had a new all time high, higher than 20 love higher than at any time in history. and yet what's lagging horribly, gold and silver. this commodities bloom is being spurred really by oil. oil is to really the new gold is the global goal is to global currencies to federal dollars, whether since 1971, when the u. s. widest from gold to oil, to back its currency. and so j girl, the fear alive today, he would be cornering the oil market to try this for commodities panic trying to get offload as week. ah no, welcome to so because visionaries me so feet shower at night say where our guest today

is an extraordinary man. in our senses, and i don't know if you recognize him. he is a graphic novelist. he's a wizard of art. literally. he says on his books he says, writer and performer, heaven for that me something i don't think so. somebody who is firmly rooted in the magical city of norm allen, the lens and gentlemen will be talking about life and it's larger, says all right, so on the start off was jerusalem and i suppose there is no universal way of reading that book, right? so for me, it's like an intelligent story and characters and john rosen, i mean history that spread on that sheet of thousands of years. and for me all of the about is decorations. and then there is north hampton paris. to me, it seems like it's the only real character in the book. is it you? well,

that is possibly true. the boroughs is certainly the foremost character in the book is created. all of the of the characters are created made. it created many of the real characters are in jerusalem and most of them are real or thing other than the obviously fantastic characters or the angels and demons and all the rest of it. um, there are only 2 might of characters in the whole book of characters. lo, tommy mangle, the cat. he was real. um the little ghost girl who's got the a feather boa might have dead rabbits where she real, she was real here in your life. oh, interviewed her as an older lady. she was the mother of one of my good friends. i went round there and she told me all about how they used to collect rabbit skins,

from the streets in the boroughs, and then take them up to a place where they get perhaps a hate me for them. and she has got this bower around 2 rabbits that so so no one could bear to stand there for all of the stories that they were all true. and they all grew of that area. so yes, the bureaus was the origin of the whole book. this was the place that both industry and free market capitalism, both started the junction of gas street and thomas right. oh, which was an extraordinary fact which i hadn't expected but which just to void. the entire total of the book in this was the 1st dark, satanic mill of william blight from william jerusalem. so that was

lucky though i managed to come across that fact before i would finish the book. otherwise the total wouldn't have had any sense at all. so if we look at your previous work, it's always been to sort of a deep into nonfiction or cas of the world through pop. this book to ridgeland. you say yourself, but your main legacy, what does this legacy tell us about the world we're living today? well, i hope it tells us the world we live in to die is eternal. and that everything in it matters eternally our lloyd's mom for the the, the last the bus to kyle lloyd or the last don't turn in the go to is important because it is a part of this eternity. we all share that we all have our moment in a wanted to remove the fear of death

because all i believe that stops us from living. it's funny is think about eternity and you speak about us that we shouldn't have this fear of death because it comes in a way of living life to it's fullest. because we know we all grew up with a doomsday clock notion that you actually yeah, yeah. and last, i checked it closer to midnight that a watch me to back than it was the nuclear war threat. i don't know was a closer to midnight. now. i don't know if it's the global warming or artificial intelligence with this is really a fact of it's because of the political instability of the world because of the environmental crisis. we've become obsessed with a big sky apocalypse is the mushroom cloud going up. the complete environmental

collapse because di, drama, toys, something which is the end of us is the end of the world, at least to us. everything ends, or at least that is the way that we are conditioned to perceive laws and death. and so big sky apocalypse is that worry is i think that that is a why of prompts to flight our concerns about our own individual mortality, which i think overall, all this wanted to do with jerusalem was to give people alternative. there is a persistent illusion of transient so the shows that we used to live on television anymore. you can get those flights. we used to enjoy that when we were kids. that lovely building the we will pass every day. i pulled that down. our

grandmother's, the people in the past to go, it will never see them again. no, i think that everything is eternal. and so when our consciousness gets to the end of our log spam, it has no way to go back to the beginning and all believe that we have our logs over and over and over again. and it always feels what the 1st one was. it was what the 1st moment that we did those things except for those occasional moments with when we think hang on this has happened before. ok. and if we knew that, if we knew that we have an eternity contained within our loath, then we would live that both without the fear of death. and that we

would remember that not to do anything that we can't live with forever. perhaps that would effect. so morality, oh, it was just an aspiration, but i hoped to at least give people an alternative. basically you're saying we should all get over our physical mortality. yes. because i don't think it exists. i believe that death is a perspective illusion of the 3rd dimension that we shouldn't worry about about the 3rd dimension. there is also this prophetic sink to you and to everything you say and right, i mean when i look back at me for i've been dead at the way you described the totally terry and right wing angle and then is right now we're getting personification of it. in the proxy party, i mean just kind of feel like and not only that word,

a lot of other words do you feel like cassandra, who's processes are coming to and you can't really do anything about them. lo, some times that can be a little bit worrying, not with all he wrote laughing 1991 and i was thinking about let's say in the far future, which would be the far distant world of 1997. i thought. all right, so how are we going to might the reader understand? this is a fascist totalitarian. just thought of, you know, well you could put say cameras on every street corner. that's a pretty fascist touch. so imagine my surprise when the tony blair live a government which was basically a different flavor of conservative government. but when i came into power in 1997 and immediately rolled out security cameras across the entire country. a wondered

