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ah, a with the i'm action or it's ancy, we're going underground. digging up the stories buried by the so called mainstream media coming up in the show on the heels of an anti jeremy colbin labor leaders conference. com is boris johnson's conservative body conference. this week, the tories a leading and polls just why didn't energy crisis one of the highest per capita deaf job, coven responses and welfare got to the poorest. we follow the money and 24 hours ahead of lawrence johnson's defense secretary speech at the dory conference and following defeat in afghanistan is the u. k. importing taliban style attacks on freedom to impose british gum with all this. i'm all coming up in today's going

underground. the 1st it's political conference season here in britain, but as morris johnson writers speech for this week, brittany seemingly facing crisis after crisis the army brought in to solve the car fuel crisis, energy companies going bankrupt, allegedly untrustworthy transport companies having to be brought back into public ownership and johnson having to subsidize a c o 2 company to keep beer flowing. who better to follow the money with the lord, prem sicker arch critic of structures of financial regulation here in britain. thank you so much for coming back on after so long. we have 14, a half 1000000 here in poverty, including $4300000.00 children, a labor leader. they buy the leader, you turning on minimum wage or regulation buys johnson cutting 20 pounds a week from britons or 6000000 poorest as it conscious cruelty by stammer and johnson or is in competence while i hello alicia. nice to be on your program. i think care there are structural problems and the whole of the u. k. economy,

which neither party is willing to address. and what we are witnessing in terms of chill chill to do is for geo to does homelessness cuts in universal credit. that is basically how neoliberalism is playing out. it is really about enriching the rich are not really doing much for the masses. and i mean, no, i know you originally about this. i mean say just the health care system here, the envy of the world. it used to be the national health service here, that is it by stealth, they are privatizing it. and is it working this idea that the you can cream people off into the private sector? now as the n a just seems to be failing for some in this country. well, i think it is privatization mostella and also deliberately, you know, when the conservative government came to office in 2010, the waiting list was about 2.42.5000000 in england. it is already about high point,

6000000 and the whole house is, has going to possibly 13000000 by the end of next year. and the main reason for that is the lack of investment. britain is unable even to trade sufficient doctors and we've been doing what we have done for a long, long time. that is really poach people from other countries, deprived them of their skill labor. and the trick is not working at the moment because a lot of the migrants have left. so basically the government should have had the facilities to train health care workers, but it does not have that in place. and it's not something you can come to europe overnight because the priority has been how the government to provide tax cuts to corporations and the rich. and now older people are really just paying the price. here. what did you think of it when boys johnson? apparently in new york for the un general assembly met up with jeff bezos and said

it's up to companies like amazon to pay their tax. how. how are i suppose that he might as well say there be a bucket at the rear station and they're saying, calling to pay your taxes, please. before you leave the country, companies are not going to voluntarily pay taxes. we need to have a well resource tax authority, and certainly hardly any actions been taken against the tax avoidance industry. i've been an avid or what the big for accounting firms, the api center of the global tax avoidance industry. do i, can you imagine you and i getting a court judgement and court says you're done something a lawful somebody will defend upon you there will find you there will shut down businesses or that, that just does not happen to the ex avoidance industry at all. no, really surprising a point because there are many members of parliament who are on the payroll of these firms in the former senior politicians have work or are currently working for

these big accounting firms as well. so there is a real crisis about what you know, what is happening in our society. on paper we are told we have a government off the people for the people. and it does not really appear to be for the people. it is only for the rich and john corporations, when you mentioned the audit companies, when the actual, her violations that have been discovered in fantasy. i know you written about it. one company grant thornton was fine. 2.34000000 pounds on, on what 471000000, the income over auditing, the big auditors are also part of the systemic problem. while the other times really they've been delivering that or that's for nearly a century, nothing out of those. instead of going, you know, there is any changes to collapse or lehman brothers. and when we had to close our

libraries for austerity to bail out, all these banks, no change in order things. and so the bailout, there is new 100 mental change. they've been tinkering around at the edges that has not really done anything. the government could discipline them by saying, look, we won't give you any taxpayer sponsored contracts. these homes have no experience in dealing with a pandemic, certainly got coded contracts running into 100 millions of pounds. and that is, in a sense, the real fundamental problem in this country that there are certain groups on the elite who have benefited from government policies. others have not wages and i look at the workers wages, basically been stagnant for the next decade. meanwhile, the energy bills, the food bills, transport bills are rising at old repeat law struggling. as you said earlier, 14 and a half 1000000 people live below the poverty line,

