ah, i ah, [000:00:00;00] with i'm african residency, we're going underground. digging up the stories buried by the so called mainstream media coming up in the show. hot on the heels of an anti jeremy corbin labor leaders, conference comes boris johnson's conservative party conference. this week. the tories, a leading and polls just white, an energy crisis, one of the highest per capita, deaf tor covered responses and welfare got to the poorest. we follow the money and 24 hours ahead of lawrence johnson's defense secretary speech at the tory conference and following defeat in afghanistan is the u. k. importing taliban style

attacks on freedom to impose british government values. all of them all coming up in today's going underground. at 1st, it's political conference season here in britain, but as morris johnson writers speech for this week, brittany seemingly facing crisis after crisis the army brought in to solve the car fuel crisis, energy companies going bankrupt, allegedly on trustworthy transport. companies having to be brought back into public ownership and johnson having to subsidize a c o 2 company to keep beer flowing. who better to follow the money with the north, prem sicker arch critic of structures of financial regulation here in britain. thank you so much for coming back on after so long. we have 14, the half 1000000 here in poverty, including $4300000.00 children, a labor leader. they require the leader, you turning on minimum wage deregulation boss johnson cutting 20 pounds a week from britain's a 6000000 poorest as it conjures cruelty by stammer and johnson, or is it incompetence? well, hello sir. nice to be on your program. i. i think it,

there are structural problems in the whole of the you k economy which neither parties are willing to address. and what we are witnessing in terms of fuel shield is food you to do is homelessness, cuts in universal credit. that is basically how neoliberalism is playing out. it is really about enriching the rich and not really doing much for the masses. and i mean, i know you written a bit about this. i mean say just the health care system here, the envy of the world. it used to be the national health service. here. is it by stealth, there. privatizing it? and is it working this idea that you can cream people off into the private sector? now as the n h s seems to be failing for some in this country? well, i think it is privatization mostella and also deliberately, you know, when the conservative government came to office in 2010,

the waiting list was about 2.42.5000000 in england. it is already about high point, $6000000.00 and the forecast is going to it possibly $13000000.00 by the end of next year. and the main reason for that is lack of investment. britain is unable even to trade a sufficient doctors. and we've been doing what we have done for a long, long time. that is really poach people from other countries, deprived them of their skill labor. and the trick is not working at the moment because a lot of the migrants have left. so basically, the government should have had the facilities to train healthcare workers, but it does not have that in place. and it's not something you can come to europe overnight because the priority has been the government to provide tax cuts to corporations and the rich. and now older people are really just paying the price of here. what did you think of it when boys johnson,

apparently in new york for the un general assembly met up with jeff bezos and said it's up to companies like amazon to pay their tax. how are suppose that he might as well say the bucket and the rear l. the station and they're going to pay your taxes please. before you leave, the country, companies are not going to want to voluntarily pay taxes. we need to have a well resource tax authority, and certainly hardly any actions been taken against the tax avoidance industry. i've been an avid or what the big 4 accounting firms, the center of the global tax avoidance industry do that. can you imagine you and i getting a court judgment and court says you're done something a lawful. somebody will defend upon you there will find you there will shut down some businesses for that. that just does not happen to the ex avoidance industry at all. no, really surprising up to a point because there are many members of parliament who are on the payroll of

these firms. and the former senior politicians have work or are currently working for these big accounting firms or so. so there is a real crisis about what you know, what is happening in our society. on paper we are told we have a government off the people for the people. and it does not really appear to be for the people. it is only for the rich and john corporations. when you mentioned the audit companies, when the actual, the violations that have been discovered in fan is, and i know you written about it. one company grant thornton was fine, 2340000 pounds on, on what 471000000, the income over auditing, the big auditors are also part of the systemic problem. well, they're the same homes, really they and delivering that all this for nearly a century. nothing happens over the range. you know,

there is any changes to collapse or lehman brothers. and when we had to close our libraries for austerity to bail out, all these banks, no change in auditing since the bailouts. there is no 100 mental change. they have been tinkering around at the edges. that has not really done anything. the government could discipline them by saying, look, we won't give you any taxpayer sponsored contracts. these homes had no experience in dealing with a pandemic. shouldn't they got coded contracts running it to 100 and millions of pounds? and that is, in a sense, the real fundamental problem in this country that there are certain groups on the elite who have benefited from government policies. others have not our wages, you know, look at the workers, wages are basically been stagnant for the next decade. meanwhile, the energy bills, the food bills, transport bills are rising and old, repeat the law struggling. as you said earlier, 14 and