whether they had perhaps been enormous belief then that in their yeah, this was probably more vote. and so my, it's, i'm fairly intelligent and i read an awful lot about the trends in the world, whether the political or so on thursday, or any other phone. and so, oh, so travel. pretty good, tara reading. oh, so i'm probably going to get it wrote pops more than 50 percent of its own. i mean certainly do. including the trends as well. i'm in the whole mask wearing thing. it's something that you set where your comics. right. i mean we, we see people wearing masks, now they want to be anonymous, right? because you set the superheroes than doing they don't exist. these are just regular

people who put home ask when people put on masks, it's usually usually correct me if i'm wrong, to hide their psychotic disorders or fears. yes, all that right. i mean, a lot of been quoted when i was in a bad mood about home. it's not, could have been any time during the last 40 years. but i always asked about the origins of types and masks in the superhero genre, and always said, oh, you need to know about types and mosques in american superhero. comics can be learned. boy, a close viewing of d. w group. it's both of the nation because i genuinely believe that that is where all comes from the all it we don't have math, a tradition of mouth heroes. really anywhere else in the world apart from america. i mean going full to the vendor to mosque is based upon that wasn't

a mask. that was his vice for robin hood for that was his name. he wasn't wearing a mask, but i think that there is some things that possibly dies back to those. the who called clown intervention in both of the nation the idea of dressing up in a mosque so that what you do doesn't get back to you. it's a form of evasion. ok. so, but i can completely understand it in the context of the modern protest movements. but what about the context of the, of the internet right now? i mean, it's like a free, accessible way, and it's sort of the replacement of the mask. you get to be the freaks that you want to be when really knowing who you are on the thing or a bad thing about it is

a very bad thing, a lot more friendly. also, jarrett come back, he was pointing out that some yet anonymity on the internet the allows all of these trolls and much worse. so to invite everybody's lloyd's, that wasn't a glitch. that was a feature that the people who does owens the internet is owens, are in as a feature. it wasn't a mistake and is enabled the very worst elements of society to spread their influence throughout the entire organism. so no, i'm not a huge fan of an embassy. i'm very pleased. the annoying to the all i had on all those years ago has been useful to mountain protest movements. and most of

them i'm home. we've been, however, ok, there was a point where i was showing some footage of children in tennessee in playground. this would've been a couple weeks before the revolution in tunisia, which sparked off the arab spring, began they showed them were wearing boot for the masks and, and then yes, i think anonymous dot the tuners in government. i released all of the documents to the students in playful back off the revolution. and then anonymous moved on to egypt, where they did the same thing. and then they moved on to syria. ah, where it didn't really go so well. kind of got out of here,

and so all would avoid again into the evening. and in such a drastic why in the modern world where you're talking about vol confrontations where people will be killed. possibly not the people who released all the documents on the internet. but the people on the street, people are going to be hurt, people are going to be killed. and eventually it might lead to an insoluble blue box area. and this is a chaotic world. is a world where it for the butterfly effect it's, it's working according to the principles of kind of mathematics where a tiny little influence from somewhere in the world complex right through the entire system that have massive repercussions. at this point, we are probably having as many always does

as in the intolerable previous human history, every 2 or 3 months. because that is the price. this is like seller. i think thing . so we've accumulated all of this information and with that information, we're the cumulative complexity. as a species, we are really not good at dealing with complexity. allen will the way back when we're back. we'll continue talking to alan moore. big thinker, graphic novelist, author, performer, talking about life statement, ah

ah, [000:00:00;00] ah, ah, ah, imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century water, the chapters cold gun violence from school shootings, homelessness 1st with my job and then it was my family didn't was my savings. i have nothing, i have nothing and it's not like i don't try. i look for resources, i look for jobs. i look for everything i can to make this house. and i end up doing is passing along the road to the american dream,

paved with dead refugees. it's this very idealized image of this. older america makes americans look past the depths that happen every single day. this is a modem. history of the usa, my america. oh, naughty ah and we're back with janice allen moore. well up here is a minute. i know you're taking superheroes. you're saying that people cowards make super here is up to car up their own complexes. but what about heroism? without the prefix super? do you think it exists in the world and if yes, then what is it?

