received an effort to discuss it and now joined by month loading with suit brother of the late resistance, later on my chat message and warmack innocence, ambassador to the united kingdom ambassador miss it. it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for finding the time. you're welcome. thank you very much. thank you. now, a few days after the taliban claimed it took full control off afghanistan. you called for international support and i assume and agreeing to this interview, you're also seeking to mobilize the international public opinion. and i know that you are clearly mistrustful of the taliban. you have reasons for holding that opinion, but i wonder why i, you know, equally skeptical or cynical of the so called international community because foreign powers have used your country so cruelly, so cynically, for so many years. why ask for their support now? thanks very much. well, let me 1st, i agree that i totally agree,

that unfortunately our 10 feet have been used and misuse. and no matter how much we try to make something at the end of the day and something to cancel because of their own interest. they use our county once again, we go back for 10 years for 20, for 10 years. 20. that has been a very unfortunate scenario for us. what of course, when we raised our voice, we're not on the kind of skeptical about the taliban, but of course about the back us about players will using avalon, a son as a scapegoat, as a game, as a playground, as a mag counsel rivalry for what that does is to ask guns to so our people what the victim will really paying the price. we're paying very heavy price. let's say recently we have after 20 years that out people built some life. it was all just basic. but and 40 once again, the plate again,

the whole thing like that. once again, we go back 20 years back now we have to start to get from the scratch from digital . what we all come to point in our lives, in our countries when we have to choose whether our amity for something is bigger than our law for something. and i you clearly have many grievances with the taliban . i wonder though if it's at this point that bigger than your concern for the country canyon, this is a scenario under which you are very different visions for the country could be somehow reconciled. we have been trying very hard and not to get that for the past one half years. there have been us on notice 2 piece process that up on the sun and international community. really committed themselves to back that peace process. and that is why the people off of want to son know confident that they didn't update this piece process which is back. but it alicia community was somehow succeed. what's happening then some class comes and the whole piece process me

a scrap under that sort of critic sorta piece of an attack. some players come and they just want to enhance to spoken their own interest on a song. so it means a who can we trust? i'm who i wasn't here, i mean, the only people you can trust the people of afghanistan and, and the very least they tell them plain to represent some of them. why do you believe that the international community, whatever i promised you, you can actually deliver that because i cannot remember a single example when it comes to the kids there. if you can see when they have actually growing that, that words work and result into something tangible well, as used to put it right, the dead man do people, we have to really process the people of our fonts. and we did, of course, we tried our best, but again, as the proxy water starts, then of course, we have to really look at bliss. people who are being used. if even if they are

asked guns against, asked guns against people off was what i guess our country will have to raise our voice. i mean, we tried very hard. let me say that, not now. even when my brother was alive, he tried his best to reach a sort of reconciliation with the toddler box. he himself went along to the stronghold of the parliament, met with the leadership of the trial upon alone, only with one got to really see if there is a compromise who did as a kind of a space to do it. but of which it did not happen. why? because the taliban or not the master of your own destiny. so therefore, some other people can dictate to tolerant policy or you're being use of the proxy force. and of course, the end result of the same. a boy who is that? exactly? been using the taliban because many conspiracy theories around the indian national politics. who do you think stands behind the taliban at this moment?

well, i mean, apart from the conspiracy choose, we all know that i focused on have been there based on support that of the target on. there is no doubt about this one. we all know that group isn't of the united states. a staunch supporter to turn on he was the one who really reached back me with a ton a bunch we did not the content of the demon, but he was the one who really kind of brought about the situation today that you're seeing it. i find a stop and of course, like them to many others we'll play in the same sort of game. so i said, i'm sorry for investment, but i saying that despite the fact that americans have essentially a laugh, that they are now using the child. and as that proxy on the ground, is that what you're trying to suggest here? well, it'd be represented by dr. phil, is that a surely that he as a special representative for them, it again to bring peace and i've thought of son is responsible for the situation

and up wasn't today especially that now there are talks about that that was not this went up to turn on we change the situation altogether, but it was the arrangement by dr. phil is up, and some others would deliver the power from the government to the tyler bond. that is now ready to take scenario. because every general, every politician was involved in the center of a lot of fun. not admitting that that was not because of his neck of the tunnel that was worked out beforehand, especially by goose water plant. now you said recently that there are thousands of the taliban fighters dorm and in the past year valley, why i'm a dormant and what needs to happen for them to be a way can well, let's do that at the beginning when the time on came, of course before the telephone came, the ghost of the telephone came. there was so much publicity that the telephone was so strong. so that was one of the 2nd because of some sort of arrangement. as i

