as annoying as this group may be, would anybody actually be talking about them if they weren't so disruptive? this group at least say it was the government and the government had to stop this all in a moment. it, of course, may can lead to that demands and so you company are up to date more in half an hour or come to so because visionaries, me so feet shout, not say where our guest today is an extraordinary man in our senses. and i don't know if you recognized him. he is a graphic novelist. he's a wizard of art. literally. he says on his books he says, writer and performer, have a full got me something i don't think. so. somebody who is really rooted in the magical

city of northern tier. alamo lends intent. well, we'll be talking about life and it's larger, says all right, so i want to start off with jerusalem and i suppose there is no universal way of reading that book, right? so for me, it's like an intelligent story and characters and john rosen, i mean history that spread on that sheet of thousands of years. and for me all of their bow is decorations. and then there is north hampton paris. to me, it seems like it's the only real character in the book is that you well, that is possibly true. the boroughs is certainly the foremost character in the book is created. all of the other characters are created made it created, many of the real characters are in jerusalem and most of them are real,

always thing other than the obviously fantastical characters or the angels and humans and all the rest of it. so there are only 2 major characters in the whole book of characters. lot tommy mangle, the cat, he was real. so the, the little ghost go, who's got the about might have dead rabbits or she real. she was real or in your life or interviewed her as an older lady. she was the mother of one of my good friends. and i went round there and she told me all about how they used to collect rabbit skins, from the streets in the boroughs, and then take them up to a place where they get perhaps a i hate me for them. and she has got this bower around 2 rabbits that so, so no one could badge a span of all of the stories that they were all true. and they all grew of that

area. so yes, the bureaus was the origin of the whole book. this was the place that both industry and free market capitalism, both started the junction of gas st and thomas rate. oh, which was an extraordinary fact which i hadn't expected but which just did void the entire a total of the book. in this was the 1st dark, satanic mill of william blight from william jerusalem. so that was lucky though i managed to come across that fact before i would finish the book of the was the total wouldn't have had any sense. so if we look at your previous work, it's always been to sort of a deep into nonfiction or cache of the world through pop. this book to ridgeland,

you say yourself is your main legacy. what does this legacy tell us about the world we're living today? well, i hope the world we live in today is eternal. and that everything in it matters eternally our lawyers, martha, the, the, the last, the bus to kyle lloyd or the last don't turn in the go to is important because it is a part of this eternity. we all share that we all have our moment in i wanted to remove the fear death because all i believe that stops us from living. it's funny is thinking about eternity and you speak about us that we shouldn't have this

fear of death because it comes in a way of living life to it's fullest. because we know we all grew up with a doomsday clock notion that you actually yeah, yeah. and last i checked, it's even closer to midnight that a watch me to back than it was the nuclear war threat. i don't know was a closer to midnight. now. i don't know if it's the global warming or artificial intelligence, especially intelligence is really a fact of it because of the political instability of the world. because of the environmental crosses. we've become obsessed with a big sky apocalypse is the mushroom cloud going up. the complete environmental collapse because di, drama, toys, something which is the end of us is the end of the world, at least to us. everything ends, or at least that is the way that we are conditioned to perceive los and death. and

so big sky apocalypse is that worry is i think that that is a why of prompts to flight our concerns about our own individual mortality, which i think hangs over all of us. all wanted to do with jerusalem was to give people alternative. there is a persistence illusion of transient so the shows that we used to live on television anymore. you can get those flights. we used to enjoy that when we were kids. that lovely building the we will pass every day. i pulled that down. our grandmother's, the people in the past to go, it will never see them again. no, i think that everything is eternal. and so when our consciousness gets to the end of our log span,

it has no way to go back to the beginning and all believe that we have our logs over and over and over again. and it always feels what the 1st one was. it was what the 1st moment that we did those things except for those occasional moments with when we think hang on this has happened before. ok. and if we knew that, if we knew that we have an eternity contained within our loath, then we would live that both without the fear of death. and that we would remember that not to do anything that we can't live with forever. perhaps that would effect. so morality, i mean, it was just an aspiration, but i hoped to at least give people an alternative. basically you're saying we

should all get over our physical mortality. yes. because i don't think it exists all believe that death is a perspective illusion of the 3rd dimension. and that we shouldn't worry about the 3rd dimension. there is also this prophetic sink to you and to everything you say. and right, i mean when i look back at me for i've been dead at the way you described the totally terry and right wing angle and then is right now we're getting personification of it in the proxy party. i mean, just kind of feel like and not only that word, a lot of other words, do you feel like cassandra, who's processes are coming to and you can't really do anything about them low so many times, but can be a little bit worrying not with all he wrote laughing 1991 and i was thinking about let's say in the far future,

which would be the far distant world of 1997. i thought. all right, so how are we going to might the reader understand? this is a fascist totalitarian. just thought i thought, well you could put say cameras on every street corner. that's a pretty fascist touch. so imagine my surprise when the tony blair live a government which was basically a different flavor of conservative government. but when i came into power in 1997 and immediately rolled out security cameras across the entire country, a wondered whether they had perhaps been enormous belief then that in their yeah, this was probably more potent. so mine is i'm fairly intelligent and i read an awful lot about the trends in the world,

