we came to professor lucas neal, of trinity college, dublin, profess underlying stay to play in the battle between science and the virus. does not look at meals. what's happening? what old? why, i mean i, we wedding less battle would throw in a virus, probably black students to veiling. are those still plenty of pitfalls to come? well, it's much better than it was. i think at this time last year for a much better place nobody. let's start with the facts, but the still burning away, especially in developing countries. concern is low vaccination rates in the poor countries of the world in the west, calling for quite a while and europe especially thing very well. actually. we're getting close to our magic number for the magic number now. is that 85 percent or vaccinated? par have been infected? that's a really good place to be because you're not getting the granted praise her to mean it's, you know, that we don't like pretty much a certain you're getting a high level of protection in our community amount of items. i mean,

we're talking number one in europe and even in i will post this course to become a found anything funky but we've got a 92 percent population vaccinated on monday. i'm not sure it's about a year, but even very well. but let's look at the u. k. d, the medical relatively high vaccinated countries, but have higher rates of the violet sun, scotland us extremely high rates recently, and england rate so no increasing again. so what's going on? why is that a high blacksmithing country can still have relatively high rate, so spread the virus? well, if you do have in america, for example, last the large box. so very often the cases are in the box. maybe people that the majority of cases will be in the maximize both you do see right, so the actions and maximize people as well. but the good news is it's not time buddy and severe disease optimization pace numbers aren't especially informative, called the key metric here. it's severe disease liberation,

the u. k. scott member holding study are telling study, right, that numbers up. i mean, last week i heard an expert in nature not been overwhelmed now in this phase of it, even though case numbers are all of the main increase. hospitalization is important, certainly that we can the link between the spread of virus and hospitalisation and of course, deaths and polity. but when one of the chief medical advisors professional quickly just last week seemed surprised that 50 percent of english school children had been infected with a virus. why should that be a surprise? i know he was hoping mitigation was happening and you know, because of the skills reopened, various mitigation measures in place and thing and ventilation and maybe surprise with a quick number got infected might be thing you say, remember like it's not a bad thing because it's already been 9 to even children, and if they get infected they will be protected and even more importantly they'll

be picking up delta a one more time. they will, that will be protected from re infection with down so. so i didn't see that as a negative light, though i'm not surprised you because obviously you open the fills and you've been sufficient mitigation. it will spread if it was in fact the chicken pox. now that now by the way, delta, by the way, and as you might remember which one class one pupil gets it, they all get chicken surprise and you're seeing that level of the one that had been a reasonable precaution to vaccinate the secondary school children before we went back to school as opposed to after work for definite, an art and we did that. we began my over 12, maybe 34 months ago. now. i think it's something like 80 percent of the over 12 now are, are fully backs and i got a great number to see. of course there are protect it. the next question is, what about the owners? and she'll be back in art about them all the actually the main number 12, because maxima, you see, so i'm not tell the something. so whether we should move on and maximize them

another. another question, you're still thinking about school children, some suggestion and settling the u. k, the only be getting one of those of the 5. how do, how does that make sense? professional in the strain in art and again, i'm not quite sure whether you went for one both. i think it's because they've been inspected signs because one possibility and then i get back to your shop and then you get your fresh like a 2nd shop knowing that may be the reason for that. but it was an interesting kind of thing to give away. maybe the developing was never, not an art, and we get to shop. it's possible to, to choose from all this range of vaccines which become available and record quick time is one of 2, a matching us the as the clear front runners in terms of be efficacious as of a medicinal compound which is efficacious in every case. yeah, there is not

a data as amazing. i mean, we've never studied a virus much of history, the amount of knowledge we have in the past 18 month on the, on the side. probably 2 of ours is remarkable. let's start with that. the science behind it. tremendous, and then the vaccine deployments, a measuring vaccine performance. and so something like 5000000000 people in the world that the number one shot that i made and then many to shop and boxing. you know, the title likes to be honest. madonna seems to be number one and then we have 5 or the are and i have seen are really for me, xtreme the well. and then we have what i call the no viral vaccine, astrazeneca johnson and johnson. so there are less affected and the are okay. i'm in the beginning, 6070 percent protection. what's really great is going to be in ologist is we may have come up with a technology for any of the these using our and hey, as a technology. and as we speak, alex is a try an h i v with an on scene. so in other words, they manage to devise