mentioned, my doctor is up by doctor and i need my doctor, my, my son, i just told him to go out of put the tunnel on came to the seed. but then people were shock that it was such a big, powerful force, so called a taller one. so therefore, to complete the shock now was the problem i've taken over. people have realized the look around and so to look, it was not the same as spent as they used to be as not. now the people are coming up and coming back to say, look, we have to resist for our country. we have to label it. that is why we are saying that today is not only talent, tens of thousands of ballenger fighters were fighting for deliberation. honestly, that's what it is today right now in the gram with the ambassador miss it. if you believe the provisions you are the taliban ideas about afghanistan is so strong. why do you need to call for international support? isn't that actually, you know, the greatest thing that could happen to any society your own, you know, social force is being mobilized and galvanized you directly on future and you

should have no reason to complain about it. well, let's put a dispute. as i mentioned that the study grows now it's almost one and a half months that the top one have taken over. now we can see the sports are coming up. now one will then to do something. but at the same time, we really have to kind of cleared the mind of the people, the public opinion that this the situation we have to really tell them that our country is in that situation. there are some ports are coming from outside. it's kind of a proxy what don't spend our country have been use for the interest of those people . we will have to call for international support if you believe that this isn't a national terrorism, or the top one is part of the international carol networks. of course we need some cuts and so much a support at least at the level of a political or moral support to say look, you're right and you're wrong. so we really kind of one who's supporters of the top

on to back down. you see, every day we can hear that you're calling for the completion of the problem. we need to have to kind of tell the world that this is your more support to back down from that to completion. because if you recognize that one would be a big mistake like you have done right now, while there is clearly no, i've heard international support. i think there has clearly been as laurie of backdoor diplomatic activity. i know for a fact that the russian officials have doubled down the triple down there raising diplomacy, as i'm sure, have many other countries. and i think the regional consensus for now is to make sure that what happens in afghanistan state in afghanistan. what do you think about this approach? we all know that there because each country have got there one interest. we know that i find a supplement, not only an african problem. it's kind of a deep political problem of different countries and both. and i found some, we know that one, but at the same time, as you said at the beginning, right,

we ask on people, we have the right to, we kind of make sure that we should survive the whole kind of bad games. we have to make that enough kelvin column for the installation. cumulative stuff want to start . this is not a playground for the forced on game like that. we have to make sure to tell our people to give them the confidence that we are here for you. and we really kind of, i mean, we have to make sure many, many things. so therefore, what you're saying is that since it's a very deep down to political changes and i want to son, and it will take much longer time to really determine what can happen. so therefore, since this our company, we have to determine that our people can sort of vice a message. this is exactly what i think your neighbors are doing. of course, to find out what is rather than madeline in your affairs as they have done for many, many years. they have learned the hard way that plague proxy games in afghanistan never brings anything valuable. it always ends up costing more. so it is,

you know, then for calling for international support. yes, let me grab when we sit up in the list that's worth it. let's say, can we call on our neighbor to really kind of see relief? i've got a son to help us find a son as afghanistan, one to go on. some florida monitoring for that should be called for the extra regional power to sort of well this up on it. so we have so much of history time is to kind of everybody have to kind of sort of consensus around us kind of stuff. we have got the right to really call because as i mentioned before, this is not the problem of the ask on themselves inside of one isn't only just a much deeper problem of different countries be played and i've gone to some so that's why you're calling on sellers to support, but it does not mean that you should not be to work on a fit you're supposed to have been doing it. i mean, look, as i mentioned before, 20 years ago when my brother was

a life we was did want to see how exactly we can commit it to talk about our position and 20 years back to still we're kind of kind of looking forward to see how exactly, we can make sure that this is afghanistan. what i've got to so we can reach that range from one end, it be easier to shoot without anyone sort of standing nearby and telling you how it should be done best. because i mean, i think i'm in, in my years of power international politics, international support never comes without change the task, if there is some power that is supposed to be helping you always want something in return. now you have to tell them clearly not been most friendly looking government, but shouldn't be given a try. simply because it seems to be the grassroots forest as ugly as it may be. they come from afghanistan and perhaps they have all does have own interest in seeing the country develop as i mentioned before,

but it passed one hm. years there was a peace process going god, what happened at the end of today that was rejected all together for, for about a month and a half and it usually takes longer even in the most establish democracy is to form a functioning government. should you give them, you know, a here a couple of years before we actually come up with a judgment, whether you know they are worth, are sold or not one at this moment, the bond isn't there in the field. i mean, yeah, i've got a funny son broke up. i thought, finest fun. there wasn't their feel they have to take the initiative. what exactly they can do so far, what we can see, look at the government, look at the cabinet, look at their policies. look at that, they're unable to deliver for you. people have wanted to look at the power to look at. look at it. we have not had it well, and that's at a message. let's look at all those things after a very short break and we'll be back to the discussion in just a moment. thank you. ah

