presidential elections coming up in april next year. oh, he needs to be seen as a, a big, bold statesman out there, leading from the front. and i think this is probably a little bit of mixture of posture, hymnals said, is testing the water, the say, what, what are the temperatures there in the rest of europe for, for his audition. okay. on the donald, the same question to you. i mean, i think there is a clear need, i mean it, you know, there's this whole mantra about the washington pivoting to asia and we're investing its resources and time there. i and at building a new coalition to back, it's our policies visa be china. ah. so, i mean, wouldn't it be opportune right now for the europeans? think about their own pivot and have a more of an independent foreign and security policy inc. it go head to donald in london. but he thought the question of having an independent foreign policy is to have a foreign policy the 1st, but i agree that you may grant. the european union has not got a common foreign policy. it isn't got even

a colon fiscal regime. it isn't going to come on when fir stage the so we're, we're not talking about something which is realistic. in the past, the 20 or 30 years european, the members of european union have taken different positions on foreign policy matters. and i simply don't see, even with the absence of britain, which in theory and theory through the certified the european union. i don't see in the absence of britain, but there's going to be any movement towards a common foreign policy. i saw her, the idea of it mccall, who has been such a poor president of france and so incompetent to have that he would be able to unite europe. now that the already strong man ha merkel has gone. i really, but he'll be beside by the time the germans have a government which would be christmas. and the french shirt will be in a,

a pre elect, thorough face, because i have to have the elections by april. i think even remember 2032 in which a buckle has got to fight almost certainly against a man. look, ben, who is against no just the european foreign policy, which is of even against a common currency. so the problem with euro is how to hold together, how to stop, or it's almost inexorable disintegration, or ina glenette, you know, a ever, irrespective how you feel about the your opinion. and i have agreed with everything that's been said on this program here. but at the end of the day, and you're and i, one of the things i like about your writing, you are truly a big picture guy. um, it seems to me that the trend is, is it in less europe can get its act together. if i can use that kind of slang language here, it is going to be left behind. i mean,

it will be left behind because it's irrelevant or a minor for a player and is as damien pointed out, you know, maybe france at one point in time will have an important foreign policy initiative . visa be the rest of the world. but it's not going to be the norm and there's no consistency here. so i mean, it seems to me, this is really a battle to avoid being coming irrelevant. because if you don't stand up for yourself, nobody else is going to do it. life moves on go ahead, glen. yeah, i agree. well, on levels of the critical, the ability to france to pull, pull through what it's suggesting, how strong this continues to me and his european leader without anyone to lead her . well, this is not the 1st time that you have attempted to establish autonomy. my things have changed because the role of the over the past big case of largely been to establish some autonomy in order to have more equality with the u. s. and his trans atlantic partnership, but it was under unit polar orders was intended for collecting money with the u. s . on equal partnership. now that the arrangement entailed at the us, you know,

pay for european security and in return europeans, all americans. but my point is simply that this belong to a eurocentric world because with the rise of china in the emergence of unit world, we see that this former format for you as your partnership, no longer really works because interest are changing our and becoming more and more divergent, so the u. s. is focusing more on china and asia, and thus it's shifting both its resources. anna ortiz accordingly. i was very obviously obvious with sabrina dealer with australia, by the way. so when the us so years will give less to europe, but ask for more in terms of asking you to, for example, come from china. and this is where i'm out of the tensions are these like a common interest or europeans the way i think they do have a dilemma one hand, they seek to maintain the relevant to the u. s. by, for example, accepting but nato should also be man by chinese lives. however, no matter what they do with this will be very superficial in temporary because china's too far waiting and the signal nothing else. a threat to the european union

to the same extent pregnancy dominance in the asia pacific. so it's also the problem for the used by joining this u. s. chris, a crusade against both the russia and the chinese. the u. s. isolated south because it becomes less able to diversify pies and thus excessively reliance on the us. so i and i only use the bus and prioritize your so the solution is simply for the you, in my opinion, at least a diversified ice. so develop an independent foreign policy towards the extent is possible, as well as both the russians and the chinese and by all means keep the trans atlantic partnership alone, but also find a place in his chin on you greater your ation partnership with his marci ration house he owned a minute, it seems to me when i, when i look at this here in kind of an echo with glen just said to us here is that in the u. s. takes it as a axiomatic that they did, the europe will go long to pursue or push forward a washington's foreign policy interests. you know,

