of that, of course, they were stealing legally privileged material called being phones and computers of those who did that cetera, this is all as all come to the surface in the criminal proceedings and are tested by towards the former employers to know protected witnesses in case we knew that there was a dotted line to the now we have the confirmation in the, in the, in the story. well, review sorts of but it to be honest, i did not expect to be reading about plans to kidnap, to assassinate duty, my sons or, and possibly others have in their stroke, which leads lead is just the outrage just that that could have taken place. and the only thing the seems to have stopped the stopped it were, were, were illegal considerations so that you know, some,

some lawyers thought might come up, but they were looking for ways to make it legal, not to stop it, per se, just liquid lee. and that has a strong implication, of course, for the extra dish been hearing. but julia is facing next month in london in the appeal process. why would up to 30 officials anonymously? and as i say, their only allegations suddenly come out now, is it against the trump regime? is it and will you be cognizant of increased activity around the time that this article is about outside the ecuadorian embassy and knights, bridge in london. when you are visiting in princes, yes, we saw, and we actually, julian took 2 photographs, a video of teams that were all outside the embassy. we knew that they were, were activity on towards that nature. i never brought my phone, for example, after a certain period because the good man to get access to it would come from much.

we knew that this twist with this was going on. something was very fishy, the going on. the link for they were willing to go and there were no obstacles. nothing is, is, was conceived us unthinkable in this process. and that went straight up to on pale who, according to the sources in the story, told him nothing is off the table. it was, you know, it's, it's, it's killing to read this. we are talking about a timeframe. we're at the same time the saudis were contemplating and planning to to assessment console in turkey. at the same time, the ca is contemplating a fascinating julia in london. now, because we can see evidence that helicopters were being charted to bring down the passenger planes or guns that i didn't,

or he threw up boards to hit the ties of planes. but did you see evidence outside of armed british police outside the ecuadorian embassy? i mean, they probably know call of a guns outside the ecuadorian embassy in the hands of british policemen. but this article seems to suggest the british were on board with the idea of shooting in london streets. well, i mean, we knew that in every building there was so they would have said that they were occasionally actually the material from, from, from those it was the most they to and the world just by heritage herridge department store. i mean the guns. i think the foot it shows guns, machine guns. yeah. they were, they were going around the empathy. i mean, why would they arguing the legal niceties,

obama obviously killed us citizens using drones under his presidency. why would there be worried about killing julian sans or a australian citizen, or you and i said, dick, citizen, when you were in that embassy talking to him, well, what, what seems to have emerged and it's sort of a good comes out in this article, is that the tribal reason that's pub, despair, julia's leg was the location sensitivity of assassinating somebody of the center of love. next to harold's, if to live in another location, why as she would have been considered just quite ok. interesting. you know, named in the article, but in the article they talk about the fact that these unnamed british american secret people are talking about targeting oscar winning. laura pointers, the film director, pulitzer prize winner, glenn greenwald. i mean, do you think they put you on a kill list?

well, i'm curious to know, and i was sure i know after i'm i'm dead and gone and i will be made public if ever i cynthia, assume the wording of kurland and be the what the sources are telling me. tell them the journalist is at least a core group within we can use we're under extensive surveillance by all methods. nothing was off the table in that respect. and of course, my fail to very carefully crafted new definition. we can say our quote group, us space. if ya, style agent. so we all know what that means, that there's, in some circumstances, it's basically a lesson to kill. i mean, he said it on television. and when it comes to read definitions there, we're talking about redefining the word journalist into the phrase,

information broker. maybe information brokers can be targeted. are they really journalists, this is in this value chilling and should be cause and our rates as the average in the world. but this is so much in line with the p. these attempts to use the legal structure and really defined outrageous activity by basically calling it something else. we all know that talk to wasn't cold torture. it was ok if you just called it in a temporary day should and things of that nature. this is, this is part of that mindset that was going on and it shows that there was willingness to go to great lengths to crack down on to them list who were exposing the secrets of the united states. and this article

