watch to the right. no. of course crystal infant for his lifelong he'd already been in last week. sure. and i'll newman says tony bend was awesome. micro bailey says, the english ship of state is hold below the water line. the only thing stopping it from thinking completely is it makes a public money through an assets. gordon came to says adrena cutty is always of great interest. not necessarily politically or factually correct. but always interesting. and finally, william moore says, in relation to the ship of state ship, more like a publisher thing, a with a captain and clueless cabinet loss, i see manufacturing the deployed but divide. if it's still ripping through society, we tend to profess luca, neil of tennessee college dublin, profess underlying state to play in the battle between science and the virus. does not look at meal. what's happening? what old? why, i mean i, we wedding less battle with throwing a virus,

probably black students to veiling. are those still plenty of pitfalls to come? well, it's much better than it was. i think at this time last year for a much better place nobody. let's start with the facts, but the still burning away, especially of developing countries. concern is low vaccination rates in the poor countries of the world. in the west. you might call it quite well in europe, especially thing very well. actually. we're getting close to our magic number for the magic number now. is that 85 percent or vaccinated? par have been infected? that's a really good place to be because you're not getting the granted praise her to mean it's, you know, that we don't like pretty much a certain you're getting a high level of protection in our community amount of items. i mean, we're talking number one and your and your and i will post this course to become a found to meeting funky. we've got a 92 percent population. i'll be back on monday. i'm the tell you about a, comes in europe and very well, but let's look at the u. k. d. the medical,

relatively high vaccinated countries, but have higher rates of the violet, sun, scotland, and other streaming the high rates recently. and there was no increasing again. so what's going on, why is that that a high vaccination country can still have relatively high rates of spread the virus? well, if you do have in america, for example, lots people aren't. so very often the cases are in the backs. maybe people that the majority of cases will be in the max, my boss. you do see bright 7 factions and maximize people as well. but the good news is it's not time buddy and severe disease asian a case numbers aren't especially informative. it tells the key metric here it's severe disease location. the u. k. scott member holding study are telling study, right, that numbers up. i mean, last week i heard an expert and overwhelmed now in this phase of it. even though case numbers are all of the main increase hospitalization,

important certainly that we can the link between the spread of virus and hospitalisation and of course, deaths and polity. but when one of the chief medical advisors price will quickly just last week, seem surprised that 50 percent of english school children had been infected with a virus. why should that be a surprise? i know he was hoping mitigation was happening in a sense, you know, because of the skills reopened. they'd various mitigation measures in place and thing and ventilation and thought maybe the progress quick impact that might be the thing you say. remember like, it's not a bad thing because it's already been 9 to even children. and if they get infected, they will be protected and even more importantly, they'll be picking up delta a one more time. but they will, that will be protected from reinspection with down. so so i didn't think that was a negative your life though. i'm not surprised you because obviously the open the schools and you've been sufficient mitigation. it will spread if it's is in fact

the chicken pox. now that now by the way, delta, by the way, i'm, as you might remember, was taken one class, one pupil gets it, they all get chicken about surprise and you're seeing the level of touch wouldn't have been a reasonable precaution to vaccinate the secondary school children before we went back to school as opposed to afterwards, a definite, an ard and we did that. we began my over 12, maybe 3 months ago now. and i think it's something like 80 percent of the over 12 now are 40 bucks and i got a great number to see. of course there are protect it. the next question is, what about the owner? and she'll be back in art about the mom. actually. the main number 12, because i'm not maxima, you see, so i'm not tell the something. so whether we should move on and maximize them another. another question that you're still thinking about school children, some suggestion and settling the u. k. that the only be getting one of those of the $500.00. how does that make sense? professional in you. strange and art, and again,

