all white is getting to grips with covert 19, despite vaccines now, having been deployed for the best part of this year, worldwide daily news cases of the vital top half a 1000000 daily death over 8000. and the total debt it is an actually heading for $5000000.00 all this before the onset of winter and the heavily infected northern hemisphere. meanwhile, africa, it means that unvaccinated continent with billy 5 percent of the population covered . while in the u. k. a series of bizarre policy decisions has included delaying the vaccination of teenage school children till after the school year had turned. the results across all ford administrations is that the u. k. one of the highest vaccination rates in the world also now has one of the highest streets of infinity . those who talked for early signs of no kite blue for science over divide us looked at didn't to disappointment. but it's yet look, it's bleak. i think at 1st sight appear. well, today we've been well expert,

perfect. so the neil of trinity college dublin has emerged as one of the key commentators on the ability of vaccines to triumph recruiting virus. but fight your troops messages and emails in response to i sure elastic. i mean you keep part is constant season partition says no one standing up to the today's in this says the program is very informative. i was never important enough to be authority. thanks. vena john carnegie says labor i too much to the right now of course crystal infant referred to lifelong hero. 20 bed and last week. sure. and i'll newman says tony been was awesome. micro friendly says the english ship of state is hold below the water line. the only thing stopping it from the thinking completely is it makes a public money through an acid. gordon mackenzie says adrena cutty is always of great interest. not necessarily politically or factually correct. but always interesting. and finally,

while you're more says in relation to the ship of state ship, more like a punctured thing, a with a captain and clueless cabinet last seat, another back to the deployed, but divide is still ripping through society. we came to profess luca, neil of tennessee college dublin. profess underlying stay to play in the battle between science and the virus professor, look at meal. what's happening? what old? why, i mean i, we wedding less battle with corona by this probably black students to veiling. are the still plenty of pitfalls to come? well, it's much better than it was. i think at this time last year for a much better place mobile the let's start with that fact. but the still burning away, especially of developing countries. a big concern is low vaccination rates in the poor countries of the world in the west. calling for quite a while and europe especially thing very well. actually, we're getting close to our magic number for the magic number now is that 85 percent

are vaccinated? our have been infected. that's a really good place to be because you're not getting the granted praise her to mean it's, you know, that we don't like pretty much a certain you're getting a high level of protection in our community amount of items. i mean, we're talking the number one euro, anybody and i will post this of course we become a found anything funky we've got a 92 percent population vaccinated on monday. i'm not sure it's about a comes in europe, but even very well. but let's look at the u. k. d, the medical relatively high vaccinated countries, but have higher rates of the violet, sun, scotland, and extremely high rates, recently, and england rate. now increasing again. so what's going on? why is that a high vaccination country can still have relatively high rates of spread the virus? well, if you do have in america, for example, lots of large box. so very often the cases are in the back. but the majority of

cases will be in the maximize both you do receive, right? so the actions and maximize people as well. but the good news is it's not translating into severe disease and live ation pace numbers aren't especially informative, called the key metric here. it's severe disease liberation, the u. k. scott member holding study are telling study, right, that numbers up. i mean, last week i heard an expert in nature and overwhelm now in this phase of it, even though case numbers are all of the main increase hospitalization. that important certainly that we can the length between the spread of virus and hospitalisation and of course, deaths and polity. but when one of the chief medical advisors professional quickly just last week seemed surprised that 50 percent of english school children had been infected with a virus. why should that be a surprise? i know he was hoping mitigation was happening in a sense, you know,

because of the skills reopened the various mitigation measures in place and thing and ventilation and maybe surprising, quick impact that might be the thing you say. remember like, it's not a bad thing because it's already been 9 to even children. and if they get infected they will be protected and even more importantly, they'll be picking up delta a one more time. they will that will be protected from reinspection with down so, so i didn't see that as a negative light though i'm not surprised you because obviously the open, the fills and you've been sufficient mitigation. it will spread if it was in fact the chicken pox. now that now by the way, delta, by the way, and as you might remember which one class one pupil gets it, they all get chicken surprise and you're seeing the high level of but wouldn't have been a reasonable precaution to vaccinate the secondary school children before we went back to school as opposed to after work for definite, an ard and we did that. we began my over 12, maybe 34 months ago. now. i think it's something like 80 percent of the over 12 now

