lemme up there, a skill labor. and the trick is not working at the moment because a lot of the migrants have left. so basically the government should have had the facilities to train healthcare workers, but it does not have that in place. and it's not something you can come to europe overnight because the priority has been, hold the government to provide tax cuts to corporations and the rich. and now all re, people are really just paying the price. here. what did you think of it when boys johnson? apparently in new york for you and general assembly met up with jeff bezos and said it's up to companies like amazon to pay that ex. wow. i suppose he might as well say the bucket to the rear end of the station and they're going to pay your taxes before you leave the country. companies are not going to want to voluntarily pay taxes. we need to have a well resource tax authority, and certainly hardly any actions been taken against. the tax avoidance industry are

been an avid or what the big for accounting firms, the center of the global tax avoidance industry. do that, can you imagine you and i getting a court judgment and court says you're done something a lawful somebody will descend upon you there will find you there will shut down some businesses for that. that just does not happen to the ex avoidance industry at all. no, really surprising up to a point because there are many members of parliament who are on the payroll of these firms in the former senior politicians have work or are currently working for these big accounting firms or so. so there is a real crisis about what you know, what is happening in our society. on paper we are told we have a government off the people for the people, but it does not really appear to be for the people. it is only for the rich and john corporations. when you mentioned the audit companies, when the actual,

the violations that have been discovered in fan is, and i know you written about it. one company grant thornton was fine, 2340000 pounds on, on 471000000. the income over auditing the big auditors are also part of the systemic problem. well, the other times really they've been delivering that on this for nearly a century. nothing up with, you know, there is any changes to collapse or lehman brothers. and when we had to close our libraries for austerity to baylor, all these banks that you know, change in order things. and so the bailouts, there is no 100 mental change. they have been tinkering around as the edges, though, has not really done anything. the government could discipline them by saying, look, we won't give you any taxpayer sponsored contracts. these homes had no experience

in dealing with a pandemic. shouldn't they got coded contracts running into 100 and millions of pounds? and that is, in a sense, the real fundamental problem in this country that there are certain groups on the elite who have benefited from government policies. others have not our wages. and i look at the workers wages have basically been stagnant for the next decade. meanwhile, the energy bills, the food bills, transport bills are rising and old. repeat the la struggling. as you said earlier, 14 and a half 1000000 people live below the poverty line. and there is no discernible government plan to, to deal with that. and when, when, when you listen to the labor policies are announced to the conference this week, there is of much happening there either. we heard how the labor leader was opposed to 15 pound per hour minimum wage. lee, alyssa, put that in perspective,

even if somebody gets 15 pounds there will be paying 20 percent of that. in the basic income tax. on top of the other is 12 percent in national insurance on top of that. and other 1.25 percentage point recently announced increase in the health and kel ivy. while that doesn't really leave anybody very much to deal with the massive increase into prices and energy prices are anything else. and they want, boris johnson has avoided anakin. farmer has avoided, is a key word. the key word is re distribution. there is no read beach and going on, and that is a staggering in this country that even people in full time jobs can't come in to look after their families that don't have enough resources to pay for their housing food and anything else. that is really unacceptable. we need massive

redistribution, but no political party is willing to take that all. is that because, and they'll certainly be stands for a private equity companies at the conservative body conference. this week, let alone closer ties between to case as labor body in the city of london. is that because of revolving door between the very financial services a institutions and the democratically elected parties. well, the revolving doors is one aspect. the other is a lot of the media itself is controlled by the very interests who want these kind of privileges. we really need a fundamental constitutional reform. for example, we need to need to deal with whether the members of parliament should really be consultants to corporate and trust. many are still on the books of corporations, of the basically do their master's bidding in parliament, and that is unacceptable for them. every one of them, when i, they do that,

that's just a helpful donations and they can, you know, they can pursue 46 percent rise in your sales by the way the richer are doing that bad. the one of the more astonishing figures that you mean quoting. it seems in opposition to what we hear from the media. you speak of that the financial services industry somehow helps the exchequer, the u. k. economy. you quote some with a 4.5 trillion pounds. in a negative contribution to the u. k. economy between 19972015. so all those tall buildings in the city of london is that a negative in on the economy during that period? well that, that is right. that is, i'm quoting research conducted at the university of sheffield by distinguished academics. so she look at, we bailed out the banks. for example. the city of london is of the full front of a tax avoidance industry, money laundering,

