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a modem history of the usa by america. oh, nazi. hi . what come to so the co visionaries, me so feet, share it, not say or yes. today is an extraordinary man in all senses. and i don't know if she recognized him. he is a graphic novelist. he's the wizard of art. literally. she says on his books, he says, writer and performer have a full that me something i don't think. so. somebody who is firmly rooted in the magical city of november to our new medicine, gentlemen, wilma, talking about life and it's larger since. right. so in the start else

was jerusalem. i suppose there is no universal way of reading that book, right? so for me it's like an intelligent story and characters and john rose and i mean history that spread on that sheet of thousands of years. and for me, all of their bow is decorations, and then there is north hampton nurse. to me, it seems like it's the only real character in the book. is it you? well, that is possibly true. the boroughs is certainly the foremost character in the book is created. all of the other characters are created made. it created many of the real characters are in jerusalem and most of them are real or thing other than the obviously fantastic characters or the angels and demons and all the rest of it. um,

there are only 2 might of characters in the whole book of characters. lo, tommy mangle, the cat. he was real. so the, the little ghost girl who's got the feather boa might have dead rabbits where she real, she was real here in your life. oh, interviewed her as an older lady. she was the mother of one of my good friends. i went round there and she told me all about how they used to collect rabbit skins, from the streets in the boroughs, and then take them up to a place where they'd get perhaps a need for them. and she has got this bower around 2 rabbits that so, so no one could badge a span of all of the stories that they were all true. and my old grew of that area . so yes, the boroughs was the, the origin of the whole book. this was the place that

both industry and free market capitalism, both started the junction of gas st and thomas rate. oh, which was an extraordinary fact which i hadn't expected but which just to void. the entire total of the book in this was the 1st dark, satanic mill of william bly from william jerusalem. so that was lucky though i managed to come across that fact before i would finish the book. otherwise the total wouldn't have had any sense at all. so if we look at your previous work, it's always been to sort of a deep into non fiction or cas of the world through pop. this book to ridgeland. you say yourself is your main legacy. what does this legacy tell us about the world we're living today? well, i hope the world we live in to die is eternal.

and that everything in it matters eternally. our lawyers, martha, the, the, the last the bus did kyle lloyd, or the last doctor in the go to is important because it is a part of this eternity. we all share that we all will have our moment in a wanted to remove the fear death because all i believe that stops us from living. it's funny is speak about eternity and you speak about us that we shouldn't have this fear of death because it comes in a way of living life to it's fullest. because we know we all grew up with a doomsday clock notion that you actually yeah, yeah. and last i checked,

it's even closer to midnight that a watch me back than it was the nuclear war threat. i don't know was a closer to midnight. now. i don't know if it's the global warming or artificial intelligence especially. fellowship is really a fact of it because of the political instability of the world because of the environmental crisis. we've become obsessed with a big sky apocalypse is the mushroom cloud going up. the complete environmental collapse. because di drama, toys, something which is the end of us is the end of the world, at least to us. everything ends, or at least that is the way that we are conditioned to perceive loath and death. and so big sky apocalypse is that worry is i think that that is

a why of prompt to flag our concerns about our own individual mortality. which i think overall, all this wanted to do with jerusalem was to give people alternative. there is a persistent illusion of transient the, the shows that we used to live on television anymore. you can get those flights. we used to enjoy that when we were kids. that lovely building the we will pass every day. i pulled that down. our grandmother's, the people in the past who delayed will never see them again. no, i think that everything is eternal. and so when our consciousness gets to the end of our log span, it has no way to go back to the beginning. and all believe that we have our logs over and over and over again. and it always feels what the 1st one was. it was

what the 1st moment that we did those things except for those occasional moments with when we think hang on this has happened before. ok. and if we knew that, if we knew that we have an eternity contained within our lot, then we would live out both without the fear of death. and that we would remember that not to do anything that we can't live with forever. perhaps that would affect our morality. i mean, it was just an aspiration, but i hoped to at least give people an alternative. basically you're saying we should all get over our physical mortality. yes, because i don't think it exists all believe that death is

a perspective illusion of the 3rd dimension that we shouldn't worry. i'll talk about 3rd dimension. there is also this prophetic thing to you and to everything you say and right, i mean when i look back at me for i've been dead at the way you described the totally terry and right wing england. ben is right now, we're getting personification of it in the proxy party. i mean, just kind of feel like and not only that work, a lot of other work. do you feel like cassandra? because processes are coming to and you can't really do anything about them. whoa, whoa, some times back can be a little bit worrying. not with all he wrote laughing 1991 and i was thinking right, let's set it in the far future which would be the far distant world of 1997. ready i thought or so how are we going to might the reader understand?