you don't quite sure whether you went for one both. i think it's because they've been inspected, trying to get one possibility and then get back to your shop and then you get your fresh sounds like a 2nd shop. no way that may be the reason for that. but it was an interesting kind of a disparate thing to give away, maybe to the developing rock and every now an art. and we get to shop. it's possible to, to choose from all this range of vaccines which become available and record quick time is the, one of, to a managing us the as the clear front runners in terms of the be efficacious as of a medicinal compound which is efficacious. in every case, yeah, there is not a data as amazing. i mean, we've never studied a virus much of the history, the amount of knowledge we have in the past 18 months on the, on the side. probably 2 of ours is remarkable. let's start with the science behind it. and then the vaccine deployments, measuring back same performance. and so something like 5000000000 people in the

world that the number one shot made and then many to shot and boxing, you know, the title likes to be on up there and i think to be number one. and then we have pfizer, the are. and i have seen are really for me, extremely well, and then we have what i call the no viral vaccine, astrazeneca johnson and johnson. so there are less effective than the said, okay, i'm in the beginning, 6070 percent protection. but once it was really great, again, i mean ologist is we may have come up with a technology for any to the impact of these using our and hey, as a technology. and as we speak, alex, try an h, i v with an ordinary boxing. so in other words, they manage to devise a technology against a very powerful vaccine and not seeing technology can never use. but other infectious diseases still remain whose problem malaria, on the live tv is that a big problem? so in other words, the axis of definitely problem and i,

we got the same level of statistics across, so i will be in the, the russian seamless getting on the host, the chinese vaccines heavily performing worldwide. they're similar to astrazeneca, not at all fashion, if you like, almost technologies. so a lot of the old fashioned approaches are still working. we still use those technologies and different vaccines, but the are in the novel ones if you'd like performance. and the 2nd concern we have is waning, amused, so which of them is waning faster? and now there are holding up more than the others? no. meaning again, that's more evidence that the more powerful advice for these more traditional students cannot be dealt with by the so called boost of jag, that's the thumbed is some evidence that once you get to that, then you have the effect of perhaps not complete, but effective immunity arrays, great data again giving 5 or after us within a day or vice versa. and on across the board in august,

immunization is the fancy name for me to change the vaccine with a 2nd job. you know, now had her august is always back or you think of the sense of part of it to the shop that the of the name shot. again, you're like me last. you know, you have a different shot. you got a better response on the data. although i'm not one and it looks as if there was a follow up. i don't know if that's a really good combination and you get a very strong response. then i believe from not just way to the governor, the u. k. but in other countries are only using our and i back saying that the booster shots, because they know works better than giving it out for them. because the case, the vicarious a good idea of the training says that we'll send it very go to the great when the great and easy. all right, and how is that? even if you've had to vaccine shorts, you can still end up in the hospital. lots of people find that very difficult to understand. sure, well, i mean, so back thing work and not individual summary,

any medicine, but your variation and effectiveness between a lot of a, you know, so sadly, some are vaccinated. for some reason the maxine hasn't worked in and then when that can happen, it can be there, you know, the patient already, but some reason or whatever it might be and the ones who die. sadly, they offer all the diseases as well underlying conditions there that make an, especially on, you know, in other words, nothing were 100 percent. every life that we'd be happy, the family to the small minority who do actually end up having been for somebody in your field. i mean obviously this is a comprehensive human tragedy across the across the planet. but you referenced, we've got this unbelievable data in your professional career that you ever believe and your discipline. and you would have such an amazing mass of extraordinary data about ariel the every 5 years staggering, staggering him. and it was obviously,

we'll just say we got the biggest going on the years, you know, everybody out of the, we'll all the drug company, many academic my own lab. we switched into cobra to work on specifically because of this. you see, i was in a conference last week in jeremy. my 1st conference in a year and a half and you believe it face to face the excitement with tremendous. you know, every talk about co with in the bar in the restaurants, ellie's immunology told over over prophecy for good reason. i'm not eating all this information. so now we have a tremendous body of data by her own artist. and in general, we've got new ways to deploy vaccine the most to pick up a thing we have. the 3rd thing alex's new therapies. remember, because people often forget that either one of the trading, some island rights come up as well, and it applied to 7. you heard a few to approve for youth and hospital. if you end up in half of a coma, again, that with all this massive effort, no clarity, this is going on. but all of it, we learned a huge amount about all the viruses about the immune system over decades. and in

