of the big oligarchy. so silicon valley, billionaires who do use tax avoidance as a matter of course, well, and we're more in the fortunate position. he's saying that some of those names are in the pandora papers. we have the names of more than a 100 billionaires from and scores of countries. and we also have the names of more than $330.00 alterations and higher level public officials from scores of countries . so the pen or paper is have shown for a profound way in an unprecedented way, the entanglement of power and uber wealth with the offshore world. well, let's get to the politicians in a 2nd, but i mean, are you going to make this database really available to be searched like wiki leaks or because i can't seem to be able to get a link at the moment. so the i, j has as a database called the offshore leaks database in which is the public. anybody can access information about our past projects. some information from this,

the pandora. this will be produced in the offshore leaks database. we don't produce at all because firstly, because as to launch, it's $12000000.00 documents, but also because we only publish in the public interest. and so the names that will appear in the offshore the database has those that are public interest, right? so it's redacted in some way, because obviously some of the billionaires that people might know of jeff as well. so i don't know, just thinking over random they, they haven't been revealed in the band or a baby at all. i can tell you that jeff s c is not in there. we look tart, he doesn't, he doesn't feature. but no. the reason we, we, we don't to republish everything is because there are legitimate reasons for using the offshore world. what we try to focus on is secrecy, and my secrecy is a problem. and what we know from past projects and from this one is secrecy is a massive problem when it comes to politicians. secrecy is a man,

part up problem when it comes to oligarchy. okay, but how is it different then from the paradise papers in the panama papers? it's very good question and i think the significant differences are the 2. the 1st one is the number of politicians. so it's fast, it's $300.00 more than $330.00. and as more than an $35.00 world leaders and they are only the ones we have found, it's really difficult to find them so that because the, the, the system is so opaque and the documents themselves are. so our covert that it's hard. so that's the 1st one said system, it shows the political and global political in town, entanglement the offshore, which is huge. and the 2nd one, which is really significant, is it shows the involvement of the u. s. in the offshore world as an ever before. yeah, biden's, home, state of delaware, south dakota, who would, who would have thought, let's get on devoris. johnson says the speaking at this conference in register today, i should say i raised a, some of the names that you reveal here on a,

on the b, b. c. question time program. how much a russian money is sloshing around the conservative body. say in the document and that, that the majority of the, the largest number of people in the documents are russian. a came as a particular reason why they're russian. one of the reasons is that trying to get the money out of the country because they're concerned about vladimir putin and his regimes. but what it shows at the same time is a lot of this money is ending up in london. and some of it is ending up in from middle a man's inventory party coffers. and so the question lab raises, it's weird that the money that goes to detroit arctic come from. and this is the question that the baby see and yourself are raising. now, you say afraid of vladimir putin, i presume you mean like people like her. what to new kin who is wanted in russia

and these people are wanted on charges of corruption back in russia, yet they come over here apparently, and well, well, they admit no wrong doing. then bank rule. i mean the names are dominant. grab richie soon. ag burrows, johnson, these people have benefited from money that can be extrapolated back to, well, as was the russian government might say stolen. who knows? so well with a prominent secrecy, it's a serious problem for politics, for world. so in the same way that russian money ends up in the u. k, venezuelan money ends up in spain. and the money from venezuela has clearly been misappropriated because it's in hundreds of millions and it ends up in spain and the crisis and, and this in, in, in the u. k. some of the biggest party donna's for the tory parties for the tory party are russians, and some of those have, gosh,

are questions hanging over and, but it's, this is a matter for your tower. she is in u. k. to investigate and it's a matter for the british citizens to ask is appropriate for people who are, are from another country, frankly, to, to finance your politics. well, the british citizens, if you are, you know, you can be done for racism for that venezuelan president, maduro. and he has a problem with the bank of england, her apparently stealing venezuelan golden certainly once the money that has been exploded abroad. you know, that while the european union responded quickly to the release of these papers, or as johnson said, all these donations are vetted in the normal way in accordance with rules, the was set up under labor government. so we've at them the whole time she selected say h m r c will probe the information that your question is, who is batting the offshore? we're out. and the answer is hardly anyone. so what we know about the offshore