are, are 40 bucks and i got a great number to see. of course there are protect it. the next question is, what about the owners? and she'll be back in art about them all. actually, the main number 12, because maxima, you see, so i'm not tell the something. so whether we should move on and maximize another. another question, we're still thinking about school children, some suggestion and settling the u. k. the only be getting one of those of the $500.00. how does that make sense? professional in the strain in art and again you don't quite sure whether you went for one. i think it's because they've been inspected, trying to get one possibility, and then i get back to your shop and then you get your fresh like a 2nd shop knowing that may be the reason for that. but it was interesting that they kind of seem to give it away, maybe to the developing rock and never, not an art. and we get to shop if it's possible to, to choose from all this range of vaccines which become available and reckoned quick

time. it's a one of 2, a managing us, the as the clear front runners in terms of be efficacious as of a medicinal compound which is efficacious in every case. yeah, there is not a data as amazing. i mean, we've never studied of our much of history, the amount of knowledge we have in the past 18 month on the, on the side. probably 2 of ours is remarkable. let's start with that. the science behind it. tremendous. and then the vaccine deployments are measuring vaccine performance. and so something like 5000000000 people in the world that the number one shop and i made and then many to shop different boxing, you know, the title likes to be madonna. seems to be number one and then we have pfizer, the are and i have seen are really performing extremely well, and then we have what i call the no viral vaccine, astrazeneca johnson and johnson. so there are less affected than the, okay,

i'm in the beginning, 6070 percent protection. but what's really great is going to be an ologist is we may have come up with a technology for any to the impact of these using our m hey. of the technology and as we speak, alex is a try an h i v with an artifact seen. so in other words, they manage to devise a technology against a very powerful vaccine and that same technology can never use. but other infectious diseases still remain. he's problem malaria on the tv. is that a big problem? some of the axes are definitely i law i, we got the same level of statistics across the world and how does the, the russian vaccine the getting on the host, the chinese vaccines heavily performing worldwide. they're similar to astrazeneca, not all the fashion if you like, almost technologies. so it looks as though the old fashioned approaches are still working. we still use those technologies and different vaccines. but the are in the novel ones if you'd like our performance. and the 2nd concern we have is waning,

amused, so which of them is waning faster? and now they're not holding up more than the others don't the meaning again, that's more evidence. the more powerful advice for these more traditional students cannot be dealt with by the so called boost of jag, that's the thumbed sort of evidence that once you get to that, then you have effect to perhaps not complete, but effective immunity arrays. great data, again, giving 5 or after us within a day or vice versa. and on across the board. it's august. immunization is the, the new for the or the way to change the vaccine with the 2nd job. now, header august is always better. you think of the sense of part of it to the shop, the name shot again, you're slightly less, you know, you have a different shot. you've got a better response on the data, although i'm not one and it looks as if there was a follow up. i don't know if that's a really good combination and you get a very strong response then i believe i'm not just the scotland or the u. k. but in

other countries are only using our vaccines, the booster shots because they know works better than giving it out with them because of the case, the vicarious. a good idea to make sure that we'll send it to the great when the great and easy. all right, and how is that? even if you've had to vaccine shots, you can still end up in the hospital. lots of people find that very difficult to understand. sure, well i mean, so back think work and not individual for summary, any minutes and let y'all, variation in effect between a whole lot of a you know, so sadly some are vaccinated. for some reason the maxine hasn't worked in and then when that can happen account because their patients already for some reason or whatever it might be. and the ones who die silently, they offer all the diseases while underlying conditions or make an especially you know, in other words, nothing were 100 percent. everything like that. we'd be happy with the small

minority who do actually end up having the maximum for somebody in your field. i mean, obviously this is a comprehensive human tragedy across the across the planet. but you referenced, we've got less unbelievable data in your professional career than you ever believe and your discipline. and you would have such an amazing mass of extraordinary data about ariel the any fires staggering, staggering him. and it was obvious the, we'll just say we got the biggest damage on the years. you know, everybody shouted, we'll all the drug company, many academic my own lab. we switched into cobra to work on specific because of this, you see, i was in a conference last week in jeremy. my 1st conference in the year and a half. can you believe it face to face the excitement with tremendous every talk about co with in the bar in the restaurants? ellie's, any knowledge of cobra over over prophecy? for good reason?