a half 1000000 people live below the poverty line. and there is no discernible government plan to, to deal with that. and when, when, when you listen to the labor policies are announced to the conference this week, there isn't much happening there either. we heard how the labor leader was opposed to 50 pound per hour minimum wage. lee, alyssa, put that in perspective, even if somebody gets 15 pounds there will be paying 20 percent of that in the basic income tax on top of the other is 12 percent in national insurance on top of that. and other 1.25 percentage point recently announced the increase in the health and kel, every while that doesn't really leave anybody very much to deal with the massive increase in food prices and energy prices are anything else. and then what boris

johnson has avoided, an ikea farmer has a road. it is a key word. the key word is really distribution. there is no real distribution going on. and that is a staggering in this country that even people in poll time jobs can't come in to look after their families that don't have enough resources to pay for their housing food and anything else. that is really unacceptable. we need massive redistribution, but no political party is willing to take that all. is that because, and they'll certainly be stands for a private equity companies at the conservative body conference. this week, let alone closer ties between kids as labor party in the city of london. is that because of revolving door between the very financial services, a institutions and the democratically elected parties. well, the revolving doors is one aspect. the other is

a lot of the media itself is controlled by the very interests who want these kind of privileges. we really need a fundamental constitutional reform. for example, we need to need to deal with whether the members of parliament should really be consultants to corporate and trust. many are still on the books of corporations, of the basically do their master's bidding in parliament, and that is unacceptable for them. every one of them, when i, they do that, that's just a helpful donations and they kind of, you know, they can pursue 46 percent rising, your sales by the way, the richer are doing that bad. the one of the more astonishing figures that you mean quoting. it seems in opposition to what we hear from the media. you speak of that the financial services industry somehow helps the exchequer, the u. k. economy. you quote some with a 4.5 trillion pounds. in

a negative contribution to the u. k. economy between 19972015. so all those tall buildings in the city of london is that a negative impact on the economy during that period? well that, that is right. that is, i'm quoting research conducted at the university of sheffield by distinguished academics. so she look at, we bailed out the banks. for example. the city of london is at the forefront of a tax avoidance industry, money laundering industry. many of our graduates end up working in the finance industry instead of say, going to other industries which are far more productive. i love the city of london is basically simply gambling by taking all these things into account. the academic colleagues, cheko university came up with that estimate that estimate has not been denied by the government. indeed, i have cited that in debates of the house of lords, challenger ministers,

the denied you look at the other countries that finance industry too. but it is not so dominant, i'm not against the finance industry, but what i am again says on unrestrained speculation and gambling was we have, we have a financial conduct authority here is a regulator. and in the house of lords, you your demanding an investigation into the regulator itself. i mean, is london the most corrupt place on earth? well, our regulators are pretty ineffective. i mean, i cited the example of her hsbc in the house of lords. hsbc was find at $1900000000.00 in the us for money laundering. admitted that in writing that had been engaged in, quote, criminal conduct. and it was not investigated in the u. k,

that for whatever reason, no government statement was made about this. but curiously, in the u. s. and other committee senatorial committee got interested in that. how had come that a bank is find such a massive amount. this was in 2012 and but not really prosecuted. and they then mounted an investigation and published a report that report contains a letter from the u. u. k. chancellor. together with the e mails and letters from the nuclear regulatory authorities and the bank of england urging the americans to go easy on hsbc. it was too big too high or too big to regulate. and that is not the only example we use is it is u k. the most corrupt we have a bank of credit and commerce international which was shut down in 1991. it was the world's biggest banking fraud in the 20th century. to this day,

there'll be no investigation, and i am 45 and a half year legal battle with the u. k. government to get hold of one secret document. this is under the freedom of information. and that document showed that the bank was looted by operatives of al qaeda. saudi intelligence, there was smugglers, there were a gun runners, you name it, but the u. k. government has hushed up the whole thing. and we have to remember that al qaeda and taliban themselves are funded and, and by the western authorities that were trained by western there's been absolutely no accountability. and this particular bank, banks collapse was never really investigated. so one has to conclude that the government is nurturing these kind of darker practices, which is not helpful to the people. well, lord pepsi. thank you. obviously you had parliamentary privilege. we don't have it

here. all those banks deny any are wrong doing in the main and obviously, so it is the financial goal that he regulated you're, you're, you're most welcome to look at marco elementary speeches publicly available evidence which is cited in those speeches to decide, oh, you know, what do you want to accept labrems again, thank you. after the break counter extremism will come to democracy is the government's war on terror, prevents the very freedoms. it aims to protect all of them, all coming up with what you have going on the ground. ah ah, maximizes financial survival guide. daisy, let's learn about fill out. let's say i'm