this is a fascist totalitarian. to stop here. i thought, well you could put say cameras on every street corner. that's a pretty fascist touch. so imagine my surprise when the tony blair lie the government which was basically a different flavor of conservative government. but when i came into power in 1997 and immediately rolled out security cameras across the entire country. a wondered whether they are perhaps the enormous belief event that fans in there. you know, this was probably more potent. so mine is on fairly intelligent. and i read an awful lot about the trends in the world, whether the political or so on thursday or any other phone. and so

and oh, so travel. pretty good carol roading. oh, so i'm probably going to get it wrote up more than 50 percent of the time. i mean certainly do including the trends as well. i mean the whole mask wearing thing. it's something that you set where your comics. right. i mean we, we see people wearing masks, now they want to be anonymous, right? because you set the superheroes than doing they don't exist. these are just regular people who put on mask. when people put on masks, it's usually usually correct me if i'm wrong, to hide their psychotic disorders. their fears? yes. oh, that's right. i mean, a lot of been quoted when i was in a bad mood about home. it's not could have been any time during the last 40 years, but i always ask about the origins of types and masks

in the superhero genre and always said, oh, you need to know about types and mosques in american superhero. comics can be learned boy a close viewing of d. w group. it's both of the nation. ok because i genuinely believe that that is where it all comes from. the all it we don't have math, a tradition of mouth heroes. really anywhere else in the world. apart from america . i'm going full to the v for vendetta mosque is based upon that wasn't a mask. that was his vice for robin hood for that was his name. he wasn't wearing him off. i think that there is some things that possibly dies back to those. the ku klux clown intervention in both of the nation. the idea of dressing up in

a mask so that what you do doesn't get back to you. it's a form of evasion. ok. so, but i can completely understand it in the context of the modern protest movement. but what about the context of the, of the internet right now? i mean, it's like a free, accessible way, and it's sort of the replacement of the mask. you get to be the freaks that you want to be. we want to really knowing who you are on the thing are back in dollars . it is a very bad thing. a lot more friend. the also jarrett come back, he was pointing out that some yet anonymity on the internet but allows all of these trolls and much worse. so to invite everybody's lloyd's, that wasn't a glitch. that was a feature that the people who does owens the internet is owens. i in as i thought

it wasn't a mistake and enabled the very worst elements of society to spread their influence throughout the entire organism. so, no, i'm not a huge fan of an embassy. i'm very pleased the annoying to the all i had on all those years ago has been useful to mountain protest movements, and most of them i'm wholeheartedly beyond. however, so there was a point where i was showing some footage of children in tune in playground. this would have been a couple weeks before the revolution in tunisia, which sparked off the arab spring, began, they showed them were wearing booth and masks on. and

then, yes, i think anonymous dog, the tuners in government, i released all of their documents to the, to the people that gets off the revolution. and then anonymous moved on to egypt, where they did the same thing. and then they moved on to syria. ok, well it didn't really go so well kind of got out of here. and so all would avoid again into the evening and in such a drastic, why in the modern world where you're talking about vol confrontations where people will be killed. possibly not the people who released all the documents on the internet, but the people on the streets, people are going to be hurt. people are going to be killed. and eventually it might

lead to an insoluble blood bos locks area. and this is a chaotic world. is a world where it for the butterfly effect it's, it's working according to the principles of mathematics, where a tiny little influence from somewhere in the world composed thought through the entire system that have massive repercussions. at this point, we are probably having as many all ideas as in the, in car, a previous human history every territory month because that is the price. this is like cell or i think thing. so we've accumulated all of this information and with that information, we're the cumulative complexity. and as the spaces we are really not good at dealing with complexity, allen will be right back when we're back. we'll continue talking to alan moore. big

thinker, graphic novelist, arthur, performer, talking about life statement, these are the 4 people who pulled the trigger and survive something on survival. one of the hardest things that i had to face was not having a face at a low expectation of life. i accepted death accept the fact that i made that we had no fears. dell change pretty fast for shots. different stories behind the bullets. the vibe administration's decision to leave afghanistan was correct in long overdue. however, the way americans longest war ended is

a different question. it was a botched affair. the generals will most likely never be held to account, but alone marine, we can, colonel does face court martial, is this justice? and we're back with janice allen moore. well up here in a minute, i know you're taking superheroes. you're saying that people carts make super here is up to car up there on complexes. but what about heroism? without the prefix super? do you think it exists in the world? and if yes, then what is it? i think good. yes, it does exist. but we have to be careful of it. um,

whenever you see an extraordinary person who is doing a lot of the work, the, the rest of the space he should be doing. and he's doing a great deal about it. i'm thinking of people lot at the moment people back to some of somebody who is taking on an enormous why of responsibility because she knows that she asked, i'm not really talking about cherishing someone as a hero, but at a personal understanding of what a heroism is like, for instance, a lot of people think like they need to be grad us in order to be heroes. i think they feel like you need to save the world in order to be here with me. it's enough to help an elderly person cross the street. if that's the only thing you can do it, that the best and that's here is i'm to now of course, if it is and it is an every die heroism to choose to do the role it thing rather than not to do the right thing. these are moments of heroism. there