i'm not eating all this information. so now we have a tremendous body of data by her own artist. and in general, we've got new ways to deploy vaccine the most to pick up a thing we have. the 3rd thing alex's new therapies. remember because people often forget but not by their hospitals trading push, some island rights gone up as well, and it applied to 7. you heard a few dicks approved for youth and hospital. if you end up in half of a coma, again, that was all this massive effort. now katie, this is going on with all of it. we're going to use your mike about all the viruses about the immune system over decades. and since we, where we deploy that knowledge and then learn even more in the past 18 months, remarkable, remarkable achievement. the science with professional looking deal. when we come back in a few minutes, we'll look at some of these new therapies and see how the effect of the the

ah ah, ah, ah, welcome back. alex is in conversation with professionally o'neill. the vessel, neil, you mentioned how much more effect of treatment swell, the famous one, the president trump was administered, not experimental phase which was seemed to what one does for the,

for the president. is that the thought of treatment that's coming through it is number one. so that's called antibody therapies. mama fall antibodies to give it a full name and what they are, their antibodies. you've inject into your body against a spike protein and then off the spike. and then the virus stick it into your lungs . you know, it's been used and not the disease in the right experimental. then they came out with some talk them, but they're decreasing by 70 percent. incredible. and the 2 types one by regenerate by lily. and they are approved in the u. k. by the test, for example, the very huge advance is not a problem with the right expense because 2000 your i was shocked for example, to take 90 minutes to infuse so it's a bit more to say but yet again, so and also serious disease. the doctors can i give them the antibody therapies and talk about a face and they experimental. we knew that was why the way because we knew of the vaccine costs bring them at anyway. here's an interesting one. so anti boxes in

america won't take the vaccine, but they will take the money that they offer and it's costing a $100.00 times the price. you see a proposal to dr than americans that have the same concerns of the because it wasn't actually taken the strain of the thing though that was antibodies. are you saying if the former president was still allowed to be saying how he saved the planet to an experimental level? yes, i suspect the pain success. se, probably said the inventor of them. certainly, there are really important thing is they divert nurses away mother in the us at the moment in the southern us states. their basic and the last thing that was quite low, but they are using all the strange when you think so. the question is, how many companies make more of them? little the price come down and so on because you want people to access the, obviously a it's an a danger. look a deal that with the effectiveness of the black sea, once people get to jackson,

even the free jags, that the lose all sight of the public health measures the, the more traditional way, the way of tackling a disease outbreaks. i think all of us will have been to events recently, perhaps not medical conferences, like the one you mention, but other social events where we find the sales, the only people who are wearing masks, for example. yeah, no, it's true. there's a bit of complacency. begin for you. now, that's understandable because remember this is your heal. if you're vaccinating you are now huge protection against the virus. tremendous. so people are gonna go all of my life. i can send you now. but for this next phase of the winter in a bit of caution, we need many on back tonight, including all the children so vulnerable people on the waning issue is still there . we're still very much in the middle. and remember the respiratory disease and we know cold and flu spread in winter where we have now is it could be some kind of

surgeon. so again, we need to be cautious in the coming months. got to spring different story out of the winter than and then maybe we can really begin to think about it and the traditional enemies and viruses, the colds and flu. so i saw some twitter of traffic in the conference season with some journalist whitening that they've got a heavy cold conference. it's not corona virus, but a most traditional infection. how do these traditional infections interact with a major, vital spread? does that make you more or less vulnerable to these? we think people are what we call them. i. e for those viruses now because they have been out in a boat for a month to month on it. you know, in other words, last winter, we all say at home, we didn't catch these things and i don't immunity began to fade strange business, but sometimes immunity don't go. now this winter, we're back out in the field if you will. and then we start catching them again, and i might be fighting more severe because you know,

defense are limited defense against them. so one prediction is we will see more severe holes of hello, don't worry, it's just a bit of a new, you know, the flu. you want to watch for next, and one of the worries we have is that can be taken in flu. ready cases again, simply because people have lost their immunity to some extent against the flu. so again, the advice alex, very simple get you're putting the job. if you're over a certain age and wonderful kind of, we get the job and get your booster with the same time. and that's actually happening. we're seeing my phone company is up to 2 shots and want to make it easy . you see, so flew with an important iteration coming into the wind. so i should be asking my own position over the next few weeks of i can get one shot rather than one that i that i miss. right? yes. the 1st one, if you're lucky, you never coming to the the serious possession what or why? even more serious possession. i mean africa as a continent as a level of about 5 percent. fact sedation, the present moment rather than 9 to 5 percent vice lazy that 95 percent on