a show i get any grades from grief on the site. 135. thank you for helping ah, enjoy that right. fell out it slavery. mm. welcome back. as nato nations grow alarmed by the influx of refugees from defeat in afghanistan, we see another optic in mass surveillance to care. com as labor parties already talking about utilizing video doorbell systems and the johnson government has been slammed for interfering in schools. joining me now from here in london is dr. rob for walker, who has experienced the u. case, prevent counter terrorism program 1st hand, and is now written the emergence of extremism exposing the violent discourse language of radicalization. congratulations on the book. welcome rob to the show. you written about the emergence of extremism in inverted commas. in this book, you were

a school teacher. so you had 1st hand experience of this prevent strategy supported by the labor and tory parties over the years. and how did it help inspire you perhaps to write this book? well yeah, thanks very much. i was, i was teaching is the same with teaching in a lot. i mean, so, but so where i was working and became a rent strategy in around 2015 and it seems immediately, it seems the problematic. we were being briefed on how to identify i young children as essential future terrorists. i mean, it seems, seem madness to me. and i'm, well, i mean, so i was teaching as a 2nd. we go those mince examples of, you know, children and children, even us by prevents, you know, 6 or 56,

i'm year olds. and it's just as madness it based based on the idea that sort of people's political views. my act as a, as a, as a useful for predicting detracts and violence which is got the logic of how a democracy was totally the wrong way around. this isn't logic in a democracy, it's enabling people's express views that might be outside of the norm. that means they don't have to resort to. so i've been writing about a all that by preventing people from speaking out. you know, eric used, i was my mike screen. they're actually making political lines more and not less likely. so the whole strategy, especially counterproductive. so i'm certainly, you know, the questions. i have the most recent research and i've been looking for a few years now. here you say in the book, it not only undermines our democracy by labeling some people extremists, but it also silencing them and into doing,

denying them the opportunity to participate in debate. i mean, we were hearing that the taliban report or the checking has our boys mobile phones a photo galleries, e mails that, that kind of a th comparable that, that. i mean it's, it's, it's, it's totally just like, you know, and it's not really surprising. prevent mike strategies encountered streamers, which was invented by the u. k. in the u. s. alliance has been laptop, i suppose it regimes around glow. i mean, you can see that the office in recent years for b. b, i would encounter extremism training with the indian governments. i mean, the treatments are medicines and, and yet they all say that the streaming along the are you able to force is where given cancer streams in training. so the chinese states in advance of the person, it happens a weakness, and we received this in

a wholesale refreshing muslims going on around. well, i was in that late a situation that has, i mean, i, the war and sarah mentioned on hopefully find you this close in a waste time, dangerous way, some time costing millions of lives needlessly in the is made to wells a less safe place. and this and strategies ultimately the domestic front of the war on terror and a chinese indian government was, he denied any wrong doing as we was that people can watch our interview about the week is now, you know, in 2019 the home of his home, of his work was that prevent is a vital part of our counter terrorism work, which safeguards vulnerable people from being drawn into terrorism since 2012. that's, that's the british government safeguarding, you know, having been a teacher in years, said going is, is absolutely primary for teacher. what rent

a new layer of surveillance into that relationship? rent is one of the only areas that i huddle or repeatedly encounter professionals who claims for children and be interviewed by the police. without that parents stay informed about it. so there is, this is, there is nothing to do with it. so it's about safeguarding the states from detention to terra. and as i say, the idea is a useful way of tracking or is, is ridiculous. and i, i personally have had situations where before events existed, you would have on occasion, young was then was, and then also all of us boys had told me, is that a teacher about aspirations, for example, and start that also. and in every situation, they told me i discovered a,

me as well. they learned that they can write to engage in democracy now become a democrat. i mean, i situations, none of those children ever travel matter, evidently, just designs aids. as a teacher, as a great space to help them become democratic citizens with prevention based. but he's chosen and i had chosen told me that they wouldn't have a conversation teacher because they know the teacher would be obliged lease or prevents. and it's no coincidence. see, not to rent was introduce him as to the next those goals where i was teaching the 3 goals, including she made a child again, that was in my experience a paper and may well have conversations about their expressions with teachers that are on stations, about frustration policy which children are now not going to say,

i'm quite right on the stations because it's like either the results or, and at least i mean, not me. and i do actually vague him who human rights advocate say it's been denied her citizenship. i think the interesting thing about your book of taking it away from islam ism for a 2nd. then we talk a lot in this program a to learn this kind of radicalization to britain itself because historically promoted is lism, obviously in afghanistan, under the beginning. you talk about how we're the 1st time the phrase extremism was used in parliament on the 2nd of august, 919 and it was about miners and railway men. this is about class as well as it is anything to do about the war. in terra, you seem to be suggesting, well, for, there's been a historically, this been a very, there was a big shift after the 77 bombings in 2005 on the west turn. you blast us using extremism to describe the act of almost which represents