is just a chilling re, should be for every, every journalist and every individual, the cares about, press freedom and, and found ation of core values for our democracy. but of course, this happened after the volt 7 releases by wiki league, the largest c, a leak in history. according to them, you have more volt 7 documents. why haven't released them? well we, we went through a 1000000000 process. i was not involved personally, that was a lease was carefully considered before or leave us with a little documents. so we release it was in the public interest to release the documents that were released. and nobody can tell me that is just journalist to contribute to laughable or terrifying with the article dispatcher that he says the

problem was for the americans to be couldn't tie your organization to russia. and that was the rationale behind this idea of kidnapping your found. let alone the previous revelations that he could be deliberately poisoned by the united states. what is mentioned in the article, settled, outrages, big killers, plan to have a shoot out of the center. loves them smash into cars or shoot. the tires were taken off, was an absolute bogus story. that's the, that's the julian was about to escape to moscow. and then there was a plan to do that. i mean it's, it's, it's on well documented in this period, you could dorian make julian a month and they were considerations to put them to possibly

relocate to someone i could for him. embassies outside london, if that would be feasible and possible. russia was never on the table of thought about that, but give me a diplomatic status within the embassy to increased protection while things were getting more hostile on the outside. so it's, my speculation is that this was, this was something that emanates from the good friends of ca, at the, the security company in the embassy who was always coming up with some mad stories to justify the 2 $100000.00 a month for they called for for spying on julian and visitors in the embassy, you the same, same sort of thought went into the feeding, feeding the since to the guardian journalist lou, carpeting that call man,

afford had frequency visit the embassy a story that everybody know is absolutely true. yeah, the god in the famous me and one of those because i have to say they haven't retracted it. christian or athens, and i'll stop you there. more on the future of wiki leaks from its editor in chief up to this break plus the prospect of soldiers deployed not this time, but one of nature's was documented by wiki leaks with because of britain's energy crisis. join me every thursday on the alex simon show. when i was speaking to guess in the world, the politic sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me the welcome back. i'm still here with christian or evans and editor in chief of wiki leaks. you seeking information from birth. johnson johnson was

a foreign secretary in 2017 the m i 6 boss here is answerable was answerable to him . and the article alleges that the secret service is here. we're all on board with a gun battle, although they didn't want him to be assassinated in the embassy. well, it is now the role of london based journalist to actually go out to the story. and i would simply assume that the journalist in london will go and demand, and this was about how far and how deep the implicated is in the okay, we're in this all his plans, the indication that they wear and they took part, but we need to know how deep that went, that is absolutely a story that has to come up. we are of course, we course focusing now one of the, the, the matter at hand, which is that the appeal process. i want to get on to that

hearing, i should say, i downing street haven't go back to that. but 60 doctors in 2019 said that julian, a sons could die in bell mush prison. they signed a letter, so he's actually all this kidnapping, assassination crashing cars, gun battles academic given, the de facto julius on is being assassinated right now. in london is a punishment to posters and keeping him in bel most prison gallons every principal in the book and everybody knows he has now been, i mean, man, prisoner since last week, for 2 years more than 2 years now that that goes far beyond the bracket the that, that is considered you know, normal for any prisoner. we're talking about a non violent prisoner who is now fighting extradition. cool as

one in the magistrate court, and he's still sitting in bel much president. of course, it's tortures these conditions and of course this is the, the, you know, attempting to, to, to, to have them by the process. and by dragging this and do you think this article will help to make the case even more clearer that julius on should be freed at the end of october, have his hearing immediately given that the whole process is being that it's about? yes, of course, it should have a bearing in any circumstances. so there are 2 main reasons. one is, of course that the if julian is expedited to to the states, it will be in the hands of the c h to, to decide whether he is put under so called sam spectral administrative measures, which is another word for 12 to an isolation and horrible present competitions. so

his faith on us ground would be in the hands of those who are planning to kidnap kill him. then we should be reason enough. and another important issue to consider that as well is that when these discussions were going on about the kid were killed in london, there was no engagement out against julia. he hadn't been charged with anything. and actually it was very clearly article. but the main reason when the justice department was pushed to create an indictment under seal, was that they wanted to have an indictment in place to see, i would go roque and coney these plans forward. so if there was any doubt about the political nature of the indictment and the creation of the entire case, it is now and firmed to be. so it is a political persecution and nothing else because in robinson, thank you. and everyone can go see we can weeks is volt 7, ca, leaks,