vaccinated. how to viola frey left is to the whole of humanity that such a continent is unvaccinated. it's a huge, it's a big issue now i see that the last remaining significant concern is extra variance cropping up and coming back to haunt us if you will, you see. and they could pop up and africa. a variant happens because the virus device that makes a mistake and you get a slightly different buyers with a random process by the way, it's like, you know, rolling the dice. sometimes you're all the dice and you get a nasty, very delta, much more transmissible. for example, so the way to stop the variance is to get the viral account down and pay for the vaccination program. so we must get vaccines for now. it's about up in country. the 2nd, even more important reason is ethical, that people die in those countries who will be protected with vaccination like health care workers, vulnerable people and so on. so we must get the vaccine. now everybody know this and government part on anything. lots of, i've seen the u. s. axis where to get $500000000.00 in the way again. and the u. k

is as well, so we are aware of this. but now it's a case of mobilizing us and making sure we get as much back soon as possible for those developing countries. and it's more of a logistical question that even a manufacturing question may be a quest, a licensing manufacturing in other countries. but the key question is, logistics, the sort of logistics that human kayden seem quite capable of mobilized and for warfare, that logistical support seems beyond us for, for distributing vaccine wires that it does not know they are aware of that as well . so in the global production, in the next 12 months will be $22000000000.00 of the vaccines that will be made, not smart enough to vaccinate the world. so the question never get into the trucks get out there, you know, get out for these remote places and so on, and then they're aware of that, but quite right, it becomes just to go exercise and we did it with smallpox in that we've got vaccine. all over the world eliminate about mark. we've almost done that polio in

africa now, africa, polio, free. and again, that was just simply getting the maxine into all these different places, you know, so can be done. and now more than ever with this, we must do it. can you imagine if you very across all the dogs, the vaccine, we're back to square one. now we can get another maxine going, of course we can you imagine the psychological effect the economic effect. so it's a really important issue to get to get the vaccine that was not like that the bill of factories in these countries to make the boxing. and that's a possibility, but it's something that now and junior year, for example, it takes a few months to build one of these plans for quite a labrat. obviously enough, india can make billions of doses already. they've got very elaborate production there for boxing. so you may, the future may well be building places in these countries to make sure the supply is not an issue. and again, it's local, it gets much more quick. so a production is not really the issue is more distribution than logistics than it is a false tradeoff. is it not to say there's a balance between

a boost of jargon they developed countries, any jag in the, in the developing countries? it's more a question of the help companies getting that act together and getting jags into the arms of people. what, wait. you know, the dilemma now is, should you ever show the vaccine when not shot a minimal chance of dying or give that back to that? so it was a high risk of dying, and that person might be an older person in the developing world. you say the ethical across the i think i have to give it to the person who is at risk of die, not the one who you know. so in other words, if the body is not an issue, we should get everybody done, you know, but if supply is an issue, you shouldn't given the children the head of somebody on the left, the that will be on the back or having, i mean, they are thing about tony to the famous american immunology last week. you said they would empower, consider, you must do this and don't just do the booze through them in america. you know, make sure every day. so you get to give a shot to developing countries. i'm not alex,

what they do and i will manage to do this or not. you see the question that we now have seen as you have described, the giant leaps for human kind both and the development and rapid quick time of black seems. and in the, the, the better treatment, the acute treatment for, for coven, other follow steps to come other yet more technologies which are going to be devised, which will give us a better chance of, of defeating the same enemy? well, you won't believe it could be the max things are so fantastic. that was good. it's going to get and it's very good by the way, you know, so we may well not quite stumbled into it, certainly serendipity in science. i know we managed to make these are and i and they seem to be sometimes. so if that's how we would deploy those things again for the infectious, even cancer, i mean by on site the company which gave the vaccine to 5 or they were actually