the sense we where we deploy that knowledge and then learn even more in the past 18 months. remarkable, remarkable achievement. science with professional looking deal. when we come back in a few minutes, we'll look at some of these new therapies and see how the effect of the oh, the back guys are financial survival guys, housing level. oh, you mean the downside? artificially little mortgage right? don't get carried away. was trying to report imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century. what other chapters called gun violence school shootings, homelessness. first, it was my job then it was my sampled. didn't was my savings. i have nothing. i have nothing and it's not like i don't try. i live for resources, i look for jobs,

i look for everything i can to make this past. and all i end up doing is testing the road to the american dream. paved with dead refugees as very idealized image of the older america, native americans look past the death that happened every single day. this is a modern history of the usa. america on our t me, ah ah, [000:00:00;00]

ah ah, the ah, the welcome back. alex is in conversation with professionally o'neill the vessel, neil you mentioned how much more effect of treatment swell, the famous one, the president trump was administered. experimental phase which was seem to what one does for the, for the president. is that the sort of treatment that's coming for? it is number one. so that's all antibody therapies, mama, phone and antibodies to give it a full name. what they are, their antibodies, you've inject into your body against

a spike protein. and they off the spike and then the virus take it into your lungs, you know, and then use them off the disease in the experimental chemical and some talk them. but they're decreasing by 70 percent. incredible. and the 2 types one by regenerate by lily. and they are approved in the u. k. by the for example, they're a huge advantage. another problem with expense, like 2000 euro shops, for example, that take 90 minutes to infuse so it's a bit boring to say but, but yet again, so and also serious disease, the doctors can i give them those antibody therapies and trump without a face when they were expire, we knew that weren't by the way because we use the vaccine to bring them out. anyway, here's an interesting one. so anti boxes in america won't take the vaccine, but they will take the money at the end of an offer, and it's costing a $100.00 times the price. so you see a proposal to dr than americans that have the same concerns of the because it

wasn't actually taken the strain of the thing though that was antibodies. i reviewed you saying if the former president was still allowed to tweak that, he'd be saying how he saved the planet to an experimental level. yes, i suspect the pain success of the probably the best of them. certainly there are really important thing. it's all, it is diverse nurses away mother part in the us at the moment in the southern us states their basic and the last thing that was quite low, but they are using all the strange when you think so. the question is, how many companies make more of them? will the price come down and so on? because you want people in the the danger look a deal that was the effectiveness of the back seat. once people get to jackson, even the free jags, that the lose all sight of the public health measures the, the more traditional way, the ancient way of tackling

a disease outbreaks. i think all of us will have been to events recently, perhaps not medical conferences, like the one you mention, but other social events where we find the sales, the only people who are wearing masks, for example. yeah, no, it's true. there's a bit of complacency. begin for you. now, that's understandable because remember this is your heal. if you're a vaccinate, you are now huge protection against viruses. tremendous. you know, so people are going to all of my life. i can send you now. but for this next phase of the in the winter, in a bit of caution, we need that many on back tonight, including all the children so vulnerable people on the waning issue is still there . we're still very much in the middle. and remember the respiratory disease and we know cold and flu spread in winter. where do we have now? it could be some kind of surgeon. sure. so again, we need to be cautious in the coming months. got to spring different story out of the winter then. and then maybe we can really begin to think about and the in the

traditional enemies and viruses, the colds and flu, some. and i saw some twitter traffic in the conference season with some journalist whitening that they've got a heavy cold conferences, not corona virus, but a most traditional infection. how do these traditional infections interact with a major, vital spread? does that make you more or less formidable to these? we think people are what we call them. i. e for those viruses now because they have been out in a boat for a month to month on it. you know, in other words, last winter, we all said home, we didn't catch the things and i don't. immunity began to face the strange business, but sometimes immunity don't go. now this winter, we're back out in the field if you will. and then we start catching them again, and i might be more severe because you know, defense are limited defense against them. so one prediction is we will see more severe cof. colorado already is just a bit of a new, you know, the flu. you want to watch for next, and one of the worries we have is that going to be an uptick and flu cases. again,