you take care of the russians for us and we'll take care of the chinese, or we want you to be anti chinese who. i mean, it's, it's very derogatory in the way i look at it. i mean, why should the, the, an economy that's larger than the united states population larger than the united states? it basically be a junior partner and just being a messenger, for washington's bidding. i mean it, in, in a minute during the cold war, that made kind of sense. but i mean, i, you know, 30 years out. i don't see the, any sense that, particularly the withdrawal from afghanistan, the submarine dealer. i mean, when, when somebody in europe go to wake up and say, geez, maybe we got, i totally rethink this thing. go ahead. oh, how does i? i mean, i'd like to play donald trump because i think, i mean, thanks. i mean, thank you president problem. he basically has driven europe back into a more in shall in, shall looking world. ah, they realize that nato is, is not the bill, a lender before from prison macklin took france back into into night. i remember

after 43 year absence, he called the organization brained it. so even though he's a member of nato, he clearly doesn't have a lot of respect for. i think that across the, across on the, the europe as well. that the governor, nature of governments have changed. we've seen there the to decline the, you know, the route, the strongest christian democrats government, under miracle, which was a problem solving government elect, any reality elegy which had been taken away from it by, by the far right. and, and in the, and the far left in either seeks. and of course, the grains, as i, we with, with the seeing is a shift in the way that the, the politics is being played out. and being far more domestic. you've got strong leaders in poland and in the hungry i left a strong leader in, in france. obviously we're going to be a mess initially. but these are looking at the domestic issues. but they're also looking at that the nina bonus. so it's places like turkey, turkey is in a gateway country to

a far different univers out there that has nothing to do with america. really. it's very in a middle east as all the problems that are out there, all the various, issues that we will have to deal with out there. i the north, but ukraine and beyond that, russia and obviously everyone took their own waived of dealing with russia, while germany is quite, quite i nibble with a particular of the notes shame to pipeline on the k number words. if i can back. in other words, go ahead donald, your country. each country has a different perception of their relations. it should be as a nation, as a country, as a stay with china or with russia. yes, together, europe is necessarily weak, precisely because we use the word europe. but it doesn't really mean anything. and the consequence of this is that the united states can behave in the most bizarre way towards europe, ignoring not, not in telling them by the way where we're growing from afghanistan. not even

telling them by the way, we're making a special baxter with australia and the united kingdom. so the humiliation pied on the humiliation. and there is no way in which europe can inform of here all that. and i, and i jump in here, i'm going to hold, i'm gonna jump in here, please hold that. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on european securities, napartine. ah, we live in a time now where we receive so many inputs on a daily basis that are completely i'm will need to reality. so think about how and social media filters and they basically will present themselves in a very unrealistic way. and so when we come down to fomo, there is any involved. but more than that, it's about being sort of envious of something that may not exist and is also really tied to the fact that as humans, we want to be part of the crowd. lack

of universal healthcare makes america the country of every man for himself. we have a retirement crisis in this country and we have a health care crisis for seniors in this country as well. so private business has come up with a special mechanism for that. it's called the life settlement market. we are a life settlement provider, which means that we buy life insurance policies from primarily seniors throughout the united states who are no longer want or cant afford their life insurance policies. if you're sick and full, to want to live a few more years, you consillio life insurance. that way you get more money right away and the company collects your insurance payment off to your death. as a group of people out there, i guess hoping that people die soon. what kind of motivation is i give them when i start crying about him dying? that's usually what it's about. it's just the sheer unfairness of it all.

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to simply do nothing short, then build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever no real. oh, you know, to protect it. it gives you or sure, doug did that. they're not eligible. no new son, new rochelle. he on more, more general martha, this is meant nguyen from all one up on there and i got the lamb sale. i got your name up. i got on monday. i wish to know about joy. oh, new. i know you did room or gotten more polished enough, jr. let's i had to put on with their mother and all our buddy bill. can you go out? cows? nice. oh boy, that's good to go on. what the on this the were wrong. she my and new other. i'm

all i can send more on all said mom, good student. i don't the year you're in love. i'm all for them out that they give us a ah welcome back, the cross walk where all things considered. i'm peter level to remind you we're discussing european security ah okay, i want to go back to donald in london because you were on a role as we had to go to at break there. to kind of sum up what you had to say. what question is beggs? i mean, is it even possible for europe today to have a coherent foreign policy?