industry. many of our graduates end up working in the finance industry instead of say, going to other industries which are far more productive. i love the city of london is basically simply gambling by taking all these things into account. the academic colleagues, cheko university came up with that estimate that estimate has not been denied by the government. indeed, i have cited that in debates of the house of lords, challenger ministers, the denied you look at the other countries that finance industry too. but it is not so dominant, i'm not against the finance industry, but what i am again says on unrestrained speculation and gambling was we have, we have a financial conduct authority here is a regulator. and in the house of lords you, you're demanding an investigation into the regulator itself. i mean,

is london the most corrupt place on earth? well, our regulators are pretty ineffective. i mean, i cited the example of her hsbc in the house of lords. hsbc was find at $1900000000.00 in the us for money laundering. admitted that in writing that had been engaged in, quote, criminal conduct. and it was not investigated. the u. k. that for whatever reason, no government statement was made about this. but curiously, in the u. s. and other committee senatorial committee got interested in that. how had come that a bank is find such a massive amount. this was in 2012 and but not really prosecuted. and they then mounted an investigation and published a report that report contained a letter from the uke. you can chancellor together with the

e mails and letters from the nuclear regulatory authorities and the bank of england urging the americans to go easy on hsbc. it was too big too high. l to big to regulate and that is not the only example though we use it is u. k. the most corrupt we had the bank of credit and commerce international which was shut down in 1991. it was the world's biggest banking fraud in the 20th century. to this day they had been their investigation. and i, a 45 and a half year legal battle with the u. k. government to get hold on one secret document. this is under the freedom of information and that document showed that the bank was looted. my operatives of al qaeda, saudi intelligence. there were smugglers, there were a gun runners, you name it, but the u. k. government has hushed up the whole thing and we have to remember that al qaeda and taliban themselves are funded. and, and by,

by the western authorities that were trained by western there has been absolutely no accountability. and this particular bank, banks collapse, was never really investigated. so one has to conclude that the government is nurturing these kind of darker practices, which is not helpful to the people. well, lord, pepsi good. thank you. obviously you had parliamentary privilege. we don't have it here. all those banks deny any are wrong doing. in the main and obviously so does the financial goal is to regulate you're, you're most welcome to look at marco elementary speeches publicly available evidence which is cited in those speeches to decide, oh, you know, what do you want to accept labrems they get. thank you. after the break counter extremism will come to democracy. does the government war on terror prevents the

very freedoms? it aims to protect us more coming up in part 2 of going underground ah ah ah, with a ah.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is offensive. very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very katy killed time. time to sit down and talk with. welcome back. as nato nations grow alarmed by the influx of refugees from defeat in afghanistan, we see another optic in mass surveillance to cast thomas labor parties. already talking about utilizing video doorbell systems and the johnson government has been slammed for interfering in schools. joining me now from here in london is dr. rob for walker, who has experienced the u. case prevent counter terrorism program 1st hand and is now written the emergence of extremism exposing the violent discourse language of

radicalization. congratulations on the book. welcome rob to the show you written about the emergence of extremism in inverted commas. in this book, you were a school teacher, so you had 1st hand experience of this prevent strategy supported by the labor and tory parties over the years. i'm how did it help inspire you perhaps to write this book? i'm well, yeah, thanks very much. i was, i was teaching the same teaching in a lot. i mean it's so slower, i was working and became a rent strategy in around 2015 and it seems immediately it seems to be problematic. we were being brief on how to identify i young children as essential future terrorists. i mean seem madness to me. a 100. i mean, so i was teaching as a secondary school,

