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a wizard of art. literally. he says on his books he says, writer and performer, have a full got me something i don't think so. somebody who is really rooted in the magic city of norm allen, the lens and gentlemen will be talking about life and it's larger, says all right, so on the start off was jerusalem and i suppose there is no universal way of reading that book, right? so for me, it's like an intelligent story and characters and john rose and i mean history that spread on that sheet of thousands of years. and for me, all of their bow decorations. and then there is north hampton. nice to meet. seems like it's the only real character in the book is that you? well, that is possibly true. the birth is certainly the foremost character in the book is

created. all of the other characters it created made it created. many of the real characters are in jerusalem, and most of them are real, always thing other than the obviously fantastical characters or the angels and the humans and all the rest of it. um, there are only 2 might of characters in the whole book of characters, lot tommy mangle, the cat, he was real of the, the little ghost girl who's got the a feather boa might have dead rabbits where she, real, she was real here in your life or interviewed her as an older lady, she was the mother of one of my good friends. i went round there and she told me all about how they used to collect rabbit skins, from the streets in the boroughs,

and then type them up to a place where they'd get perhaps a need for them. and she has got this bower around 2 rabbits that so, so no one could badge a span of all of the stories that they were all true. and they all grew of that area. so yes, the bureaus was the, the origin of the whole book. this was the place that both industry and free market capitalism, both started the junction of gas st and thomas right. oh, which was an extraordinary fact which i hadn't expected but which just did void the entire a total of the book in this was the 1st dark, satanic mill of william blight from william jerusalem. so that was lucky though, i managed to come across that fact before i would finish the book. otherwise the

total wouldn't have had any sense at all. so if we look at your previous work, it's always been to sort of a deep into nonfiction or cas of the world through pop. this book to ridgeland. you say yourself is your main legacy. what does this legacy tell us about the world we're living today? well, i hope the world we live in today is eternal. and that everything in it matters eternally our lawyers, martha, the, the, the last, the bus to taylor lloyd or the last don't turn in the gutter, is important because it is a part of this eternity. we all share that we all have our moment in i wanted to remove the fear of death

because all i believe that stops us from living. it's funny is thinking about eternity and you speak about about us that we shouldn't have this fear of death because it comes in a way of living life to it's fullest. because we know we all grew up with a doomsday clock notion that you actually yeah, yeah. and last i checked, it's even closer to midnight that a watch me to back then. it was the nuclear war threat. i don't know. was a closer to midnight now. i don't know if it's the global warming or artificial intelligence, especially intelligence is really a fact of it because of the political instability of the world. because of the environmental process. we've become obsessed with a big sky apocalypse is the the mushroom cloud going up, the complete environmental collapse because di, drama, toys some think,

which is the end of us is the end of the world, at least to us. everything ends or at least that is the way that we are conditioned to perceive loath and death. and so big sky apocalypse is that worry is i think that that is a why of prompts disliking are concerns about our own individual mortality. which i think overall this wanted to do with jerusalem was to give people alternative. there is a persistence illusion of transient. so the shows that we used to live on television anymore. you can get those flights. we used to enjoy that when we were kids. that lovely building the we walk past every day, i pulled that down. our grandmother's, the people in the past to go. it will never see them again. no,

i think that everything is eternal. and so when our consciousness gets to the end of our log span, it has no way to go back to the beginning and all believe that we have our logs over and over and over again. and it always feels what the 1st one was. it was what the 1st moment that we did those things except for those occasional moments with when we think hang on this has happened before. ok. and if we knew that, if we knew that we have an eternity contained within our loath, then we would live out both without the fear of death. and that we would remember that not to do anything that we can't live with forever.

perhaps that would affect our morality. i mean, it was just an aspiration, but i hoped to at least give people an alternative. basically you're saying we should all get over our physical mortality. yes, because i don't think it exists all believe that death is a perspective illusion of the 3rd dimension that we shouldn't worry about about the 3rd dimension. there is also this prophetic sing to you and to everything it you say. and right, i mean when i look back at me for i've been dead at the way you described the totally terry and right wing england. ben is right now we're getting personification of it in the proxy party. i mean, do you kind of feel like, and not only that word, a lot of other words, do you feel like cassandra, who's processes are coming to and you can't really do anything about them lo,

some times, but can be a little bit worrying not with all he wrote laughing 1991 and i was thinking right, let's set it in the far future which would be the far distant world of 1997. ready i thought, all right, so how are we going to make the reader understand? this is a fascist totalitarian. just thought i thought, well you could put say cameras on every street corner. that's a pretty fascist touch. so imagine my surprise when the tony blair live a government which was basically a different flavor of conservative government. but when i came into power in 1997 and immediately rolled out security cameras across the entire country. i wondered whether they are perhaps the enormous belief then that in there, you know,