whether the political or so on thursday or any other phone. and so, oh, so travel. pretty good carol reading. oh, so i'm probably going to get it wrote up more than 50 percent of the time. i mean certainly do including the trends as well. i'm in the whole mask wearing thing. it's something that you set where your comics. right. i mean we, we see people wearing masks, now they want to be anonymous, right? because you set the superheroes than doing they don't exist. these are just regular people who put home ask when people put on masks, it's usually usually correct me if i'm wrong, to hide their psychotic disorders or fears. yes. oh that right. i mean, a lot of been quoted when i was in a bad mood about home. it could have been any time during the last 40 years. but

i always asked about the origins of types and masks in the superhero genre, and always said, oh, you need to know about types and mosques in american superhero. comics can be learned. boy, a close viewing of d. w group. it's both of the nation because i genuinely believe that that is where it all comes from. the all it we don't have math, a tradition of mouth heroes. really anywhere else in the world apart from america. i mean, going full to the vendor to mosque is based upon that wasn't a mask. that was his vice for robin hood for that was his name. he wasn't wearing him off. i think that there is something that possibly dies

back to those the who cult clown intervention in both of the nation. the idea of dressing up in a mosque so that what you do doesn't get back to you. it's a form of evasion. um, so the often completely understand it in the context of the modern protest movements. but what about the context of the, of the internet right now? i mean, it's like a free, accessible way, and it's sort of the replacement of the mask. you get to be the freaks that you want to be. we want to really knowing who you are on the thing. we're back in dollars. it is a very bad thing, a lot more friends. the also jarrett come back, he was pointing out that some yet anonymity on the internet, the allows all of these trolls and much worse. so to invite

everybody's lloyd's, that wasn't a glitch. that was a feature that the people who does owens the internet is owned by in as a feature. it wasn't on the site and is enabled the very worst elements of society to spread their influence throughout the entire organism. so no, i'm not a huge fan of an embassy. i'm very pleased. the annoying is all i had on all those years ago has been useful to molten protest movements. and most of them i'm wholeheartedly beyond. however, ok, there was a point where i was showing some footage of children in tennessee in play ground. this would've been a couple weeks before the revolution in tunisia

which sparked off the arab spring, began they showed them were wearing but for the industrial masks. and, and then yes, i think anonymous dot the tuners in government, i released all the documents to the, to the people that came off the revolution. and then anonymous moved on to egypt, where they did the same thing. and then they moved on syria. ok, well it didn't really go so well kind of got out of here. and so all would avoid again, intervening us in such a drastic. why? in the modern world where you're talking about vol confrontations where people will be killed, possibly not. the people who released all the documents on the internet,

but the people on the streets, people are going to be hurt. people are going to be killed. and eventually it might lead to an insoluble blue box area. and this is a chaotic world. is a world where it for the butterfly effect it's, it's working according to the principles of kind of mathematics, where a tony will influence from somewhere in the world compose thought through the entire system that have massive repercussions. at this point, we are probably having as many always does as in the intolerable previous human history, every 2 or 3 months. because that is the price. this is what seller, i think thing. so we've accumulated all of this information and with that

information we have accumulated complexity. and as a spaces we are really not good dealing with complexity. allen will the way back when we're back. we'll continue talking to alan moore. big thinker, graphic novelist, author, performer, talking about life statement, imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century. what are the chapters called gun violence school shootings, homelessness? first it was my job and then it was my fair when it was my savings, i have nothing. i have nothing and it's not like i don't try. i look for resources, i look for jobs, i look for everything i can to make this pass. and i end up doing is passing the

road to the american dream, paved with dead refugees. it's this very idealized image. all those older america, native americans look past the deaths to happen every single day. this is a modern history of the usa, my america, on our t o is your media reflection of reality. in the world transformed what will make you feel safer. high selection for community. are you going the right way or are you being led to somewhere? which direction what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted, you need to descend to join us in the depths

or remain in the shallows. these are the full people who pulled the trigger and survive something on survival . one of the hardest things that i had to face was not having a face at a low expectation. a life i accepted that i accept the fact. i mean that's why we had no fears. jell changed pre fashion. 4 shots, different stories behind the bullets. and we're back with genius alan war. what heroes and i know your take on super

heroes you thing that people cowards make super heroes up to car up there on complexes. but what about heroism? without the preface, super, do you think it exists in the world and if yes, then what is it? oh, think who? yes it does exist, but we have to be careful of it. i'm whenever you see an extraordinary person who is doing a lot of the work, the, the rest of the space he should be doing. and he's doing a great job. i'm thinking of people at the moment, people back to some of somebody who is taking on an enormous why a responsibility because she feels that she asked, i'm not really talking about cherishing someone as a hero, but at personal understanding of what a heroism is like for instance, a lot of people think like they need to be gress in order to be heroes. like they