a technology against a very powerful vaccine and not seeing technology can never use, but other infectious disease are still remaining. he's problem malaria on the live tv, is that a big problem? some of the boxes are definitely problem. i law, i, we got the same level of statistics across the level of the how does the, the russian vaccine, the getting on, how's the chinese vaccines heavily performing world white, they're similar to rosters and not a fashion if you like, almost technologies. so it looks as though the old fashioned approaches are still working. we still use those technologies in different vaccine, but the are in the novel ones if you like, how to perform them from the 2nd concern, we have the waning amused, so which of them is waning faster? and no doubt, 5 there are holding up more than the others. no meaning, again, that's more evidence that the more powerful advice for these more traditional students cannot be dealt with by the so called boost of jag,

that's the thumbed sort of evidence that once you get to that, then you have the effect of perhaps not complete, but effective immunity arrays, great data, again giving 5 or after us within a day or vice versa. and on across the board. it's august. immunization is the fancy name for the change, the vaccine with the 2nd job. now header august is always better. you think of the sense of part of it to the shop for the same shot. again, you're slightly less, you know, you have a different shot, you've got a better response on the data, how or not one. and it looks as if there was a follow up. i don't know that's a really good combination and you get a very strong response. then i believe i'm not just right to the governor, the u. k. but in other countries are only using our and i back saying that the booster shots, because they know works better than giving it was the case, the vicarious a good idea of the training says that we'll send it to the great when the great and

easy, all right, and how is that? even if you've had to vaccine shots, you can still end up in the hospital. lots of people find that very difficult to understand. sure, well i mean, so back thing work and not individual for summary, any minutes unless you're very ation in effect between a whole lot of a you know, so sadly some are vaccinated. for some reason the maxine hasn't worked in and then when that can happen account because you know the patient already for some reason or whatever it might be and the ones who die silently they offer all the diseases while underlying conditions or make an especially on you know, in other words, nothing, 100 percent, every life that we'd be happy, families, the small minority who do actually end up having the maximum for somebody in your field. i mean, obviously this is a comprehensive human tragedy across across the planet. but you referenced that

we've got this on believable data in your professional career that you ever believe and your discipline. and you would have such an amazing mass of extraordinary data about ariel the some. but any fibers staggering back to him and it was obviously well justified. we got the biggest damage on the years. you know, everybody that we'll all the drug company, many academic my own lab. we switched into cobra to work on specific because of this, you see, i was in a conference last week in jeremy. my 1st conference in the year and a half. can you believe it face to face the excitement with tremendous, you know, every talk about co, with in the bar in the restaurants. any knowledge of cobra over over prophecy for good reason? i'm not eating all this information. so now we have a tremendous body of data by corona virus, and in general, we've got new ways to deploy faxing the most to pick up a thing we have. the 3rd thing alex's new therapies. remember, because people often forget either at hospitals,

trading the survival rates going up as well. and it applies a 7. you heard a few to approve for you. and if you end up in half of a coma and again, that was all this massive effort. now katie, this is going on with all of it. we're going to use your mike about all the viruses about the immune system over decades. and since we, where we deploy that knowledge and then learn even more in the remarkable, remarkable achievement, the science with professional looking deal. when we come back in a few minutes, we'll look at some of these new therapies and see how the effect of the the friends is macro recently said quote, the europeans must stop being naive when we are under pressure from powers which at times harden their stance. we need to react and show we have the power and capacity to defend ourselves volt words. but does europe have the political will to actually

defend itself? ah, no one, no, no, no, no, no. what the most of them, what they sion? i unit 731 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever known. real enough. kayla will know you knew, look at the moment to know

others nunez them or not. i got the muscle. i understood, i wish to know about julie who knew he didn't want to know. i had a little cold and weather and all, but he built you nice to do you want to on this? she might new on it. i know i isn't more more good, but you know, put them out to give us a try now where we use so many inputs on a daily basis that are completely related to reality. so think about how i social media filters and they basically present themselves in every unrealistic way. and so we come to a fomo,