i mean, because if i, you know, distill what you had to say, every country is going to do what it wants to do eventually. so there, by definition, by default there is no such thing as a european foreign policy. did i get that right? go ahead donald in london. absolutely, but it's not by default or anything. there is no european comment. foreign policy. an end of story may be there should be one, but in order for that to appear, you need of quite a lot of work among 27 countries with each having a different electrodes and a half of the what would happen if i can continue the degree of euro skepticism has increased enormously in the last 20 years. you're just a italy, which shows to be the most pro european country of van european union. and the leading parties are now you're a skeptic. the in france, my little pen need a 50 percent of the vote. presumably what i hope she'll get more is also your

skeptic. and of course i'm poland, and hungary and song. they're not exactly the dying to have a common foreign policy. they want to have their own foreign policy. this is previous irritable it's, it's never what your opinion was about. he opinion was that, you know, was a security or a security pep rally between, between nations. it wasn't all the countries did not security. no, it was not a security back. it was an economic baxter when he could be hardly provided to provide security in the, in the, in the aftermath of, of, of the 1st 4 are the, sorry, 2nd rebel. and you know, around the time in the balkans it'll show showed how powerful could be. but i think the european people don't, they don't want the europeans for from brussels to be making their foreign policy decisions. you only have to see how extraordinary it is when you're actually on the lion and by shout michelle, turn up at things like the g 7 summit and sit on the outside. i almost like the or

the bridesmaids at the wedding it's. it's a strange thing to say. they are trying to muscle in and become what can be considered world later when it's sitting amongst the other. the leaders of u. k. u. s. japan, i mean even canada, canada and they look kind of like a little bit lost. they just not wanted on that stage. they to but they had sort of furniture to that to the proceedings. who are you are so where we've been discussing, i sure. yeah, coming from, well, i'm going to tell you why gentlemen, this is a perfect segue to go to glen right now. glenn has a new book out. absolutely fascinating. subtitle to it. i really like it. europe as the western peninsula of greater eurasia. explain or simply an argument simpler, you're kind of grown up in this a trans atlantic partnership as an economic region, which shows them translates into it. so, massage in foreign policy. now my,

my argument simpler, they can amik interests and 2 discounts for more and you have this new greater you ration constellation coming along with pushed by. 1 countries like china, russia and it's kind of demanding that the, you know, i mean, at times we have cooperating with this new constructor in order for not in order not to become, to isolate in. and i guess, wait to some extent see, old ended up happening now. it is a good way to describe the relationship with united states as well. for example, it's what the youth going through now i would compare to what russia went through before and then 90, since you thousands because russia have changed this faith the same challenge as therapy in union, i rush only attempt to time economic integration with the rest and became too dependent on for this reason, whatever rockdale, the westwood would offer a rush. i was always the best option on the table because the west coast, the only game in town. now that rushes diversifying and economics even if the

west's frozen by deals or sanctions, russia camila ships, is focused towards the east, which is what it's doing. and this is kind of my argument as well as what the european union must do as well by not aligning its solely to the u. s. as our country and the relative decline, the has less than the strategic interest in europe. and when it's there, there are some problems endemic in with the 2 biggest nations that would have to be deal with russia, i guess. and china mean russia with the no string to deal which america tried to press germany to abandon. but the fact of the things nearly none, 8 percent completed, at least, angel merkel convinced that this made no sense. but they had more success with convincing ye ye to abandon its. it's our china trying to which had spent so many years getting together. and then the american said, you know what, you just join us in a bit of push the hinge talk and, and ditch this petition. some planning i did. so i can't believe that the european

you fall in so easily, but that's the pressure they felt from america. i agree, go ahead. no, i go ahead and i will not put, i will not put the relation between europe and russia at the same level on a similar level rather than the relation with china. the 2 countries are extremely different. russia exports or is fundamentally primary product. the fundamentally energy gas and oil. the export of china is not, is exactly the opposite. is consumer goods. you walk into a supermarket, a big shop in london, and the stuff from china is absolutely enormous. i mean, we will go wrong with moscow made in china, you know, to 100000000 of them and that, that, that, that the, them, it in china, the stuff we buy from russia. caviar if we're richer or both come yes. but otherwise, it's gas and energy and things like that. so the,