world is that it is growing. busy exponentially in bows, trillions of dollars shifting any shadow economy that you and i are not party to that. most of your viewers hang on archie too. and it involves the richest, the most powerful, and some of the most corrupt on the planet in, in boards, fraudsters, pedophile, murderers. it involves some of the most julius people on the planet. and we know this because we've seen them in our documents facing people that have been involved in the biggest ponzi schemes in history. we have seen people that are involved in v i t scans. and this is the problem to when boris johnson says that we are very whoever to his donation to them. that may be the case. but who is very he the trillions of dollars that are in the shadow economy. trillions of dollars that are shifting spirited from place this place and then go from london to, to buy from, to buy to belize. this is the issue that is, or us johnson needs to address. well,

what have you thought about these rebuttals from the, the, the russians as, as they are always eob russians that the, some of whom are wonderful questioning in, in russia. what did you make of their rebuttal saying, all of this is above a board. and you know, the terror, they're there, british citizens, just like everyone else giving money to a party. they support, we know from past investigations, we know from the current investigation that some of the russians in the documents, not all of the russians, because there are very many been, but some of them are questionable characters. there is no danger pages they wanted for prosecute. they what be this, is this, some of them are accused, some of them are convicted, some of them are fugitives. i don't want it. i'm not trying to dance around. there is no danger. danger that some of the russians in the documents are people that

ought not be at welcomed to donation to political projects. i mean, i think when you get it, do you think we can extrapolate and say the, given that some of these people are enemies of putin or as johnson's and he, russia, policies may have been the result of these donations to the conservative party. that's why the conservative body has been keen to support the russia gate, conspiracies in the united states and all manner of conspiracy theories about russia, lexus, so we can, we control cares bad russian money, money leaving russia. there's reasons for some of the reasons i go with them. people are moving their money because they're afraid of vladimir putin or their hide of other things. and they're afraid of organized crime in russia a little bit why they do they did it, did boards job, why? but i think, i think it's fairly obvious for their genetic devoris, johnson, they're donating ours johnson so to cement their position in favourably,

in the eyes of the u. k. government. because they are on the run from russia many times. and just very briefly on zalinski, the nato back ukrainian, i mean, surely understandable that as a comedian, an actor before he became leader of you great. that he'd have a film company based in an offshore area. and that's what a lot of film people do, isn't it? yeah, i'm in fact, quite a reasonable assumption. i've done data, but the question is, what is the some company been used for? so this is that the offshore warranty cannot believe your own eyes because it's film company doesn't mean it makes films because it's a baked bean company doesn't make it named. mean it makes beings a problem with the old world use. it's completely secret if you do not know what it's up to more comedy. but you don't see how that lee could be used, say by vladimir putin and russians who are against his country and to say you seize, groped, or you know, an action meddling for the rashness. weird happening on action meddling for anyone

. we're at publishing in the public interest as well. busy you know, so i guess you, i'll stop you there. more in the pandora papers from the managing editor of the i, c i, j after this break. ah, both, these are the 4 people who pull the trigger and survive something and survival. one another harness, things that i had to face was not having a face at a low expectation. a life i accepted the accept. the fact that i made that it's where we had no fears. dell change pre fashion for shots,

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ah, welcome back. i'm still here talking about one of the reputed biggest ever off shore data leaks the pandora papers with icy i. j managing editor, fergus. she'll, cherie, blair. why for over alleged all criminal tony blair has been on this show. in fact, we went to the offices that i think are ownership of which is involved in the band or a papers. tell me what you found about the bless. so they bought a property in london, true an offshore company, and true purchasing true the offshore a company and they were able to reduce the tax they had to pay on the property. so the question there is for when tongue, you know, tony blair is an advocate for at global equality. and the question is, why did tony blair and his wife do this? why did they do it when they knew that it was going to reduce their tax?

but they argue that they did so because they wanted to bring the property back into the u. k. tax sphere. but, you know, once again, it's 8 the issue in secrecy or it happens to be secret, as you know, have the bless spokesman said we were aware the land tax is not able to respect to the purchase of shares. and that the seller requested to structure the transaction . at this way, i think to re blair's people said they didn't want ownership of a opaque british virgin island company. i mean, the, you know, for your viewers, you, for your viewers, here's the thing. you go to work, you pay your tax, you buy a house, you're paying your tax for the global, a lease. that is not the case. it's that there's a whole parallel economy, a whole shadow economy that privileges, the wealthiest, that privilege is the politically connected and their privileges, the powerful and some of those powerful are corrupt and will, and a lot of them,