feel like you need to save the world in order to be here with me. it's enough to help an elderly person cross the street. if that's the only thing you can do it that doing this, and that's here is i'm to now of course, if it is and is an every die heroism to choose to do the wrong thing rather than not to do the right thing. these are moments of heroism. there basically will hold, the culture displaces together without them would be no way. so they are vocally important. oh yes, on all for heroes and i have my own heroes. oh boy, always always william blake. i don't think that there was probably a better human day in the entire british history. there is a lot of talk about who you might be from your heroes at our to hear us. who do you think you are? i mean, the most common answer is kasha, even though you don't wear

a mask. what do you think your from your here is to love them? that's what being a reuter is. they are all facets of you. because i think the all of us probably got everybody else. and so it is somewhere it's just a matter of searching through the files until you fall in the wrong one. and then sort of those thing out of it. so decorating it a little bit, mikey into a real question, both figure. but they're all me basically i, i believe you can take a little twist. i know magic is something that is very important to you. it is to me to where does magic come in and all of this everything that we've been talking about, the books, the comics, the life or human race. where does it come in? we are used to having both designs occasionally or sudden, vivid memories of something or vivid pictures. because we know what the mind is,

or at least we have a decent idea of what the moment is. we understand things what the unconscious we have a concept of mind. but so our ancestors, they have no such conception. so where could those voices, those visions, those images be coming from accept from the gods, from spirits? ah, it was a natural why of perceiving the world and all believe that the early challenge over in their dancing around the camp fire disguised as animals, are perhaps knocking together bones to make a rhythmic sound. i think the in that we have the origins of all modern culture. ha ha, from possibly sport. oh, with mo, been load the hunters showing off or something, but all the rest of the off. we saw it says,

i go back to that figure. what's the common denominator between magic hour is a terry and art because he always said super closely, intertwined. well, i think that the same thing. i think that when we did, when we discovered consciousness and the language then and magic were part of the same equation. that off and magic are both concerned with taking something which does not exist. and then bringing it into manifestation. this is not done, bowie. i don't, i'm saying a few words, i'm throwing some powers into a browser and my can just use not only working for a couple of years, but something really, really hard. so you've had no idea for a book that doesn't exist anywhere except in your mind is a less than

a found tassel. unless you bring all of your personality, your abilities to bear and are prepared to go through, however long it types of serious hard work. and then at the end of that you will have jerusalem. you will have brought something into materials i should look would know of the existence of the voice. okay. so for you, magic is actually creating something from consciousness mind to real life. what not doing rights. and sometimes there'll be roads involved as well. not to, you know, since i was started because i think the only needed the spectacular results to convince me that there was something worth pursuing in all of this. and back then. yeah, we had some unusual experiences, always throwing out all of the things. the magicians are supposed to be able to do

. i found myself on one of the evening talking to something which i believe it claims to be a demon. one that was 1st mentioned in the book of talbot. in the apocryphal with the same damon turns up in jerusalem because all of phil, i have a working knowledge of him. but for now these things might have been a loose and i should know this is quite possible. some sort of thought to get the so, but they were part of my experience. they were things that we believed were real. i've heard a lot of people say, same thing about like trying. i was our l is the in there saying, you know, it just makes so much more sense the world that will live in after you've taken an experience this, you know, the reality or the only real reality. but you just said in 5 d instead of 2 d. so,

but i know that you were like saying the conspiracy theories are actually made up by people to make sense of the celtic world that we live in. because if we really were truly faced with the cows in the world, we wouldn't take it. does magic help you deal with that couse? i think it does. and i think the also magic is a smoker. delicate experience word for the deli williams, soul revealing which is was clickable to magic, has to dos of ls. oscar also saw in the 2. so if you don't drugs, particularly so, so that is to actually impair a number of the connections that you built up during the course of your voice and your engagement with society and with other people. so you build up restraints upon your thinking. the doesn't the why that you think the why that we

all think. but these saw kadelli drugs bright down those restraints. so the outside of consciousness is actually much more like the study of consciousness that we had when we were pre verbal infants. apparently i was reading in one of my favorite songs, magazines, new scientist. it was saying that if you want to experience what it's like to be in, in and it says i go to paris a dream also one. how about i cups of coffee fall in love? so note 3 pack sushi times. um and then yes, you will definitely be. why can you put 3 in the morning crying without knowing boy, oh, absent. yes it did. the people in new songs is beside to which we would only

side yes. and types of magic mushrooms as well. then you will complete the re create the state of consciousness that we had when we were children. if magic could bring about that point of changing consciousness or off to bring about that phone to change in consciousness, in the readers in the audience. then that would surely. it's my purpose is mine justification. the main reason for doing it is to try and spread propaganda for a state of mind that useful ideas that people might fall in handy in getting to the lowest the mall. it might get a better thought. is that surely the only reason for doing any out to troy? and if you think that you have all it is that might be useful to other people, then art is a wonderful mystical isa terrier. why,

of placing your thoughts into somebody else's mind? and i think that as the basis is what those people dancing around the prehistoric fall as we're doing. and i think it's what any modern artist or roles you're all me musician is doing when like where thank you so much. i love every minute of our talk to you join me every thursday on the alex simon, sure. and i'll be speaking together in the world. politics, sport, business. i'm sure business. i'll see you then.

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