but we don't examples of, you know, children and children, even events, you know, 6 or 56, i'm year olds. and it's just as a man, this is based based on the idea that the people's political views might act as a, as a, as a useful for predicting detracts and violence. which is called the logic of how a democracy totally the wrong way around. this is logic in a democracy, it's enabling or express views that might be outside of the norm. that means they don't have to resort. so i've been writing about rent in place only, all that by preventing people from speaking out. eric used, i was my mike screen. they're actually making a lot more and not less. right. so the whole strategy, especially as productive. so i've subsequently the questions, i have the most recent reception and i've been logging your hands for

a few years. now. here you say in the book, it not only undermines our democracy by labeling some people extremists, but it also silencing them and into doing, denying them the opportunity to participate in debate. i mean, we were hearing that the taliban report or the checking has our boys mobile phones a photo galleries e mails. that's that kind of idea. it's comparable that. i mean, this is it's, it's a totally get it. and it's not really surprising. prevent like strategies encountered streamers, which was invented by the u. k. in the u. s. alliance has been laptop i regimes around glow. i mean, you can see that the office in recent years for b, a, b, i would encounter extremism training with the indian governments. i mean, the treatments or medicines and india may also, you know, that the streaming along the need for you, of course,

is where given cancer streams in training. so the chinese states in advance are be a weakness and we received this in a wholesale refreshing muslims going on around below. i was in that late a situation that has, i mean, i, the war and sarah mentioned on hopefully find you this close in a waste time, dangerous way, some time costing millions of lives needlessly in the is made to wells a less safe place. and this rent strategies ultimately, the domestic front of the war on terror and a chinese indian government was he denied any wrong doing as well as that people can watch our interview about that we get now, you know, in 2019 the home of his home, of his work was that prevent is a vital part of our counterterrorism work, which safeguards vulnerable people from being drawn into terrorism since 2012.

that's. that's the british government safeguarding, you know, having been a teacher in years. said going is, is absolutely primary for teacher. and what rent a new layer of surveillance into that relationship rent is one of the only areas that i huddle or repeatedly encounter professionals who claims for children and be interviewed by the police. without that parents stay informed about it. so there is, this is, there is nothing to do with this. so it's about safeguarding the states from detention and tara, and as i say, the idea is a use way of track. sarah is, is ridiculous. and i, i personally have had situations where before events existed, you would have on occasion, young was then was, and then also all of us boys me is that a teacher about aspirations, for example,

travels out and start that also. and in every situation, they told me i discovered a b as well. they learned that they can write to engage in democracy now become a democrat. i mean, i situations, none of those children ever travel ever did. and i just, i'm say, as a teacher, as a great state to help them become democratic citizens with prevention, base, base, children and i had chosen told me they wouldn't have a conversation teacher because they, no teacher would be obliged lease or prevents. and it's no coincidence. it was introduced in the school. the next those goals are i with the 3 goals, including she made a child again back in my experience and may well have

conversations about their expressions with teachers that are on stations about frustration policy, which children are now not going to say i'm quite right on the stations because it's like either the results or, and at least i mean, you know, my dual actually vague him who human rights advocate say, has been denied her citizenship. i think the interesting thing about your book of taking it away from islam ism for a 2nd. then we talk a lot in this program a to learn this kind of radicalization to britain itself because historically promoted is lism, obviously in afghanistan, under the beginning. you talk about how we're the 1st time the phrase extremism was used in parliament on the 2nd of august, 919 and it was about miners and railway men. this is about class as well as it is anything to do about the war in terra, you seem to be suggesting, well, for, there's been a historically, this been a very, there was a big shift after the 77 bombings in 2005 on attorney last

started using stream them to describe the act of the bombers, which represents a dramatic shift in the british left. because before that's all the instances which are very rare and you can read all of them within one city. but all of the instances stream isn't being used in parliament, are used by the left to just describe the hard left. so you will get labor and he's will say, say to a tory, i'm people say you need to watch out a press. the policies that you're asking. because in response to that, it will be arise and extremism. that's looking at the whole left and communist in the 20th century, which will result in more left for him. and he's, and this is an interesting thing for me because what it shows is that the left wing politicians, labor politicians, did not want power. they want to political change. and so the interesting thing now,