the fact that the 2 countries are big and important does not mean that we can have a same relationship with both of them. certainly what we shall not go along the way the is the absurd notion that both countries or, or either country in wants to dominate a militarily or ideologically the rest of the, of the work during the cold war. yes, there was an ideology which wanted to be global. communism it's on, but put in his me is not a global ideology. and if she's in thing is not a global ideology. all the chinese want is to be able to continue grow and to resolve their economic problems. and presumably the same as was the russians won't say the theory. the only thing in common with the european countries have, is to stop being subservient to the united states. well, i mean, god, so, and also important issue here gentlemen, let's all be honest. here i'm going to go back to glen. i mean the cynic in me says the most important european export is his values, and that's

a cudgel that it uses all the time. glenn's argument, if i get it right, it's going to be in economic infrastructure. it's going to be trade is going to be prosperity is going to be pulling up the european land mass. you know, like all boats rising here are the belt road initiative and there's no politics in that, at least not, you know, on, on the surface. so, i mean, this is a big problem for the europeans in my opinion, because they put these other ideological priorities. first, and nobody's there, no takers. okay. i mean, how does that bring you prosperity? most people will say, go ahead, glen. oh and well, obviously now then the analogy has made the, or has contributed to preventing you from diversifying its ties, but otherwise i would agree better. what was said before that, so obviously in russia, obviously the con, 70 hedge, a monic ambitions to think less of the size. and i would even come to the china doesn't have the possibility either enough with bothering larger hours in the game

. but that being said, the u. s. obviously has communicated, clear, had demonic policy. and this is also the problem why it wants to. it will prevent their pains from them or to find your ties because as long as you have successive relies on it use economy, then there will be able to exert or convert as into political influence now. but in order for it be in for washington to keep the sierra beans and dependency, it also applies to americans have to push the europeans to not to get anymore. chinese technologies, no more. russian energy or redmond systems, no mountain road, no arctic corridor with rush hour, no investment agreement with china, no common banks payment system. because the songs are constantly relying on your, on your sunday can extend examiners already over europe. so for example, the, the us dollar, and i would say reflections if i can extend what you were that were

saying there, glen, to damian, here. so at the bridesmaid, comes back into mine. is it the washington on europe will continue. always be a bridesmaid and then an old maid, and if we follow glens logic here, go ahead. damien. well, i think if washington wants to maintain your, your pain inches, it's going to show a bit more lake. ha. because you can't tell, you can't be turning around and saying, you know, to, to the french. oh, we love you. and then another back door in them on a sub submarine deal. this is not going to work. so i'm not quite sure what to get into waffa as a sit do. they tried to pressure germany at not string to pipeline that didn't work . what they got left is it really is only nato that i can see so many lists i but even manage jo barden, rick of appetite to, to resurrect that in, to sort of some seriously serious ha transatlantic force that's going to position itself with one eye on russia, i guess the one on china,

i really not sure whether what, what the american strategy will be because it, but donald trump, so pull the rug out from every one on, on this and nothing, nothing to me looks like to replace her, to be able to replace that relationship. okay, well go, well, i will allow, last minute goes to donald here. so what is the fate of nato which remember, macro made? these made this word, these, the said, these words about being naive. when the, the greek for our prime minister was, are announcing their buying french arms. they're, they're buying those arms because of turkey. they're nato ally here. so what is the fate of the, of nato and all this last minute to you donald? well, nieto wall was funded for one specific purpose to contain the alleged aggression of the russians. this aggression has now finished a but bureaucracy. they've got to continue. so they gone, they gone, and every time they have to find a good reason to exist is like

a murray bond who should be dying and yet keeps on saying, well, i'm still alive and i don't know exactly why i am alive, but there you are. i mean, you know, give me the receipt. 8th, me do not. so give me loss injection off morphine. what is weird about this whole situation is that it's not clear what is it, or how europe is depended on the united states. because if europe is not faced with a military fracture, then what is it that we need the united states for? i tell you the big think with united states give us our ideas of microsoft or apple, that kind of stuff. but as an idea, not as a thing, the thing is manufactured in china and you know, we get the things we get the never as a cultural impacts to and which we would gone anyway, whether or not we do as them. okay, well i'm going to jump in here gentlemen who have run out of time. i have to agree that the americans provide ideas but not very uh,

more and more often not very good ideas. okay. many thanks and i guess in london and in oslo and thanks dory, you were for watching us here at archy. see you next time. remember crosstalk with blue? ah. moved to no one. no, no, no, no, no, no, no. what door was real to what? the unit 731 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly

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