going to counselor to make it back same for counsellor. can you imagine the huge awesome ism among immunology, that we now finally get vaccines for the things that we need vaccine for, you know, the period if we need to do better. now even though that 70 percent of the great number are still very expensive, not hard for me, you know, so we may see a better for the production situation. but it is one option. and then 2nd, my own areas down here promised for time to develop much more ways to suppress inflammation in the longer than cobra. for example, those drugs could suppress inflammation and other long diseases like emphysema for, you know, so the words are going to get my analogy. i really got something from the print shop. we could get technology from this that will be deployed and lots of different contexts and i think we're going to look at it like the 2nd one was like ever, i love the new technologies that were flexible across different areas. the code with crisis, unsure whether we look back and came back. christ can be used in different ways to

kind of pin you down on this. what you're saying is because of the extent of the technical breakthroughs, the, the fact that we know from the large sample of application of the vaccinations from the significantly increasing sample of the treatment, the medical benefits are such that these will be clickable to other diseases to other conditions that will be not unable to defeat in the past, but these may be breakthroughs for the future. that's a hope exactly, look or malaria. and there is a disease that devastates africa. you know, we spent decades trying to get a vaccine now or thing progress, you know, if we, if we can get a malaria from african, massive economic benefits. because, you know, that's all on the health of the nation is better people getting sick and so on. you know, so for the 1st time, maybe us over thinking that we bought them for a few years actually. but now it's within our grasp states to develop vaccines for very important infections,

the data and that was deployed. and your previous getting them i was, you know, can you get the vaccine out to the people or not, you know, and we, if we lay down the tracks, you know, that may be a soluble. so, corolla virus, a strongly pandemic, huge number of casualties, little white. but the end result may be a giant leap from science. yeah, definitely. and again, you've got to get credits, are many years investment research in the welcome trust in the u. k. for example, they might have in the us, they were all, you know, taxpayers, money often was spent. we're now seeing my coming gotten away because we didn't know the vaccine. will be ready by the way, because you'd be looking at an awful lot more death and destruction and not the case on a bill on all those years of research professor look at neil, thank you so much for joining me. once again, on the alex simon show, lobby thanks. in recent weeks,

2 of the highest back committed countries in the world. the u. s. and e u. k. have record of the highest rates of corona virus. it is true that the vaccines have weakened the link between infection and hospitalizations, but the u. s. a store recording the highest number of tests in the world at over 10000 per week, while the u. k. as one of the highest, in fact, typically dates per head of population. the almost block a reaction of substantial sections of the population and media to this continuing level of infection and loss speaks to people bravely and the societal restriction. however, both countries are heading into northern winter, where conditions are conducive not just to cruel a virus but to other winter killers. and both countries have health services already buckling under the pressure of the virus. in the circumstances, the news to mister vaccine shots and further protection from other therapies such as the antibody cocktail developed by the general and it's understandable. other

policy decisions, however, seem inexplicable. as many parts of the plan is to largely unvaccinated, any suggestion that humanity is possible against covered 1900 nearly won the pen, mature to the extent of foolhardy finance for alex myself, and all that issue is good. by steve i ceased, i'm hope to see you all again next week. ah, me . ah, jamie diamond was critical, a big claim starting when it was a $200.00 a point. it's now around $45000.00 point. attending at the points out 10

x from here. so he's looking for up to point $155.00 and about a coin. length of universal healthcare makes america the country of every man for himself. we have a retirement crisis in this country and we have a health care crisis for seniors in this country as well. so private business has come up with special mechanism for that. it's called the live settlement market. we are a life settlement provider, which means that we buy life insurance policies from primarily seniors throughout the united states who no longer want or can afford their life insurance policies. if you are sick and for one to live a few more years, you can sell your life insurance. that way you get more money right away and the company collects your insurance payment off the debt. and there's a group of people out there, i guess,

hoping that people die soon. what kind of motivation is i give them when i start crying about him dying? that's usually what it's about. it's just the sheer unfairness of it all. the it was an extraordinary disaster and if we didn't have a president that was so adult, you all would be fired. i don't think anyone can trust anything. this president says about up can stand us little, make his goal, joe biden, and his top bra say, but what something congress, according walking through humiliating withdrawal from afghanistan, we all say with the whole campaign might be a big failure and just relax itself. also the wall of shame, that's what the p t spells out. and that's how some encourage come to view these up in arms over the construction of a wall designed to keep throw got a time,

slamming it in humane.