there is and be involved more than that. it's about being sort of envious or something that may not exist and is also really tied to the fact that is humans. we want to be part of the crowd. welcome back. alex is in conversation with professor lick o'neill. the vessel, neil, you mentioned how much more effect of treatment swell, the famous one, the president trump was administered. experimental phase which was seemed to what one does for the, for the president is that the sort of treatment is coming for it is number one. so that's how antibody therapies, mama fall antibodies to give it a full name. what they are, their antibodies, you've inject into your body against a spike protein and they off the spike, and then the virus take it into your lungs. you know, it's been used for the days and in the experimental and they came out with some talk them, but they're decreasing by 70 percent. incredible. and the 2 types one by re,

generally by lily and they're approved in the u. k. by the, for example, very huge advances. another problem with expense, like 2000 your i was shocked, for example, to take 90 minutes to infuse so it's a bit boring to say, but yet again, so and also serious today's, the doctors can i give them those antibody therapies and trump without a face when they expire when you do that work by the way, because we knew that i could wake up of the vaccine that comes to bring them out. anyway, here's an interesting one. so anti boxes in america won't take the vaccine, but they will take the money that they have an offer and it's costing a $100.00 times the price. so you see a proposal to doctors in america that have the same concerns of the because it wasn't actually taken the strain of all those antibodies are reviewed. you saying if the former president was still allowed to tweak that, he'd be saying how he said the planet to an experimental level? yes,

i suspect the time. so that's the probably the investment of them. certainly there are really important thing. it's all, it is diverse nurses away mother part in the us at the moment in the southern us states the ramp, their basic and the last thing that was quite low, but they are using all the strange when you think. so. the question is, how many companies make more of them? little the price come down and so on because you want people, obviously, in the the danger look a deal that was the effectiveness of the black sea. once people get to jackson, even the free jags, that the lose all sight of the public health measures the the more traditional way, the ancient way of crackling disease outbreaks. i think all of us will have been to events recently, perhaps not medical conferences, like the one you mention, but other social events where we find the sales, the only people who are wearing masks, for example. yeah, no, it's true that

a bit of a complacency begin for fit in a sense, you know, not understandable because remember, this is your heal. if you're vaccinating you are now huge protection against viruses. tremendous. so people are gonna go all of my life. i can send you now, but for this next phase, i should be in the winter. still a bit of caution. we need for that many on back tonight, including all the children. some people on the waning issue is still there. we're still very much in the middle and remember respiratory disease and we know cold and flu spread in winter. where do we have now? is the surgeon. so again, we need to be cautious in the coming months. got to spring different story out of the winter than and then maybe we can really begin to think about the traditional enemies and viruses, the colds and flu. so i saw some twitter of traffic in the conference season with some journalist whitening that they've got a heavy cold conferences, not corona virus, but a most traditional infection. what,

how do these traditional infections interact with a major vital spread? does that make you more or less vulnerable to these? we think people are what we call them. i. e for those viruses now because they have been out in about for a month to month on it. you know, in other words, last winter, we all say at home, we didn't catch these things and i don't. immunity began to fade. i mean, it's a strange business, but sometimes immunity don't go. now this winter, we're back out in the field if you will. and then we start catching them again, and i might be fighting more severe because you know, defense are limited defense against them. so one prediction is we will see more severe cof. hello, don't worry. it's just a bit of an use, you know, the flu. you want to watch for next, and one of the worries we have is it can be taken in flu. ready cases again, simply because people have lost their immunity to some extent against the flu. so again, the advice alex is very simple. guess you're putting the job. if you're over a certain age and wonder because we get the job and get your booster with the same

time and that's actually happening, we're seeing my phone company is up to 2 shots and want to make it easy. you see, so flew with an important federation coming into and so i should be asking my own position over the next few weeks of i can get one shot rather than one that i that i miss right? yes, you for the 1st one, if you're lucky, you never something to the, the serious possession. what or why? even more serious possession. i mean africa as a continent as a level of about 5 percent. fact sedation, the present moment rather than 9 to 5 percent vice lazy that 95 percent on bio submitted house to viola frey left is to the whole of humanity that such a continent is unvaccinated. it's a huge, it's a big issue. now i see that the last remaining significant concern is extra variance cropping off and coming back to haunt us if you will, you see. and they could pop up and africa. a variant happens because the virus device that makes a mistake and you get a slightly different buyers with