simply because people have lost their immunity to some extent against the flu. so again, the advice alex, very simple, get your job. if you're over a certain age and then once we get the job and get your booster with the same time and that's actually happening, we're seeing my phone company is up to 2 shots and want to make it easy. you see, so flew with an important federation coming into the window. so i should be asking my own position over the next few weeks if i can get one shot rather than one that i that i miss you. but if i sent one of your lucky, you never coming to the the serious position, what or why even more serious position. i mean africa as a continent, as a level of about 5 percent. fact sedation, the present moment rather than 9 to 5 percent vitally, that's 95 percent unvaccinated. how has the viola left is to the whole of humanity that such a continent is unvaccinated? it's a huge, it's

a big issue now. i see that the last remaining significant concern is extra variance cropping off and coming back to haunt us if you will, you see. and they co pop up in africa a very and happens because the virus device that makes a mistake and you get a slightly different buyers with a random process by the way. it's like, you know, rolling the dice sometimes or all the dice. nasty, very, delta is much more transmissible for example. so the way to stop the variance is to get the viral account down and pay for the vaccination program. so you must get maxine, so now it's about i think the 2nd even more important reason is ethical. that people die in those countries of cobra who will be protected with vaccination like health care workers, vulnerable people and so on. so we must get the vaccine. now everybody know this and government start on anything. lots of i've seen the u. s. i see where to get 500000000 dollars the way again, and the u. k is as well, so we are aware of this. but now it's a case of mobilizing us and making sure we get as much as possible for those

developing countries. and it's more of a logistical question that even a manufacturing question, maybe a quest, a licensing manufacturing in other countries. but the key question is, logistics, the sort of logistics that human kayden seem quite capable of mobilizing for warfare, that logistical support seems beyond us for, for distributing via the wires that it does not know they are aware of that as well . so the global production in the next 12 months will be $22000000000.00 because of the vaccines that will be made, not smart enough to vaccinate the world. so the question that we can get into the trucks get out there, you know, get out of these remote places and so on. and then on there aware about that are quite right. it becomes just to go exercise. now we did a smallpox in that we've got vaccine all over the world, eliminate about what we've almost done with polio in africa now, africa, polio, free. and again, that was just simply getting the maxine into all these different places you know can be done. and now more than ever with this,

we must do it. can you imagine if you vary across all dogs, the vaccine, back to square one? now we can get another maxine going of course we can you imagine the psychological effect the economic effect. so it's a really important issue to get to get the vaccine that was not like that the bill of factories in these countries to make the vaccine. and that's a possibility, but it's still saying that my junior year, for example, it takes a few months to build one of these plans because labrat, obviously enough, india can make billions of doses already. they've got very elaborate production there for boxing. so you may, the future may well be building places in these countries to make sure the supply is not an issue. and again, if it's local, it gets up much more quickly. so a production is not really the issue is more distribution than logistics than it is a false tradeoff. is it not to say there's a balance between a boost of jargon they developed countries and any jag in the, in the developing countries? it's more

a question of the company is getting together and getting jags into the arms of people. what wipe, you know, the dilemma now is should you have a child the vaccine when that shot a minimal chance of dying or give back to a high risk of dying and that person might be an older person in the developing world. you say the ethical across the ethical answer is give it to the person who is at risk of die, not the one who you know. so in other words, if the body is not an issue, we should get everybody done, you know. but if supply is an issue, you shouldn't given the children the head of somebody on the left, the that will be on the bike or how many. i mean, they are thing, tony to the famous american immunology last week. he said they would empower, consider, you must do this and don't just do the boosters in america, you know, make sure every day. so you get to give it a shot to developing countries. i'm not alex what they do and i will they manage to do this or not. you see the question that we now have. so we'll see you describe the giant leaps for human kind, both in the development and rapid,