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much faster and format genesis ambassador to the united kingdom ambassador mentioned before the break, we started talking about the taliban and clearly you see them being said for governance, your actual said that there's not much difference. it's been been one and a taliban. what they used to be in the 19 ninety's, but there's clearly a difference between fighting the mountain ranges and ronnie social affairs, even in the form. so even if there is no change in ideology, there is clearly a change in our priorities in means of achieving them as well as in the immediate considerations. doesn't that count for something? well, now that my missing that a lot of things have changed. but unfortunately, what, what is the changes 20 years ago, the taliban were different today or more violent than ever before. 20 years ago.

the really kind of the stick with center of principal, so called principal to they do not have none of the principal at all, except that they are using this principle and has their own interest. but years ago, there was some sort of kind of dialogue with the others to see what they can do. today. they are so kind of restrict, they are limited to each other. they are taking one cabinet from one 5th, misty call question and from and from inside question do just completely concentrate on what's called the so called upon. the do not give no power shooting for anybody, for any of it is not to call you that. and i want to say there are more than 34 of them are larger this if you, one of them is a spot of just a fraction of question. so one of the right of the adder quite 2 years ago, i mean, 20 years ago, there was me probably one other, an international terrorist network. but today you have got to actually what different was for international terrace network along around the globe. so

therefore, unfortunately the change has changed from back to worse, not better, not better. now i know that you have called for the creation of the taliban resistance government and it's been reported in the media that some members of your extended family even saw to guess of course, like this idea from foreign powers. but so far, none of them were b, a, russia, france, none of them have endorsed it. why do you think more in power is, are so has it and about, for me, some sort of a shadow or resistance government. you split it this week. i mean, different, a national cube, we need to do a lot, everything in a fun song right now. as i mentioned at the beginning that the tuition, the problem of a lot of sun is not merely ask one problem. it's a deep done political problem, which in most many countries, many players. so therefore you can see that the different countries are making

maneuver, you know, but they are not making kind of decision because this state is so big, so high. so therefore, no, but look at the thought of a situation. almost one have gone one months gone, but it still does no countries ready to recognize a ton upon the government. i'm not even ready to engage with the tal about. so the situation is kind of a general situation, all of a fun to some that let's talk about this issue of recognition because i find it very interesting in science and very characteristic of modern day your project. because on the one hand, nobody is in rush to recognize the government or even sort of legitimize it by removing its terrorist label. but on the other hand, everybody is in talk with the taliban. and it is to be a rather convenient situation for the so called international community, which lies to raise or pay lip service to international law. but also engaging with formally a terrorist group behind closed doors. and would you actually see the situation

continue with them pretending that you know, the child is still a terrorist organization? would you rather have them recognize it so that they can assume some responsibility for when they're dealing with? well, let's put a dispute that what exactly the installation committee of the question asked for all about is that too fast and was to cut tie with the terrorist network? you're not able to tie which international tera smith work, because you're parked off to call upon the cannot catch me. going to go to people who really initially had to touch on to take over. so therefore they cannot enter mission committee cannot accept the situation. the 2nd, it's all about have not been able to really introduce a government which could really represent up on the church because their policy are so rigid, it kind of completely goes concrete to what the universal values johnson about the woman about the men about the request about education and empathy. and another

thing which is really kind of consented on the committee since the game is everywhere else, kind of everybody kind of waiting to see what happens to the next game. so then they can decide inside a fun son. so it means that a lot of so have been played for a much bigger game. so elsewhere rather than i want to send it so that is why you cannot make up their minds so quickly. now i apologize for my next question because it may come across as condescending, but i'm asking simply because i don't know the situation on the ground. well enough after so many here is of violence. do you think the society still has this capacity of managing its affairs civilly and al, sent it out to me is wanting to violence, but also without pretending to be what it is. not because for many years, i think, especially under the american occupation, i'm can institutions by which i'm going to be what they were not. well, i mean, let's put it that says so when i make the left,