a dramatic shift in the british left. because before that's all the instances which are very rare, and you can read all of them within one city. but all of the instances stream isn't being used in parliament, are used by the left to describe the hard left. so you will get labor and he's will say, say to a tory, i'm people say you need to watch out a press. the policies that you're asking because in response to that, it will be arise and extremism that's looking at the whole left and communist in the 20th century, which will result in more left for him. and he's, and this is an interesting thing for me because what it shows is that the left wing politicians, labor politicians, did not want power. they want to political change. and so the interesting thing now and again under caste armor is bring back lara's, is this idea versus interest policy actually moves it totally away from its roots.

the leg possibly was set up as an opposition party to demand change. and so if i knew why the last talk about the struggle is they are, it's an ongoing struggle against against power. and again, so clarity. and when you get so much, i mean last, my kids are aspiring to be in power in a 2 party system like we have in the u. k. that's totally ruins what i called alimentary calculus. we no longer have any balance and powers within parliament because you got to groups of people, the tories and labor both by and for power, which means you actually get no one representing people's interests. and what they do represent you mentioned the ticket sharma is associated with the trilateral commission and something about that. the great us historian and dramatists and rights and go values to talk about in his later years. what is the trilateral commission that the kids stammers associated with it? so it's quite extraordinary, but really like you will be

a member of the machine. the trilateral commission was formed after the 2nd world war and its try lateral because it is representative of business leaders from japan, your north america. and they, infamously, in the early seventies roy, say a book called the crisis of democracy. and the crisis of democracy they describe is that students are starting to pro, set to protest and demand change. feminist women are demands in clinical representation around the world. workers on demanding representation within, within parliament. and they see this is a crisis. the crisis for them is that there is too much democracy, that people are getting involved in political decisions. and they actually in the crisis they, they rice out describe the projects of how they're going to host discipline and sacrifice on to, on to post war relations. and so if you look at the current membership mission,

these are it's full of elitist business leaders, incredibly rich people and reference to the business which extraordinarily well, i don't think it is nice for me to sort of, mary. here some of the leisure lane party is a member of i don't think it's to a concert or to suggest that kissed armor. who you funded is campaigned come later with a number of small donations that were small and below the threshold. have to declare who in here exactly made raise the nations. i didn't get too much of a stretch imagination to suggest an organization like the trilateral mission of multiple different business leaders would be a good place to start organizing such a campaign. certain facts, i didn't think it on that is representative of label asshole. he's been put in place by this organization which is actively designed to undermine the labor

movement and they've, they've written in that treaty. well, it is being put in there by a lot of members as well. we're right to get stronger on the never that if you want to come on, even i met him on a b b. c program, but he does seem to want to come on. do you really do put into context in this book, how anti capitalist literature has been there even surveilled by the state in recent years? obviously, the climate activists complaining that they are being under this surveillance state . the obvious vital question is how can we and may debate and converse in the public arena, knowing that the kinds of surveillance you outlined in the book is a full spectrum across the range. and you know, people's children, as you say, a coming up against it. yeah, i mean it's, it's incredibly worrying really. we are, i mean, i'm sure you, you on your,

i'm sort of the way that the lease and i'm trying prevents people every math, less views and, and yeah, the level of surveillance teachers and docs is informing on people's movements. and we'll say now, you know, there is also, you know, electronic surveillance, which is a, you know, carrying michael, i, it's very difficult to imagine how people can exist politically within such a climate. but i think, i think what we have to do is we have to, as i'm told you now, we have the ultimate leader, the power exists in extent, which is on the road for a walker. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday when po leading british prime minister morris johnson takes to the stage. the conservative body conference has millions receive welfare, consummate, and energy crisis. that could further squeeze the poor families in one of the

richest countries in the world until then keep in touch with social media and let us know if you're worried about your children being targeted by via my 5 prevent. ah ah ah ah ah, [000:00:00;00] ah oh,

what he's got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be in arms. race is on often very dramatic and development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very critical of time, time to sit down and talk with that owns and arthur desire hidden treasures, the secret financial feelings of hundreds of the world's richest and most powerful people. a refill and the biggest step lead counsel, sure data. united states itself emerging in leading tax haven also to come with an energy crisis leading over europe and skyrocketing gas prices. the member states point the finger of blame at brussels, green politics and don't say russia and we can minutes, free is now being deployed across the country to helping the fuel crisis that many people for station,