and we're getting sort organ again. as of this recording, we haven't heard back from the see a, the way it has, mike, 110 downing street or the u. k for an all home offices, but will keep you updated in a future program when or if we get any response. well away from revelation is critical to the future of breast freedom even go mainstream media here. claims britain is now in the midst of an energy crisis, with queues for car fuel energy companies going bankrupt and capitalism supply chain in chaos. but is there a silver lining? just weeks before will lead me to scotland for the cult 26, some of the biggest global climate crisis talk in years, i'm joined by the former co director of the u. k. energy research center professor full weekend. thank you very much for coming on the show. could it me an opportunity instead of just being sad about the fuel crisis and the company's all going bust, a complete reevaluation of capital supply chains and now energy is used in this country. but i think the re evaluation needs to be the role of fossil fuels in the

future. that's what we need to consider us. because we know that we're on a very bad track in respect to time and change. and the only way of addressing that is going to be to reduce the supply and demand. the fossil fuels gas crisis undoubtedly will encourage and indeed is encouraging people in the okay to look at electric vehicles. so that's good news. but the very high gas prices, which are also could encourage more investment and gas, which of course would go and the other direction i would encourage, i'm more supply the column stream. and what we know is that shortage of hydrocarbons in the world, we've got supply chain this to snyder, so it may do to shortages of drivers. but there's still plenty of hydrocarbons under the ground. i mean, literally, in the past few days, the financial pages have been cheering. royal dutch shell selling the biggest us oil, field, permian basin to canoe go phillips and people talking about that. and you are

saying, no, no, all these new discoveries, all these takeovers, everything has to stay in the ground for even the parents climbing 1.5 degrees to be pertinent. well, not quite everything. i mean, clearly we have societies but absolutely relying on fossil fuels at the moment and we're not going to kick that habit very soon. but certainly our research shows that some 80 percent of coal. we know about reserves, some 50 percent of 60 percent of oil and some 50 percent of gas is going to have to stay on the ground. and at the moment, the big inconsistency with climate change policy. but as soon as any country has reserves and fossil fuels, and that includes the u. k, it includes russia, includes a ravia. obviously they want to pull them out of the ground as soon as possible for economic reasons. and that is something that's got to stop a course, you know,

well and not being paid by k street right now. fossil fuel companies will all be saying, what are you talking about? we got carbon offset, what are you wearing about? well, i mean stream is skeptical about love and i mean stream the water is that all setting is now being used as a kind of get out of jail free card. we don't need to mitigate. we don't need to have the energy transition because we can simply offset everything. and then when i look at these all says there are basically 2 main kinds of all said sort of planting trees. and we know that they are very uncertain. and we've had wildfires all across screens from australia to california. some of those for us will be an offset forest and i've gone up in smoke and so the carbon from them is in the atmosphere. and the 2nd kind of offset might be renewable energy investments. but there's no, there's no guarantees that they're going to be substituting for, for fossil fuel energy that could easily be additional terrorists. do you don't think that i mean the current fuel crisis here, the gas crisis, and so on,

we need and this is being raise more and more a nationalized energy infrastructure rather than loads of private companies competing with each other on price and different. i know you favored something called a personal carbon allows. we need a nationalized strategy, a centralized strategy. i'm sure you've been seeing what's happening in china and chinese plans for massive reductions of fossil fuel energy in the coming years. well, that's certainly one strategy. i mean, the chinese sort of state lead solution is still building a lot of co fire stations. so it's clear doing both. they've got a lot of renewables on coming online, but they're also still building new coal fired power stations. i've always thought that the market can contribute to making, giving a solution to these problems through a carbon price. and, you know, when i look around the world,