this was probably more potent on why it's i'm fairly intelligent and i read an awful lot about the trends in the world, whether the political or so on thursday, or any other phone and so and oh, so travel. pretty good, tara reading. oh, so i'm probably going to get it wrote pops more than 50 percent on. i mean certainly do. including the trends as well. i'm in the whole mask wearing thing. it's something that you set where your comics, right? i mean we, we see people wearing masks now they want to be anonymous, right? because you set the superheroes than doing they don't exist. these are just regular people who put on mass. when people put on masks, it's usually usually correct me if i'm wrong,

to hide their psychotic disorders. their fears? yes. all that right. i mean, a lot of been quoted when i was in a bad mood about home. it's not could have been any time during the last 40 years. but i always asked about the origins of types and masks in the superhero genre and always said, oh, you need to know about types and mosques in american superhero. comics can be learned boy a close viewing of d. w. griffith. both of the nation because i genuinely believe that that is where it all comes from the all it we don't have math, a tradition of mouth heroes. really anywhere else in the world apart from america, i mean going full to the vendor to mosque is based upon that wasn't

a mask. that was his vice for robin hood. and that was his name. he wasn't wearing a mask. i think that there is some things that possibly dies back to those the who called clown intervention in both of the nation. the idea of dressing up in a mask. so that what you do doesn't get back to you. it's a form of evasion. um so, but i can completely understand it in the context of the modern protest movements. but what about the context of the, of the internet right now? i mean, it's like a free, accessible way, and it's sort of the replacement of the mask. you get to be the freaks that you want to be. we want to really knowing who you are on the thing are best dollars. it is a very bad thing. annoyed more friends, the author jarrett come back,

he was pointing out the song, yet anonymity on the internet. the allows all of these trolls and much worse. so to invite everybody's lloyd's that wasn't a glitch. that was a feature that the people who does owens the internet is owens, are in as a feature. it wasn't a mistake and enabled the very worst element so, so as he to spread their influence throughout the entire organism. so no, i'm not a huge fan of on an embassy. i'm very pleased the annoying to the all i had on all those years ago has been useful to mountain protest movements. and most of them i'm wholeheartedly beyond. however, ok, there was

a point where i was showing some footage of children in tennessee in playground. this would have been a couple weeks before the revolution in tunisia, which spot of the arab spring began. they showed them were all wearing, but for the inductor masks. and, and then yes, i think anonymous dot the tuners in government, i released all of their documents to the, to the people that k 12, the revolution. and then anonymous moved on to egypt, where they did the same thing. and then they moved on to syria. ah, where it didn't really go so well kind of got out of here. and so all would go is again,

intervening us in such a drastic. why? in the modern world where you're talking about vol confrontations where people will be killed, possibly not. the people who released all the documents on the internet, but the people on the streets, people are going to be hurt. people are going to be killed. and eventually it might lead to an insoluble blue box area. and this is a chaotic world. is a world where it for the butterfly effect it's, it's working according to the principles of powers, mathematics where a tony will influence from somewhere in the world right through the entire system that have massive repercussions. at this point, we are probably having as many always day is as in the, in color,

previous human history every 2 or 3 months. because that is the price, this is my cell or i think thing. so we've accumulated all of this information with that information. we have a cumulative complexity as a spaces we are really not good. dealing with complexity. allen will be right back when we're back. we'll continue talking to alan moore. big thinker, graphic novelist, author, performer, talking about life statement with the way of life of reindeer herders leading a traditionally nomadic lifestyle in the tundra is similar to

a parallel reality. a carry the weight of the household work on the shoulders. i'm with, however, in the vast expanse of russia, there is a spot where a house wife could secure a regular impairment. it's in the final semester with the by been ministrations decision to leave afghanistan was correct in long overdue . however, the way america's longest war ended as a different question. it was a botched affair. the generals will most likely never be held to account,

put alone marine within a colonel does face court martial. is this justice and we're back with genius alan war. what heroes and i know your take on super heroes you thing that people cowards make superheroes up to car up there on complexes. but what about heroism? without the perfect super, do you think it exists in the world? and if yes, then what is it? oh think good. yes, it does exist, but we have to be careful of it. i'm whenever you see an extraordinary person who is doing a lot of the work the the rest of the space he should be doing. and he's doing

a great deal about it. i'm thinking of people at the moment, people back to some of somebody who is taking on an enormous why a responsibility because she knows that she asked, i'm not really talking about cherishing someone as a hero, but at personal understanding of what a heroism is like for instance, a lot of people think like they need to be credit in order to be heroes. like they feel like you need to save the world in order to be here with me. it's enough to help an elderly person cross the street. if that's the only thing you can do it that doing this, and that's here is i'm to now of course, of course, is, is an every die heroism to choose to do the wrong thing rather than not to do the right thing. these are moments of heroism. there basically will hold the coca displaces together without them would be no way. so they are vitally important