and there is no discernible government plan to, to deal with that. and when, when, when you listen to the labor policies are announced to the conference this week, there isn't much happening there either. we heard how the labor leader was opposed to 50 pound per hour minimum wage. lee alyssa, with that in perspective, even if somebody gets 15 pounds there will be paying 20 percent of that in the basic income tax on top of the other 12 percent in national insurance on top of that. and other 1.25 percentage point recently announced increase in the health and carroll every while. that doesn't really leave anybody very much to deal with the massive increase into prices and energy prices or anything else. and what boris johnson has avoided an i q star. my has awarded is a key word. the key word is really distribution. there is no real distribution

going on. and that is a staggering in this country that even people in full time jobs can come look after their families that don't have enough resources to pay for their housing, food and anything else. and that is really unacceptable. we need massive redistribution, but no political party is willing to take that all. is that because, and they'll certainly be stands for from private equity companies at the conservative body conference. this week, let alone her closer ties between kids as labor, party and city of london. is that because of revolving door between the very financial, this is a institutions and the, the democratically elected parties. well, the revolving doors is one aspect. the other is, a lot of the media itself is controlled, bother very interest who want these kind of privileges. we really need

a fundamental constitutional reform. for example, we need to need to deal with whether the members of parliament should really be consultants to corporate interest. many are still on the books of corporations, of the basically do their master's bidding in parliament and that is unacceptable for them. every one of them, when i, they do that, that's just a helpful donations and they kind of, you know, they can pursue 46 percent rising yacht sales by the way, the richer are doing that bad. the one of the more astonishing figures that you being quoting, it seems in opposition to what we hear from the media. you speak of that the financial services industry somehow helps the exchequer, the u. k. economy. you quote some with a 4.5 trillion pounds. in a negative contribution to the u. k. economy between 19972015. so all those tall

buildings in the city of london exert a negative impact on the economy during that period. well that, that is right. and that is, i'm quoting research conducted at the university of sheffield by distinguished academics. so she looked at, we bailed out the banks. for example, the city of london is at the forefront of a tax avoidance industry, money laundering industry. many of our graduates end up working in the finance industry instead of say, going to other industries which are far more productive. and a lot of the city of london is basically simply gambling by taking all these things into account. the academic colleagues, cheko university came up with that estimate that estimate has not been denied by the government. indeed, i have cited that in debates of the house of lords, challenger ministers to denied you. look at the other countries. laugh finance

industry too, but it is not so dominant. i'm not against the finance industry, but what i am again says and restrained speculation and gambling was we have, we have a financial conduct authority here is a regulator. and in the house of lords you, you're demanding an investigation into the regulator itself. i mean, is london the most corrupt place on earth? well, our regulators are pretty ineffective. i mean, i cited the example of her hsbc, in my, in the house of lords. hsbc was find at $1900000000.00 in the us for money laundering hand. it admitted that in writing that had been engaged in quote, criminal conduct and it was not investigated in the u. k. but for whatever reason, no government statement was made about this,

but curiously, in the u. s. and other committee senatorial committee got interested in that howard come, that a bank is find such a massive amount. this was in 2012 and but not really prosecuted. and they then mounted an investigation and published the report. that report contained a letter from the uke. you came chancellor together with the e mails and letters from the nuclear regulatory authorities and the bank of england urging the americans to go easy on hsbc. it was too big too high or too big to regulate. and that is not the only example that we use is it is u. k. the most corrupt we had the bank of credit and commerce international which was shut down in 1991. it was the world's biggest banking fraud in the 20th century. to this day they had been though investigation an i a 45 and a half year legal battle with the u. k. government to get hold of one secret

document. this is under the freedom of information and that document showed that the bank was looted by operatives of al qaeda. saudi intelligence. there was smugglers, there were a gun runners, you name it, but the u. k. government has hushed up the whole thing and we have to remember that al qaeda and taliban themselves are funded and, and by the west of the authorities that were trained by western r is that there has been absolutely no accountability. and this particular bank, banks collapse was never really investigated. so one has to conclude that the government is nurturing these kind of darker practices, which is not helpful to the people. well, look, pepsi good. thank you. obviously you have parliamentary privilege. we don't have it here. all those banks deny any are wrong doing in the main and oversee. so does the