quick time of black students and, and the, the, the better treatment, the acute treatment for f, a, coven, other fun, the steps to come other yet more technologies which are going to be devised, which will give us a better chance of defeating the same enemy. well, you won't believe it could be the max things are so fantastic. that was good. it's going to get and it's very good by the way, you know? so we may well not quite stumbled into it, certainly serendipity and science as you may know. so we managed to make these are, and i, and they seem to be sometimes. so if it's how low we were now deployed, i was on, i've seen against other infectious, even cancer. i mean by on site the company which gave the box me to 5. or they were actually going to counselor to make a come back scene for counselor. can you imagine the huge, awesome, isn't ammonia mean ologist that we now finally get vaccines for the things that we need vaccine for, you know,

the period if we need to do better. now even though that 70 percent is a great number, a still expensive, not hard for me. you know? so we may see a better production situation. but it is one option. and then 2nd, in my own area promise we were trying to develop much more power ways to suppress inflammation in the longer than cobra. for example, those drugs could suppress inflammation and other long diseases like emphysema. you know, so the words are going to my analogy, like when we got something from the print shop, we could get technology from this that will be deployed and lots of different context. i think we're going to look at like the 2nd one. what. okay, for those new technologies that were flexible across different areas, the comb with crisis, i'm sure when we look back and that came back, christ can be used in different ways. so can pin you down on this, what you're saying is because of the extent of the technical breakthroughs, the, the fact that we know from the large sample of application of the vaccinations for

the significantly increasing sample of the treatment. the medical benefits are such that these will be a clickable to other diseases to other conditions that will be not unable to defeat in the past. but these may be break, prince for the future. that's the hope exactly look or malaria. and there is a disease that devastates africa. you know, we spent decades trying to get a vaccinate. and now we're seeing progress. you know, if we, if we can go to my area from africa, it has massive economic benefits because, you know, on the health of the nation is better, people are getting sick and so on. yeah. so for the 1st time, maybe that's over. thank you for a few years actually, but now it's within our grasp seats to develop vaccines for very important infections of data and now deployed and your previous person no matter what you know, can you get the vaccine out to the people or not, you know, and we, if we lay down the tracks, they get out, you know, things that may be soluble. so,

corolla virus, a strongly pandemic, huge number of casualties. well, white, but the end result may be a giant leap in science. yeah, definitely. and again, you got to get credits are many years investment in the research and the welcome stuff from the u. k. for example, they might have in the u. s. they were all, you know, taxpayer money often was spent were now seeing my coming gotten away because we didn't know the vaccine. will be ready by the way, because you've been off a lot more death and destruction and you're not the case on a bill on all those years of research professor, look at neil, thank you so much for joining me. once again, on the alex simon show, lobby, thanks so much. i in recent tweaks to the highest back connected countries in the world, the us and u. k. have recorded the highest rates of corona virus. it is true that the vaccines have weakened the link between infection and hospitalizations,

but the u. s. a store recording the highest number of deaths in the world and over 10000 per week, while the u. k. as one of the highest, in fact typically dates per head of population. they almost block a reaction of substantial sections of the population and media to this continuing level of infection and loss speaks to people bravely on the societal restriction. however, both countries are heading into northern winter, where conditions are conducive not just to cruel a virus but to other winter killers. and both countries have health services already buckling under the pressure of the virus. in the circumstances, the news to mister vaccine shots and further protection from other therapies such as the antibody cocktail developed by the general and it's understandable. other policy decisions, however, seem inexplicable. as many parts of the plan is to largely unvaccinated, any suggestion that humanity is possible against covered 1900 nearly won the pen

mature, to the extent of foolhardy for an eye for alex myself, and all that issue is good by stay bases. i'm hope to see you all again next week. ah, me in the what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even from station let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time,

time to sit down and talk lack of universal healthcare, makes america the country of every man for himself. we have a retirement crisis in this country and we have a health care crisis for seniors in this country as well. so private business has come up with a special mechanism for that. it's called the live settlement market. we are a life settlement provider, which means that we buy life insurance policies from primarily seniors throughout the united states who no longer want or can't afford their life insurance policies . if you're sick and for one to live a few more years, you can sell your life insurance. that way you get more money right away and the company collects your insurance payment off to your dad. there's a group of people out there, i guess, hoping that people die soon. what kind of motivation is i give them when i start crying about them dying?

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