i think good. yes, it does exist. but we have to be careful of it. um, whenever you see an extraordinary person who is doing a lot of the work, the rest of the space he should be doing and he's doing a great job. i'm thinking of people at the moment, people with somebody who is hiking on an enormous why of responsibility because she knows that she ask, i'm not really talking about cherishing someone as a hero, but at a personal understanding of what a heroism is like, for instance, a lot of people think like they need to be grad us in order to be heroes. like they feel like you need to save the world in order to be here. when to me it's enough to help an elderly person cross the street. if that's the only thing you can do it that the best and that's here is i'm to now of course, of course, it is an every die heroism to choose to do the role it thing rather than

not to do the right thing. these are moments of heroism. they are basically what hold the culture, the species together without them would be no way. so they are vocally important. oh, yes, on all for heroes, and i have my own heroes. oh boy. oh, don't always william blake. i don't think that there was probably a better human day in the entire british history. there is a lot of talk about who you might be from your heroes and our to hear us. who do you think you are? i mean, the most common answer is kasha, even though you don't wear a mask. what do you think your from your here is to love them? that's what being a reuter is. they are all facets of you. because i think the all of us, oh probably got everybody else and saw it somewhere. it's just a matter of searching through the files until you fall in the wrong one. and then

some of those things oh bit. so decorating it a little bit, making it into a real flush and both figure. but they're all me basically i, i believe you can take a little twist. i know magic is something that is very important to you. it is to me to where does magic come in and all of this everything that we've been talking about, the books, the comics, the life or human race. where does it come in? we are used to having voices and i to 1000 lee or sudden vivid memories of something or vivid pictures. because we know what the mind is, or at least we have a decent idea of what the moment is. we understand things what the on conscious we have a concept of motion. but sir, our ancestors, they have no such conception. so where could those voices, those visions,

those images becoming from accept from the gods, from spirits? ah, it was a natural why of perceiving the world. and i believe that the early challenge over in their dancing around the camp fire disguised as animals. oh perhaps knocking together bones to make a rhythmic sound. i think the in that we have the origins of all modern culture. ha ha, from possibly sport. oh, with mo, been load the hunters showing off or something, but all the rest of the off. we saw it says, i go back to that figure. what's the common denominator between magic hour is a terry and art because you always say super closely. intertwined. well, i think that the same thing. i think that when we did, when we discovered consciousness and the language,

then arts and magic were part of the same equation. that off and magic are both concerned with taking something which does not exist. and then bringing it into, manifestation. this is not done by i'm saying a few words, i'm throwing some powders into a brazier and mike and just, you know, it's still only working for a couple of years. something really, really hard. so you've had no idea for a book that doesn't exist anywhere except in your mind is a less than 80001000. unless you bring all of your personality, your abilities to bear and are prepared to go through, however long it types of serious hard work. and then at the end of that you will

have jerusalem. you will have brought something into materials i should know of the existence of the voice. okay? so for you, magic is actually creating something from consciousness mind to real life, what not doing rights. and sometimes there will be roads involved as well. not to, you know, since i was started because i think the only needed the spectacular results to convince me that there was something worth pursuing in all of this back then. yeah, we had some unusual experiences, always throwing out all of the things the magicians are supposed to be able to do. i found myself on one of the evening talking to something which i believe if claims to be a demon. no one was 1st mentioned in the book of talbot. in the

apocryphal, with the same damon turns up in jerusalem. because all of phil, i have a working knowledge of him. but for now, these things might have been loose and i should know this is quote possible, some sort of thought to get the so but they were part of my experience. they were things that i believe were real. i've heard a lot of people say, same thing about like trying i was, or l is the and they're saying, you know, it just makes so much more sense the world that will live in after you've taken an experience this, you know, other reality or the only real reality, but you just said in 5 d instead of 2 d. so, but i know that you were like saying the conspiracy theories are actually made up by people to make sense of the celtic world that we live in. because if we really were truly faced with the cows in the world, we wouldn't take it. does magic help you deal with that couse? i think it does. and i think the also

a soaker delicate spirit word for the deli williams soul revealing on which is a clickable to magic has to a dose of l. s. d o. oscar also solving the 2. so good drugs, particularly so, so it is to actually in pair a number of the connections that you have built up during the course of your voice and your engagement with society and with other people. so you build up restraints upon your thinking. the bills in the why that you think the why that the old thing. but these saw kadelli drugs bright down those restraints. so the ass fight of consciousness is actually much more like the start of consciousness that we had when we were pre verbal infants. apparently i was reading

in one of my favorite songs, magazines, new scientist. it was saying that if you want to experience what it's like to be in, in, and it says, i go to paris a drink, lots of worn. how about i coffee fall in love. so smoke 3 packs was your tines. um and then yes, you will definitely be why can you up at 3 in the morning crying without knowing boy, oh, absent, yes, it did the people in new scientists besides to which we would only side. yes. and types of magic mushrooms as well. then you will complete the re create the state of consciousness that we have when we were children. if magic could bring about that point of changing consciousness or off to bring about that point of changing consciousness. in the ridges in the audience,

then that would surely it's my purpose. it's mine justification. the main reason for doing it just to try and spread propaganda for a state of mind. that useful ideas that people might fall in handy in getting to the lowest the mall. it might get a better thought. is that surely the only reason for doing any off to troy? and if you think that you have all it is that might be useful to other people, then art is a wonderful mystical, esoteric why? of placing your thoughts into somebody else's mind? um and i think that as the basis is what those people dancing around the prehistoric fall as we're doing. and i think it's what any modern artist or roles are all me, little musician is doing when they say i thank you so much. i love every minute of

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