according to your papers, allegedly have been the lebanon i mean, there been flight this week where israeli war plains, israel, arm by britain of the united states, sir lebanon, being used as a key area for blades to bomb syria. your rebel revelations about lebanon. how have they gone down with the people of liberal entry with her 80 percent one estimate of her people in poverty at the moment? premise to mccarty, lebanon, as a task trophy, you know, it is a absolute catastrophe. there are people there who can't feed themselves. people who can't turn on the lights, people who don't have lifeline to connect to the world, don't have tv anymore. people here are literally cooking on, on coals because the economy has collapsed. and at the same time, we are witnessing is hundreds of millions of dollars shifting ad, lebanon, true seekers. true the secret offshore world. and amongst those and then our

political key political figures and also the central bank governor to 11 on is a case study, hawaii, the all show world is a travesty for equity, a travesty for poverty, a travesty for anti corruption exercise. you don't think that we are the un, which were up with her and coercive measures because of the arithmetic, as he appeared to be. hang it, sanctions regime of major countries along the united states, against countries whose foreign policies they don't like. these sorts of tax havens offer a vital support line for humanitarian food, energy, and so on to countries not liked by nato countries. this is an argument that's put forward. busy many times and it does have some, some validity. it, it's, it's, it's essentially the holocaust argument, which ones that are natural and watching jewish people at need and,

and others for who are victims of the horror of the world war 2 had to moved their money to say what we're seeing here is not that what we're seeing is money, flea corrupt regimes, and the people that are fully averaged shifting money are often the ones alleged to be corrupt. so there are instances where people have to shift their money to avoid a repression. there are instances where people have to shift their money because the government at, in that particular country is awful. but i washington sanctions. but the question i know i, i understand i understand the bed sanctions, i understand that sanctions can cause additional property and that their arguments that sometimes they are for 1000000 dead in iraq because i've got to as he ones we've question and we can do justice to these are leagues given they had pakistan, india, jordan, chile. i mean it's just that the list goes on. i want,

i want that database. i think every journalist does, i've got to ask you just finely about the funding of isaiah j. obviously appear on media away. you get your money from yourself, or is he in the latest? pandora pays. no, he's not. but i, i believe that one ever funders was in the panama paper, suddenly revealed what does he think about you? he is in your offshore leaks database. what does he, what does he think about it? i mean, obviously he's associated very closely with powerful nato agencies. i, i am not kidding you. i do not show our funders. i've never met her from years. we are from there's have no involvement in the newsroom. i c, j, this is a tiny organization that needs funding. so if anyone like to donate to us, please do that. there's only about 40 of us out. we work across the world and we never ever hear from our foreigners,

not ones that have never met them. don't know them, don't even know that age. so we just do a big i don't think you'll be able to do a little short to exit kind of a focus. she'll thank you. well, ah, well one of the van dora papers, revelations had spain talking about alleged corruption involving former spanish king one call us the 1st madrid is not ceased and tried to capture cattle and leader and former president co reasonable for seeking a democratic referendum on catalonia independence. in the past 72 hours regional walked free from a sardinian court and joining me from saudi me and now is his lawyer, gonzalez. boy, thank you so much. gonzales for coming on. we had former president wisdom on the program in march since then in july, the european court of justice said that other member states may not have to arrest him under the european arrest warrant only spain all a bit confusing,

but they detained him inside india. and now he's free. what happened this week? the encourage of spain who has no competence on this case insisted in he said rest and she's extra mission just being a he activated the european ali system and these searching m funny say for us him, by the next day he was free. i'm waiting for for next or the sure hearing. it was quite clear that there was nothing to do with tradition because according to european law, she keeps his immunity. and also the things to discuss this case is to go ahead, but this case seems to go nowhere. but technically he's not, he doesn't have immunity. and now that this happened with the side in the police, does that not mean that they a, c, j, j, will have to reevaluate their, for their initial finding that, that doesn't necessarily mean it can be arrested anywhere he walks around in europe