financial calling you to regulate it? you're most welcome to look at marco elementary speeches and publicly available evidence, which is cited in those speeches to decide or, you know, what do you want to accept? labrenz's got thank you. after the break counter extremism or counter democracy, does the government war on terror prevents the very freedoms? it aims to protect policy more coming up in part 2 of going underground. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it creve even foundation, let it be an arms race is on offense, very dramatic development, only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time time to sit down and talk with

welcome back. as nato nations grow alarmed by the influx of refugees from defeat in afghanistan, we see another optic in mass surveillance to cast thomas labor parties already talking about utilizing video doorbell systems and the johnson government has been slammed for interfering in schools. joining me now from here in london is dr. rob for walker, who has experienced the u. case, prevent counter terrorism program 1st hand, and is now written the emergence of extremism exposing the violent discourse of language of radicalization. congratulations on the book. welcome a rob to the show you written about the emergence of extremism in inverted commas. in this book, you were a school teacher. so you had 1st hand experience of this prevent strategy supported by the labor and tory parties over the years. and how did it help inspire you perhaps to write this book?

well yeah i, oh, thanks very much. i was, i was teaching the same teaching in a lot. i mean it's so sore i was working and became a rent strategy in around 2015 and it seems immediately it seems the problematic that we were being greased on how to identify young children as potential future terrorists. i mean, seem madness to me or what i mean. so i was teaching the secondary school, but we don't examples of, you know, children and children, even events, you know, sort of 56, i'm year olds. and it's just as a man, this is based based on the idea that some people's political views might act as a, as a, a useful for predict detracts violence. which is got the logic of how democracy

works the wrong way around this. isn't it logic in a democracy? it's enabling express views that might be outside of the norm. that means they don't have to resort. so i've been writing about rent in very place early all that by preventing people from speaking out. eric used to, i was my, my screen there actually making less provides more and not less. right. so the whole strategy, especially as productive so i subsequently the questions i have the most recent research and i've been looking for a few years now here you say in the book it not only undermines our democracy by labeling some people extremists, but it also silencing them and into doing, denying them the opportunity to participate in debate. i mean, we were hearing that the taliban revolt, the checking has are a boy's mobile phones a photo galleries e mails. that's the kind of idea. it's comparable that. i mean, this is it's, it's

a totally not. and it's not really surprising. prevent mike strategies encountered streamers, which was invented by the u. k. in the u. s. alliance has been laptop, i suppose it regimes around glow. i mean, you can see that the office in recent years for b a, b, i would encounter extremism training with the indian governments. i mean, the treatments of medicines and india may also know that the streaming along the need for you, of course, is where given cancer streams in training. so the chinese states in advance or be a weakness and we received this in a wholesale refreshing muslims going on around. well, i met late a situation that has, i mean, i, the war and sarah mentioned on hopefully find you this person

a waste of time. dangerous waste of time, costing millions of lives needlessly and is made to wells a less safe place and rent strategies. ultimately, the domestic front of the war on terror and a chinese indian government was, he denied any wrong doing as well as that people can watch our interview about the week is now, you know, in 2019 the home of his home of his work was that prevent, is a vital part of our counterterrorism work, which safeguards vulnerable people from being drawn into terrorism since 2012. that's, that's the british government safeguarding, you know, having been a teacher is say going is, is absolutely primary for teacher and what rent a new layer of surveillance into that relationship rent is one of the only areas that i huddle or repeatedly encounter professionals who claims for children and be

interviewed by the police without that parents being all about it. so there is, this is, there is nothing to do with this. so it's about safeguarding the states from detention and tara, and as i say, the idea that it is a useful way of tracking. it is ridiculous. and i, i personally have had situations where before prevents existed. you would have on occasion young was then, was a man was that all of us boys had told me is that a teacher about aspirations, for example, travels out and start medicaid also. and in every situation, they told me i discovered that the people who are the ones like me as well. and they learned that they can right there. and you stated, engage in democracy now become a democratic citizen. i situations none of a children ever travel, evidently, just because i was able to act as a teacher as

a date with the states to help them become democratic citizens with prevention based based children. and i had chosen told me that they wouldn't have those conversations to teacher because they know that the teacher would be a blind, but least i prevents. and it's no coincidence. it was introduced in the school. the next those schools where i was teaching the 3 goals, including a tragic a child. again, that was in my experience, i was creeper, may well have conversations about spreadsheet with teachers or stations about the frustration policy, which children are now no. thank you. say i'm quite right on the stations because it's like you but it results are and at least i mean, not me. and i do. yeah, actually in veg him who human rights advocate say has been denied her citizenship. i think the interesting thing about your book of taking it away from islam ism for