. oh yes. on all for heroes and i have my own heroes. oh boy, always always william blake. i don't think that there was probably a better human day in the entire british history. there is a lot of talk about who you may be from your heroes that are to hear us. who do you think you are? i mean, the most common answer is kasha, even though you don't wear a mask. what do you think your here is? to love them? that's what being reuter is. they are all facets of you. because i think the all of us probably got everybody else. and so it is somewhere, it's just a matter of searching through the files until you fall in the wrong one. and then some of those things oh bit. so decorating it a little bit, making into a real flesh in both figure. but they're all me basically. i believe you can take

a little twist. i know magic is something that is very important to you. it is to me to where does magic come in and all of this everything that we've been talking about, the books, the comics, the life or human race. where does it come in? we are used to having voices and i the 1000 li, or sudden, vivid memories of something or vivid pictures. because we know what the mind is, or at least we have a decent idea of what the moment is. we understand things what the on conscious we have a concept of mind. but so our ancestors, they have no such conception. so where could those voices, those visions, those images be coming from except from the gods, from spirits? ah, it was a natural why of perceiving the world and all believe the early challenge over in their dancing around the camp fire.

this always does, animals are perhaps knocking together bones to make a rhythmic sound. i think the in that we have the origins of all modern culture. ha ha, from possibly sport. oh, with mo, been load the hunters showing off or something, but all the rest of the off. we saw it says, i go back to that figure. what's the common denominator between magic hour is a terry and art because you always say super closely. intertwined. well, i think that the same thing, i think when we did, when we discovered consciousness and language, then arts and magic were part of the same equation. that off and magic, all both concerned with taking something which does not exist. and then bringing it into, manifestation. this is not done. bowie. i don't,

i'm saying a few words. i'm throwing some powers into a browser and making just, you know, it's still boy working for a couple of years. something really, really hard. so you've had no idea for a book that doesn't exist anywhere except in your mind is a less than a found tassel. unless you bring all of your personality, your abilities to bear and are prepared to go through, however long it types of serious hard work. and then at the end of that you have jerusalem. you were brought something into materialization, but would not exist. is of the voice case of for you. magic is actually creating something from consciousness mind to real life ledge but not doing rights and

sometimes there'll be roads involved as well. not to, you know, since i was started because i think the only needed the spectacular results to convince me that there was something worth pursuing in all of this back then. yeah, we had some unusual experiences, always throwing out all of the things that the magicians are supposed to be able to do. i found myself on one of the evening talking to something which i believe it claims to be a demon. one that was 1st mentioned in the book of talbot. in the apocryphal with the same damon turns up in jerusalem. because all of phil, i have a working knowledge of it. but for now, these things might have been a loose and i should know this is quite possible. some sort of thought to get this

out. but they were part of my experience. they were things that we believed were real. i've heard a lot of people say, same thing about like 20 i was our l is the and they're saying, you know, it just makes so much more sense the world that we live in after you've taken and experience this, you know, the reality or the only real reality, but you just said in 5 d instead of 2 d. so, but i know that you were like saying the conspiracy theories are actually made up by people to make sense of the celtic world that we live in. because if we really were truly faced with the cows in the world, we wouldn't take it. does magic help you deal with that couse? i think it does. and i think the also magic is a smoker. delicate spirit word for to deli williams, soul revealing of which is a clickable to magic has to dose of l. s. d o. oscar also solving the fact to

talk about drugs, particularly so solid is to actually impair a number of the connections that you have built up during the course of your voice and your engagement with society and with other people. so you build up restraints upon your thinking, the doesn't the why that you think the why that we all think. but these saw kadelli drugs bright down those restraints. so the outside of consciousness is actually much more like the start of consciousness that we had when we were pre verbal infants. apparently, i was reading in one of my favorite songs, magazines, new sciences. it was saying that if you want to experience what it's like to be an in and it says i go to paris

a dream also one. how about i took coffee fall in love. oh no. 3 packs, was you times um and then yes, you will definitely be why can you put 3 in the morning crying without knowing boy, oh, absent. yes it did. the people in new songs is beside to which we would only side. yes. and types of magic mushrooms as well. then you will complete the re create the state of consciousness that we had when we were children. if magic could bring about that point of changing consciousness or ought to bring about that point of changing consciousness in the readers in the audience, then that would surely it's my purpose. it's my justification. the main reason for doing it just to try and spread propaganda for a state of mind,

useful ideas that people might fall in handy in getting to the lowest the mall. it might get a better thought. is that surely the only reason for doing any out to troy? and if you think that you have all it is that might be useful to other people then . ah, it is a wonderful mystical isa terrier. why, of pricing your thoughts into somebody else's mind? and i think the back of the buys, this is what those people dancing around the prosperity fall as we're doing. and i think it's what any modern artist or rosure only musician is doing when that's correct. thank you so much. i love every minute of our talk. this is

the policy makers, the federal reserve bank, and joe biden. the president thinks america is so freaking stupid, that they can make them believe that picking up a worthless, shiny round object. and going hocus pocus over it magically turns it into a trillion dollars that they can deposit at the, at the federal reserve or the treasury to somehow mitigate that. $300000000.00 debt crisis, who the way of life of reindeer is leading and traditionally nomadic lifestyle in the tundra is similar to a parallel reality. which shot very contrast with the usual realities of megacity.

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