. well, the nation judgement of the, of the european court, a 3rd of july was based on the wrong information given by, i mean, the bank misled the court saying that this disorder was not active, which was untrue. so, and that now the, the coordinator will have to reevaluate, as you say, and we will have a resolution within the next $1530.00 days because it's quite clear that they gave him the precautionary measures. they listed because there was no risk and the risk was existing better. sanchez, spanish prime minister says, why doesn't he just come back face the music in madrid. he's part 9 in prison, catalan's in june. why can't, for president bridge, the more just go back because you don't trust him. well, he doesn't trust him in, on the spanish judicial system. every time that person and put him on was summoned

by a european court. he appears in court as a matter of fact, he left at dinner last week and he came back on sunday to face this trial on monday . he has no problem with the marketing justice system. the portal is with just not acting as a democratic state. but as i said, betters and just pardoned imprisoned catalan's there. why do you not think he will be pardoned in spain if he goes to madrid as a matter of fact, to keep on the other, the other capital ambrey sinners because of the 5 that president put the money sustained in europe. other ways, without the activity of the child that would have never been a part of the new spain. and especially because it essentially has many good so many different positions toward the capital and conflict that who knows, which will be the next position. i mean, obviously this has repercussions here in britain because of scotland, morris johnson speaking in the conference today. he's on the record back in 2017

saying he was worried about violence. but the referendum that your client reasonable goals for is not constitutional. wanting not to be constitutional. i'm the one thing is to be a criminal offense. there are 2 different things and to be unconstitutional in spain is very easy because it's an all court with judge just that the are above everything in the idea that spain must remain as a one nation which is not spain, the set canter with many nations and they are not going to maxim the rights of the minorities, the national minorities, and this is why they have never made a referendum that like the one they made in the scotland or the one. but it will, it take place in scotland most brawling to and 2023. i mean, if the spain accept something late is that will be a major step out of the frank waste time into the more craddick time. so just to

put this in context, i don't know that island is slightly different, but because of what happened inside any of this week, it could mean nicholas sturgeon, after calling for a referendum on scottish independence, could travel around europe, but not to england. that's the kind of parallel. well, that's the kind of fall. i mean, the spanish delicious system on the spanish government. i not respecting the decisions of the european union. it is as simple as that mister, put them on is free. on in 26 out of the 27 european countries, if you want to make a united european system and our democratic system than the law should be equal in all countries and the spain is not prospecting, need that the institution or the need, the jurisprudence or the law of the european union, or does the level of dirty tricks against your client and you yourself, you're being, you're being prosecuted for money laundering. there are reports that you met with

the russian mafia boss according to the us treasury vasily crystal for over in february 2020 a lot of stuff in the press, in a donation media coming out about you personally. well, the last, the last few years they have been doing what's called a smear campaign. also they sold my office twice during the night when the camera is in function. also, i'm pretty sure that we have been on the political sky for the last 34 years, which is something that we will prove it very shortly. you mentioned one case, but i have been, i have been receiving accusation of all sorts of wrong doing an illegal activity last 3 years. and there is no a single week in the last 3 years where the media's are not certain media seems strange. i'm not talking about me, not even publishing pictures in a restaurant or whatever. i have no private life. i have no security, nothing. why?

because i am one of the closest person to put the money in the bank his lawyer. and they think that if they are back me, they have that mr. put them on we no, no, a parent be 30 anonymous. officials say the cia one did the kidnap julian assange from london. they would have gun battles in the streets of london. the plan is secret service. what do you think? could they kidnap your blind wisdom or and take him to face trial in spain? somebody as a day in agency, we don't know the secret service or the guardian of the lord nation police. they have been brooding tracking devices under the car and put them on. they have been using the, the applications by all of us. they have been following president bush demona, myself and the other colleagues all around europe. i'm in the spring is spending

a hell of a lot of money, public money, most of them european money in this accounting of president, put them on the can't be happy by the court decision. so i didn't hear this week. what sink is next? could they, could they, i mean, are you fearful of threats to your life or your client grow questionable. we are discussing what's going to be the next movement, and that will be there to more, again say all of us again, some of us screaming hess, and understand what hardly democratic rules and president put them on has nothing has done nothing that's not within a democratic parameters she has called for a referendum that referendum could being constitutional. most countries will say that it is in constitutional to call a referendum to recognize the rights of the national minorities. but according to article blunt 3 of the european treaty, the european union should protect the rights of the national minorities and he is

exercising that right. and the reaction of the spanish dig state is going to be fears. the spanish government obviously says it's not constitutional gonzalez, boy, thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show will be back on saturday when jovan johnson wrangler merkel. lads of israel to me. prime minister natalia bennett is germany continues exporting weapons used against palestinians until then he would justify all our social media and let us know if you have secret information off shore tax savings that should be revealed in the public interest. a the way of life of reindeer hedges, leading a traditionally nomadic lifestyle in the tundra is similar to a parallel reality. while the men

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