and again under case dominant glerison is this idea versus interest policy actually moves it totally away from its roots. the leg possibly was set up as an opposition party to demand change. and so if i, you know, this is why the last talk about the struggle because they are, it's an ongoing struggle against against power. and again, so clarity. and when you get so much time you blast my kids are aspiring to be in power in a 2 party system like we have in the you. k, that's totally ruins. what i called alimentary calculus. we no longer have any balance and powers within parliament because you got to groups of people, the tories and labor, both by and for power, which means you actually get no one representing people's interests. and what they do represent you mentioned that the case sharma is associated with the trilateral commission and something about that. the great us historian and

dramatists and rights and go values to talk about in his later years. what is the trilateral commission? the ticket number is associated with it, so it's quite extraordinary, but really, really would be a member of the machine. the trilateral commission was formed after the 2nd world war and its try lateral because it is representative of business leaders from japan, your north america. and they, infamously, in the early seventies roy, say, a book called the crisis of democracy. and the crisis of democracy they describe is that students are starting to pro, set to protest and demand change. feminist women are demands in clinical representation around the world. workers on demanding representation within, within parliament. and they see this is a crisis. the crisis for them is that there is too much democracy, that people are getting involved in political decisions. and they actually in the crisis they, they rice out,

describe the projects of how they're going to host discipline and sacrifice on to, on to post war relations. and so if you look at the current membership mission, these are it's full of elitist business leaders. incredibly rich people and represent the business which extraordinarily well, i don't think it is nice for me to sort of, mary here some of the leisure lane party is a member of i don't think it's to a concert or to suggest that kissed armor who you funded his campaigns come later with a number of small donations that were small and below the threshold. have to declare who in here exactly made raise the nations. i didn't get too much research imagination to suggest an organization like the trilateral mission of multiple different business leaders. would be a good place to start organizing such

a campaign. in fact, i didn't think it on that is representative of label asshole. he's been put in place by this organization, which is actively designed to undermine the labor movement and they've, they've written in that treaty. well, it is being put in there by a lot of members as well. we right to get stronger on the never received want to come on even i met him on a b b c program, but he does seem to want to come on. do you really do put into context in this book, how anti capitalist literature has been there, even surveilled by the state in recent years? obviously, the climate activists complaining that they are being under this surveillance state . the obvious, vital question is how can we and may debate and converse in the public arena, knowing that the kinds of surveillance you outlined in the book is a full spectrum across the range. and, you know, people's children,

as you say, a coming up against it. yeah, i mean it's, it's incredibly worrying really, but we are, i mean, i'm sure you, you on your, i'm sort of the, the way that the lease and i'm trying prevents people every math, less views and, and yeah, the level of surveillance teachers and docs is informing on people's movements, and we'll say now you know, there is also, you know, that they like to surveillance, which is a, you know, carrying michael, i, it's very difficult to imagine how people can exist politically within such a climate. but i think, i think what we have to do is we have to do now we have the ultimate leader, the power exists in extent, which is on the road for

a walker. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday when po leading british prime minister boss johnson takes to the stage because everybody conference has millions receive welfare, consummate, and energy crisis that could further squeeze the poor families in one of the richest countries in the world until then keep in touch with social media and let us know if you're worried about your children being targeted by, via my 5 prevent. ah, ah, the lack of universal healthcare makes america the country of every man for himself . we have a retirement crisis in this country and we have a health care crisis for seniors in this country as well. so private business has come up with a special mechanism for that. it's called the live settlement market. we are a life settlement provider, which means that we buy life insurance policies from primarily seniors throughout the united states who are no longer want or can't afford their life insurance

policies. if you're sick and full, to want to live a few more years, you consillio life insurance. that way you get more money right away and the company collects your insurance payment off to your death. whenever there's a group of people out there, i guess hoping that people die soon. what kind of motivation does that give them when i start crying about him dying? that's usually what it's about. it's just the sheer unfairness of at all. ah, it's so, but i think the most, i think i see you go, he did, who bought, i bought a dial tomorrow, a couple of reviews on your quote, but i know from politicians to athletes and movies, delta musicals does it seems that every big name in the world has been here last year hope of miss you can pick up. this goes to school. ah, what do i see

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