a random process by the way, it's been like, you know, rolling the dice. sometimes you all the dice and you get a nasty, very delta is much more transmissible for example. so the way to stop the variance is to get the viral account down and pay for the vaccination program. so we must get vaccines for now. it's about up in country the 2nd even more important reason that is ethical, that people die in those countries who will be protected with vaccination like health care workers, vulnerable people and so on. so we want to get the vaccine. now everybody know this and government are on anything, lots of i've seen the u. s. i see where to get $500000000.00 in the way again. and the u. k is as well, so we are aware of this, but now it's a case of mobilizing us and making sure we get as much back soon as possible for those developing countries. and it's more of a logistical question that even a manufacturing question may be a quest, a licensing, manufacturing and other countries. but the key question is, logistics, the sort of logistics that human caden seem quite capable of mobilizing for warfare,

that logistical support seems beyond us for, for distributing vaccine wires that it does not know they are aware of that as well . so in the global production, in the next 12 months will be $22000000000.00. the vaccines will be made that's more than enough to vaccinate the world. so the question that get the trucks get out there, you know, get out for these remote places. and so on, and then they're aware about that. quite right. it becomes just to go exercise and we did it with smallpox in that we've got vaccine all over the world, eliminate about what we've almost done at polio in africa now, africa, polio, free. and again, that was just simply getting the maxine into all these different places, you know, so can be done. and now more than ever with this, we must do it. can you imagine if you very across all the dogs, the vaccine, we're back to square one? now we can get another maxine going of course we can, can you imagine the psychological effect, the economic effects. so it's a really important issue to get to get the vaccine was like that the bill of

factories in these countries to make the and that's a possibility. but it's still saying that my junior year, for example, it takes a few months to build one of these plans because labrat, obviously enough, india can make billions of doses already. they've got very elaborate production there for boxing. so you may, the future may well be building places in these countries to make sure supply is not an issue. and again, if it's local, it gets out what's more quick. so a production is not really the issue is more distribution than logistics than it is a false tradeoff. as it not to say, there's a balance between a boost of jargon. they developed countries and any jag in the, in the developing countries. it's more a question of the help come to getting that act together and getting jags into the arms of people. what, wait. you know, the dilemma now is should you have a child the vaccine when that shot minimal chance of dying or give back to that was a high risk of dying and that person might be an older person in the developing

world. you say the ethical across the, i think i'll answer is give it to the person who is at risk of die, not the one who you know. so in other words, if the body is not an issue, we should get everybody done, you know. but if supply is an issue, you shouldn't give it a children the head of somebody on the left to be that will be on the bike or how many. i mean, they are thing about tony to the famous american immunology last week. you said they would empower, consider you must do this and don't just do the boost through them in america. you know, make sure every day. so you get to give a shot to developing on. i'm not alex. what they do, and i will they manage to do this or not. you see, that's the question that we now have seen as you have described, the giant leaps for human kind, both in the development and rapid, quick time of black students. and in the, the better treatment, the acute treatment for f, a, coven, other follow the steps to come other yet more technologies which are going to be

devised, which will give us a better chance of, of defeating the sanction enemy? well, you won't believe it could be the max things are so fantastic. that was good. it's going to get and it's very good by the way, you know, so we may well not quite stumbled into it, certainly serendipity in science. i know we managed to make these are and i and they seem to be sometimes. so if that's how we would deploy those on i've seen against other infectious, even cancer. i mean by on site the company which gave the vaccine to 5 or they were actually going to counselor to make it back same for counsellor. can you imagine the huge awesome ism among immunology, that we now finally get vaccines for things that we need vaccine for you. so now the period if we need to do better now, even though that 70 percent is a great number, are still very expensive, not hard for me. you know? so we may see a better for the production situation, but it is one option. and then 2nd to my own area and promise we were trying to