basically will hold the coca displaces together without them would be no way. so they are vitally important. oh yes, on all for heroes and i have my own heroes. oh boy, always william blake. i don't think there was probably a better human day in the entire british history. there is a lot of talk about who you might be from your heroes that are to hear us. who do you think you are? i mean, the most common answer is kasha, even though you don't wear a mask. what do you think your from your here is to love them? that's what being a reuter is. they are all facets of you. because i think the all of us, oh probably got everybody else and saw it somewhere. it's just a matter of searching through the files until you fall in the wrong one and then sort of those thing out of it. so decorating it a little bit, making it into

a real flesh in both figure. but they're all me basically i, i believe you can take a little twist. i know magic is something that is very important to you. it is to me to where does magic come in and all of this everything that we've been talking about, the books, the comics, the life or human race. where does it come in? we are used to having both resides occasionally or sudden, vivid memories of something or vivid pictures. because we know what the mind is, or at least we have a decent idea of what the moment is. we understand things what the on conscious we have a concept of mind. but sir, our ancestors, they have no such conception. so where could those voices, those visions, those images be coming from except from the gods, from spirits? ah, it was

a natural why of perceiving the world and all believe that the early challenge over in their dancing around the camp fire disguised as animals. oh, perhaps knocking together bones to make a rhythmic sound. i think the in that we have the origins of all modern culture from possibly sport. oh, with mo, been load the hunters showing off or something, but all the rest of the off. we saw it says, i go back to that figure. what's the common denominator between magic hour is a terry and art because you always say it's super closely. intertwined. well, i think that they're the same thing. i think that when we did, when we discovered consciousness and language, then that's a magic. what part of the same equation that off and magic all both concerned

with taking some think which does not exist and then bringing it into manifestation . this is not done by i'm saying a few words and throwing some powers into a browser and mike and just, you know, it's still boy working for a couple of years. something really, really hard. so you've had no idea for a book that doesn't exist anywhere except in your mind is a less than 80001000. unless you bring all of your personality, your abilities to bear and are prepared to go through, however long it types of serious hard work. and then at the end of that you have jerusalem. you brought something into materials i should look would not exist is oh, the voice. okay. so for you magic is actually creating something from consciousness

mind to real life. what not doing rights. and sometimes there'll be roads involved as well. not to, you know, since i was started because i think the only needed the spectacular results to convince me that there was something worth pursuing in all of this back then. yeah, we had some unusual experiences. always trying out all of the things the magicians are supposed to be able to do. i found myself on one of the evening talking to something which i believe if claims to be a demon one that was 1st mentioned in the book of ta bit in the poker for the simon turns up in jerusalem. because all of phil, i have a working knowledge of it. but for now these things might have been

a loose and i know this is quote possible, some sort of thought to get this out. but they were part of my experience. they were things that we believed were real. i've heard a lot of people say, same thing about like 20 i was our l is the and they're saying, you know, it just makes so much more sense the world that we live in after you've taken and experienced this, you know, the reality or the only real reality, but you just said in 5 d instead of 2 d. so, but i know that you were like saying the conspiracy theories are actually made up by people to make sense of the celtic world that we live in. because if we really were truly faced with the cows in the world, we wouldn't take it. does magic help you deal with that couse? i think it does. and i think the also much it is a smoker. delicate experience word for the deli williams,

soul revealing of which is a clickable to magic has to dose of l. s. d o. oscar also solving the 2. so good drugs, particularly so solid, is to actually impair a number of the connections that you built up during the course of your voice and your engagement with society and with other people. so you build up restraints upon your thinking, the bills and the why that you think the why that the all think. but these saw to deli drugs bright down those restraints. so the outside of consciousness is actually much more like the study of consciousness that we had when we were pre verbal infants. apparently, i was reading in one of my favorite songs, magazines, new scientist. it was saying that if you want to experience what it's like to be an

in and it says i go to paris a dream also one. how about i coffee? fall in love, love, smoke, 3 packs. was you tines um and then yes, you would definitely be. why can you up at 3 in the morning crowing without knowing boy, oh, absent, yes, it did the people in new scientists besides to which we would only site yes. and types of magic mushrooms as well. then you will complete the re create the state of consciousness that we had when we were children. if magic could bring about that point of change in consciousness or off to bring about that point of change in consciousness. in the rages in the audience, then that would surely. it's my purpose,

it's mine justification. the main reason for doing it is to try and spread propaganda for a state of mind. that useful ideas that people might fall in handy in getting to the lowest. the mall, it might get a better thought, is that surely the only reason for doing any out to troy? and if you think that you have all it is that might be useful to other people, then art is a wonderful mystical isa. terrier. why, of placing your thoughts into somebody else's mind? um and i think that as the basis is what those people dancing around the prehistoric fall as we're doing. and i think it's what any modern artist will rosure all me musician is doing when that's correct. thank you so much. i love every minute of our talk you later.

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