there was expectation that when they leave they can leave responsibility. then the people are wasn't, can bill what is going to achieve for the past 20 years. but unfortunately they left their responsibility. the situation company, they came in to the situation and now it's kind of blues kind of possibility, which was that everything to strike. now, i'll check the deconstruct question again. and they have to struggle from the zeal, of course, provided that if the total on allow that situation really prevail, it's becoming kind of difficult. i mean there was some after 20. are there a sense of confidence that the afghan spend a bit similar block? we can make it out so we can change our so we can build a new america. have everybody look. but now when it says the title one kid, that's sort of cod fitness, who died right now. it has died. let us know card for this book is sort of part of this. not only as a politician i see or a political border is it. this is the common after people who set up on their hopes,

direct dreams that has died because of the situation. and i say, i say i strongly sympathize and emphasize empathize your feelings because as a, you know, as a child of the former soviet union, i've been with that i've seen a situation when one day you wake up and you can choose no more. and all that worked yesterday is no longer working, but i also leave. i know that from the experience that that would be built in the country. it's people together and it counts only on it sounds not on some of it, somebody else's, but on its own resources. that's why i'm asking you whether you think there is still a capacity for the afghans despite the asset of the taliban and the real danger that it represents to many members of your society. i don't want. do you think the energy of wanting to turn the taliban into a beautiful country then it is

a very rich frenchman, by the way, both in terms of mineral resources and, and geographic location. do you think there is enough energy laughs in your country? it's you, you know, for a garrison to truly play, take its deserve place in the world. let's put it dissipated. i mean, got to that question. if we really want to have something and i find a son a peaceful up on us, on a prosperous off on a 2nd question which can depend on itself. we don't, we have but 2 alternative one is desk and i'm sort of have to reach out of consensus amongst them. so i guess is the 1st letter of the set up on the 2nd piece and i found some which is completed related to the fuss club is that in regional companies have to reach suntrust conferences about that kind of stuff. so this is the one player, this is the 2nd player. what to put a can come together in that with the thought of some douglas truck. but the problem is that we don't have it inside punch. this is neither the outside crunches. but

when we try to really kind of reach a sort of insight consensus, of course it is the problem. there are other ideally called problem delta care effort, things, but so far as we try to reach then of course some player comes and you have got their own agenda and i've got a son, sam, corrupt politician. they go along with intervention was to get our country up to the same sort of cycle at the same time when we, what we decide to get other regional country to come to some sort of consensus. once again, every other regional countries have got different gender, different views. so therefore, we have not been able tend to force a note in our funds that has been affected by each other. it's not the only africans like them. we have got one was 6 neighbors, all their neighbors still kind of affecting the situation of what i said. i only have time for one more question and i want it to be a hypothetical question. there is a human saying that better and,

and with band and pain without ending. and if actually honest, i think we have to have met at the last couple of years. american presence in afghanistan has essentially at, i'm essentially maintained the state of limbo with some semblance of security, but with very, very little social progress. it was just expanding the necessary let's see. the americans had paid for another day. he g thing that we have him for the situation in the country. no, what i'm trying to say is this. after america wanted to go. of course, welcome to go. what we wanted. we ask that when you go after 20 years, you better go to responsibly. not to give it to hand it over to the tyler on not to kind of set up. ok, let me know if there is no other responsibility. power over spot. that is supposed to be means a dick in 20 years ago. and i found

a stand for the goal of routing out terrorism for the goal of completely wiping out there were enough protest on d can get to somehow help. one isn't too big mission to state ok with which we should not expect kind of new nation to state building. but we expect that the american came for the same goal of looking at carolyn, but after 20 years from tom, i want to talk about frontiers of the present test disposable. just responsible. if only did make sure that what became for fruit on terrorism, and they left the country for us for our cell, while school dockwood, the investment of the international committee, together with the african people we could have built on to stick. but in push that did not happen. now, why did that happen just completely out of the story. i'm messing at the 50 for longer. it would have been processed. no, i do believe in what you say that i've not done at the end of the day. we have to depend on ourselves. we have to depend on resources, you have to depend on geography to reach consistency. we do believe in that but

provided that we are being allowed to do so look good 2 years ago that make addicted to holton brought one president after another president need to come out and post everybody there on us. after 220 years. the give it back to the title, but now some other countries are invoked. so this is kind of, as i mentioned, i'll type situation. yes, you're right. we have to do it ourselves. but to see if we can a 5 minute question for the last hope and pray for that. that's a message we have to leave it there. thank you very much for sharing it. thank you . thank you. and thank you for watching you hope to see you again next week on the world's apart. ah, with me

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