develop much more ways to suppress inflammation in the longer than cobra. for example, those drugs could suppress inflammation and other long diseases like emphysema. you know, so the words are going to get my analogy. i got something from the print shop. we could get technologies from this that will be deployed and lots of different context. and i think we're going to look at it like the 2nd one on okay, for those new technologies that were flexible across different areas, the comb with crisis, unsure whether we look back and came back. christ can be used in different ways. so can pin you down on this, what you're saying is because of the extent of the technical breakthroughs, the, the fact that we know from the large sample of application of the vaccinations for the significantly an increasing sample of the treatment. the medical benefits are such that these will be a clickable to other diseases to other conditions that will be unable to defeat in

the past. but these may be breakthroughs for the future. that's the hope exactly look or malaria. and there is a disease that devastates africa. you know, we spent decades trying to get a vaccine. now we're seeing progress. you know, if we, if we can go to my area from africa, it has massive economic benefits because you know, that, that's because all on the health of the nation is better, people are getting sick and so on. yeah. so for the 1st time, maybe us oversight, we bought commitment area for a few years actually. but now it's within our grasp states to develop vaccines for very important infections of data and now deployable and your previous cars, not getting them. i was, you know, can you get the vaccine out to the people or not, you know, and we, if we lay down the tracks, they get out, you know, things that may be sold, you want to grow. so, corolla virus, a strongly pandemic, huge number of casualties. what'll white but the end result may be a giant leap and science. yeah, definitely. and again,

you got to get credit so many years investment research in the welcome trust in the u. k. for example, they might have in the u. s. they were all, you know, tax payers, money off and was spent. were now seeing that coming gotten away because we didn't know the vaccine would be a really bad way because you've been an awful lot more death and destruction. i'm not the case on a bill on all those years of research professor look at neil, thank you. so much for joining me once again on the alex simon show. lobby, thanks so much i. in recent weeks, 2 of the highest back committed countries in the world. the u. s. and e u. k. have record of the highest rates of corona virus. it is true that the vaccines have weakened the link between infection and hospitalizations, but the u. s. a store recording the highest number of deaths in the world and over 10000 per week, while the u. k. as one of the highest, in fact typically dates per head of population. they almost block

a reaction of substantial sections of the population and media to this continuing level of infection and loss speaks to people bravely and the societal restriction. however, both countries are heading into northern winter, where conditions are conducive not just to cruel a virus but to other winter killers. and both countries have health services already buckling under the pressure of the virus. in the circumstances, the news to mister vaccine shorts and further protection from other therapies such as the antibody cocktail developed by the general and it's understandable. other policy decisions, however, seem inexplicable. as many parts of the plan is to largely unvaccinated. any suggestion that humanities battle against corporate 1900 nearly won the pen, mature, to the extent of foolhardy for now for alex myself and all the show is good by stay bases and hope to see you all again next week. ah

me soon? ah, ah, the news i'm at kaiser was more of my guys do financial survival. this is a hedge fund. it's a device used by professional value eggs to earn money. that's right. these hedge funds are completely not accountable. and we're just adding more and more to them. totally. the stabilize the global economy. you need to protect yourself and get

inform, watch because of the lack of universal healthcare makes america the country of every man for himself. we have a retirement crisis in this country and we have a health care crisis for seniors in this country as well. so private business has come up with a special mechanism for that. it's called a life settlement market. we are a life settlement provider, means that we buy life insurance policies from primarily seniors throughout the united states who no longer want or can't afford their life insurance policies. if you're sick and for want to live a few more years, you can sell your life insurance. that way you get more money right away and the company collects your insurance payment up to your dad. there's a group of people out there i guess, hoping that people die. what kind of motivation is i give them when i start crying about them dying? that's usually what it's about. it's just the sheer unfairness of it all.

the shame that spells out not how she some in paris have come to view the parents. suburb is up to arms over the construction of a wall designed in theory to keep drug addicts out saying it is in humane and in practice only makes matters worse. it really feels like don't be apocalypse movie this last week. we have faced assault after assault that the doctor would put them to one side like animal. it's along western tradition to segregate new common. canadian military chief saw the pandemic as a chance to trust propaganda on citizens.