a 2nd. then we talk a lot in this program to learn this kind of radicalization to britain itself because historically promoted islam ism, obviously in afghanistan, under the beginning. you talk about how we're the 1st time the phrase extremism was used in parliament on the 2nd of august, 1919 and it was about miners and railway men. this is about class, as well as it is anything to do about the war interior. you seem to be suggesting, well, for, there's been a historically, there's been a very, there is a big shift after the 77 bombings in 2005 on the west turn. last started using extremism to describe the bombers, which represents a dramatic shift in the british left. because before that's all the instances which are very rare, in fact, you can read all of them within one city. but all of the instances stream isn't being used in parliament are used by the left to describe the hard left. so you

will get labor and he's will say say to a tory m p. so say you need to watch out a crescent policies. you're asking because in response to that, it will be arise and extremism that's talking about the whole left and communist. he's in the early 20th century, which will result in more, less for him. and he's, and this is an interesting thing for me because what it shows is that the left wing politicians, labor politicians, did not want power. they want to political change. and so the interesting thing now and again under kissed on glerison is this idea of us that of centrist policy actually moves it totally away from its roots. the lay possibly was set up as an opposition party to demand change. and so if i use the why, the last talk about the struggle because they are, it's an ongoing struggle against against power and against literacy. and when you

get so much time, you blast my case on aspiring to be in power in a 2 party system like we have in the u. k, that's totally ruins what i called an entry calculus. we no longer have any balancing powers within poland because he got to groups of people, the tories and labor, both by and for power, which means you actually get no one representing people's interests. and what they do represent you mentioned the ticket sharma is associated with the trilateral commission and something about that. the great us historian and dramatists and right and go values to talk about in his later years. what is the trilateral commission? the ticket number is associated with it, so it's quite extraordinary. but really like you will be a member of the trilateral commission was formed after the 2nd world war and its try lateral because it is representative of business leaders from japan, your north america. and they infinistar nearly seventies roy, say

a book called the crisis of democracy. and the crisis of democracy they describe is that students are starting to pro, set to protest and demand change. feminist women are demands in political representation around the world. workers are demanding representation within, within parliament. and they see this is a crisis. the crisis for them is that there is too much democracy, that people are getting involved in critical decisions. and they actually in the, in the crisis they, they rice out describe the project of how they're going to pose discipline and sacrifice on super on to post war deletions. and so if you look at the current membership trust mission, these are it's full of elitist business leaders. incredibly rich people and represent the business which extraordinarily well,

i don't think it is nice for me or mary here, storm of leisure lane party is a member of i didn't get to a concert or to suggest that kissed arm who, who funded his campaign to come later, with a number of small donations that were small and below the threshold, have to declare who in here exactly made by the nations. i don't think it is too much of a stretch imagination to say suggest an organization like the trilateral mission of multiple different business leaders would be a good place to start organizing such a campaign. in fact, i didn't think it is representative of label values, asshole. he's been put in place by this organization, which is absolutely designed to undermine the labor movement. and they've, they've written in the, in that treaty. well, he's been put in there by a lot of members as well. we're right here on the never. that was, you want to come on even i met him on a b, b c program,

but he does seem to want to come on. do you really do put into context in this book, how anti capitalist literature has been there, even surveilled by the state in recent years, what we see the climate activists complaining that they are being under this surveillance state? the obvious, vital question is, how can we and they debate and converse in the public arena, knowing that the kinds of surveillance you outlined in the book is a full spectrum across the range. and, you know, people's children, as you say, are coming up against it. yeah, i mean it's, it's incredibly worrying really, but we are, i mean, i'm sure you and your thoughts about the, the way that the lease and you find prevents people every math lesson views and, and yeah, the level of surveillance teachers and docs is informing on people's

movements, and we'll say now, you know, there is also, you know, electronic surveillance, which is a, you know, carry, my gosh, i mean, everywhere they go. it's very difficult to imagine how people can exist politically within such a climate. but i think, i think what we have to do is we have to do now we have the ultimate leader, the power only exists in the sense which i don't care for a walker. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday when poll leading british prime minister bars johnson takes to the stage because everybody conference has millions receive welfare customers and energy crisis that could further squeeze the poor families in one of the richest countries in the world until then, keep in touch with social media and let us know if you're worried about your children being targeted by via my 5. prevent.

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