i don't necessarily see the state lead solutions produce low carbon solutions. what do you mean? i mean, cuba doesn't have a high carbon footprint. china is a capital carbon footprint is nothing like britons or the united states. well, i mean, actually that lots of statement simply isn't true. the, the chinese carbon footprint per person is now at about the same level as the european carbon footprint. in terms of the territorial emissions. cuba, oil emissions, yamini stations overseas, rather than on mainland china know, by territorial emissions. i mean, the emissions actually on chinese territory, by the way, it's nothing like the united states is i have to say you favor a personal carbon allowance. you know, the rich people on private planes won't use your little credit card to, you know, to show that they've used that amount of carbon to fly to monte carlo this weekend . i mean, isn't that an axiom ethically near liberal response to the gun crisis?

well known tool near liberal because it involves an enormous us intervention market . you would, you would simply produce a rationing all carbon. and it would be hugely progressive because the people you're talking about private planes. they wouldn't be able to buy the fuel without doing the carbon and the, the fuel would cost the money and they would have the rich people would get round this by stealing the carbon credit card. i don't, i don't know. i mean, apart from the lobbying, i mean, you must be seeing the lobbying as regards energy in this country. i don't know whether you saw that story about revelations of the case nor see regulated the oil and gas authority. the o g. a has 3 board directors, managers with hundreds of thousands invested in fossil fuel companies. what is the state of regulation of the energy sector? yeah, well i honestly don't think the u. k is very different from pretty well any other country,

which is that they want to maximize the economic benefits from f also fuel resources and the, the, you k, i am very critical and i have been very critical both plans to open a new coal mine and the u. k. and plans to extend the instructional north sea oil and gas for precisely the reasons that we were discussing earlier that a very high proportion of these results is need to stay in the ground. you gave evidence at this, and i'm sure you're aware of what your opponent say, because you said we shouldn't be opening thing minds something i'm sure shared by a lot of people around the world. what did you make of wood mckenzie? some consultancy firm claiming the mind can make a contribution to future global metallurgical coal supply within the context of you k, you meeting legally binding carbon emissions and target? well, i mean, it would say that wouldn't be where we're hearing increasing bizarre frames from

the fossil fuel industry that it can be met 0 and all these other kinds of things. partly through offset. some they they west cumbria mining company for whom were mackenzie was doing. it's for board was training us but they also they the mind that is proposed is for steal, making. the claim is the by would mackenzie opening a mine in cumbria? some mine somewhere else in the world, probably in the united states would shut down, and therefore it would be no increase in global carbon emissions because it would, that would mind the west come rail. coal would substitute for the american co. i mean, that's absolute economic nonsense. the american co would simply seat seat markets elsewhere. and the extra supply coming from west come rail low, relatively small, would have a significant effect on prices in the u. k. and europe. and that would make it more difficult to move away from coal and still making, despite the fact that there are

a number of very promising projects to do just that. yeah, they, they deny it. west country, of course, i don't know associated with the lake dest. and pastoral paradise, who knows, i'm going to just finish by saying the green party looks at to hold while we don't quite know yet a degree of degree more power in the most powerful economy in europe, in germany, there used to be a member of the green party, do you think it is important that green parties do well on the political side of things? as regards your view, that fossil fuels of us, majority of them need to be kept on the ground. if we're going to not to destroy an i late the species and principal, i think that could be helpful. but i think, i think the main influence green parties across the world in germany included, is that they put pressure on the so called mainstream part is to take these environmental issues here personally. and we actually have a green party in the government now in scotland. and it's perfectly apparent that

they are taking a much stronger position on such things as scottish oil and gas than the majority today, which is the scottish national party. and i think what i would hope is that the green body in germany will get into coalition, and we'll start putting pressure on german coal use, which of course, is still very high. and that's still importing coal from among other countries. russia. i think that's something that we definitely need to move away from preventable akins. thank you. very nice to told you class over the show will be like a saturday ahead of the conservative party conferences, lawrence johnson, still writing in the polls. it's quite an energy crisis. fuel shortages and a level of child poverty, it is costing written 38000000 a year, all in one of which is countries in the world until then keep in touch with social media and let us know if using revelations of us plans for gun battles on the

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