unfortunately, our county have been used and misused and no matter how much we try to make something at the end of the day and something to cancel because of their own interest, they use our county. once again, we go back for 10 years for 20, for 10 years. 20. that has been a very unfortunate scenario for us. what of course, when we raised our voice, we're not on the kind of skeptical about the taliban. but of course, about the back us about players will using avalon, a son as a scapegoat, as a game, as a playground, as a counsel rivalry, for one of that this is the afghans, the so our people what the victim will really paying the price very heavy price, listen recently we have paid after 20 years that out people built some life. it was all just basic and 40 once again, the plate again, the whole thing like that was again, we go back 20 years back now we have to start to get from the scratch from digital

. what we all come to point in our lives, in our countries when we have to choose whether our amity for something is bigger than our law for something. and i you clearly have many grievances when the taliban . i wonder though if it's at this point that bigger than your concern for the country canyon. this edge a scenario under which your very different vision for the country could be somehow reconciled. we have been trying very hard and not to get that for the past. when you have hears the unhappiness on notice talks of peace pro, set up on the sun and international community really committed themselves to back that peace process. and that is why the people off of want to son know confident at the end of this piece process, which is backed by the intellectual community, was somehow succeed. what, what happened then some players come and the whole piece process scrap under

that. so it's sort of piece of an attack, some players come and they just want to enhance to strengthen their own interest and i promise on. so it is a who can request. i'm who, i mean the only people you can trust the people of afghanistan and, and the very least they tell them plain to represent some of them. why do you believe that the international community, whatever i promised you, you can actually deliver that? because i cannot remember a single example when it comes to the case there of your country when they have actually growing that bad words work and result into something tangible. well, as used to put it right, the dead man, the people we have to really process the people of our fonts. and we did, of course we tried our best, but again, as the proxy water starts, then of course we have to really look at bliss. people who are being used, if, even if they are asked guns against,

ask guns against people for us. and i guess our country will have to raise our voice. i mean, we tried very hard. let me say that, not now. even when my brother was alive, he tried his best to reach a sort of reconciliation with the toddler. but he himself went along to the stronghold of the parliament, met with the leadership of the trial. upon alone, only with one got to really see if there is a compromise who did as a kind of a space to do it, but of which it did not happen. why? because the taliban or not the master of your own destiny. so therefore, some other people can dictate to tolerant policy or you're being use of the proxy force. and of course, the end result of the same a boy who is that exactly? been using the taliban because many conspiracy theories around in the national politics. who do you think stands behind the taliban at this moment? well, i mean, apart from the conspiracy choose,

we all know that i focused on have been there based on support that of the top on that is no doubt about this one. we all know that group isn't of the united states . a staunch supporter to turn on. he was the one who really reached back me with a ton a bunch we did not the content of the demon, but he was the one who really kind of brought about the situation today that we are seeing it. i find a sub. and of course, like them to many others, we'll play in the same sort of game. so i said, i'm sorry for, but i saying that despite the fact that americans have essentially data and laugh dan, now using the child. and as that proxy on the ground, is that what you're trying to suggest here? well, it'd be represented by dr. phil, is that a surely that he as a special representative for the american to bring peace and i've thought of son is responsible for the situation and up wasn't today especially that now there are talks about that that,

that was not this went up to turn on we change the situation altogether, but it was the arrangement by dr. phil is up, and some others would deliver the power from the government to the tyler bond. that is now ready, 6 scenario because every general, every politician was involved in this monitor off on notice mentioned that that was not because of his neck of the tunnel that was worked out beforehand, especially by goose water plant. now he said recently that there thousands of the taliban fighters dorm and they found your valley. why? i'm a dormant and what needs to happen for them to be a way can well, let's do that at the beginning when the time on came. of course, before the telephone came, the ghost of the telephone came. there was so much publicity that the telephone was so strong. so that was one of the 2nd because of some sort of arrangement. as i mentioned, my doctor is up by doctor and i need my doctor my my son i just told him to go out

of put the tunnel on came to the seed but didnt people were a shock that it was such a big powerful force so called a talent, so therefore to complete the shock now was the problem i've taken over. people have realized the look around and so to look, it was not the same as spent as they used to be. it's not now the people are coming up and coming back to say, look, we have to resist for our country. we have to live it. that is why you're saying that today is not only talent, tens of thousands of volunteers. fighters were fighting for deliberation. honestly, that's what it is today right now in the gram with the ambassador miss it. if you believe the positions you are the taliban ideas about afghanistan is so strong. why do you need to call for international support? isn't that actually, you know, the greatest thing that could happen to any society your own, you know, social force is being mobilized and galvanized you directly on future that you should have no reason to complain about it. well, let's with

a dispute. as i mentioned that the study grows now it's almost one and a half months that the top one have taken over. now we can see the sports or can we go? now one will then to do something. but at the same time, we really have to kind of cleared the mind of the people, the public opinion that the situation we have to really tell them that our country is in that situation. there are some ports are coming from outside. it's kind of a proxy word and our company has been use for the interest of those people. we will have to call for international support if you believe that this isn't a national terrorism, or the top one is part of the international carol networks. of course we do need a support at least at the level of a political or moral support to say look, you're right and you're wrong. so we've really kind of one who's supporters of the toner on to back down. you see, every day we can hear that you're calling for the completion of the problem. we

need to have to kind of tell the world that this is your more support to back down from that to completion. because if you recognize that one would be a big mistake like you have done right now, while there is clearly no, i've heard international support. i think there has clearly been as laurie of backdoor diplomatic activity. i know for a fact that the russian officials have double down if the triple down there, your agent is, as i'm sure, have many other countries. and i think the regional consensus for now is to make sure that what happens in afghanistan state in afghanistan. what do you think about this approach? we all know that there because each country have got their own interest. we know that i find a supplement not only and asking for them. it's kind of a deep political problem of different countries and votes, and i found some, we know that one. but at the same time, as you said at the beginning, right, we ask on people, we have the right to,

we kind of make sure that we should survive the whole kind of bad games. we have to make that enough kelvin column for the dilution cumulative stuff. want to start, this is not a playground for the forced on game like that. we have to make sure to tell our people to give them the confidence that we are here for you. and we really kind of, i mean, we have to make sure many, many things. so therefore, what you're saying is that since it's a very deep down to political changes and i want to son, and it will kick much longer time to really determine what can happen. so therefore, since this our company, we have to determine that our people can sort of vice a message. this is exactly what i think your neighbors are doing. of course, to find out what is rather than madeline in your affairs as they have done for many, many years. they have learned the hard way that plague proxy games in afghanistan never brings anything valuable. it always ends up costing more. so it is,

you know, then for calling for international support. yes, let me grab when we say that intellectual support, that is a, let's say, can we call on our neighbor to really kind of see relief. i've got a son to help us find a son as afghanistan, one to got one from florida minus and what should be called florida. excellent, regional power to sort of well this up on it. so we have so much of history. time is to kind of everybody have to come to sort of consensus around that kind of stuff . we have got the right to really call because as i mentioned before, this is not the problem of the ask on themselves inside of one isn't only just a much deeper problem of different countries being played and i've gone to some so that's why you're calling on sellers to support, but it does not mean that you should not be to work on a fair you're supposed to have been doing it. i mean, look, as i mentioned before, 20 years ago when my brother was a life, we will did what this, how exactly we can commit it,

but to talk about our position and 20 years back still, we're kind of kind of looking forward to see how exactly we can make sure that this is afghanistan, what i've got to so we can reach that range from one in a be easier to shoot without anyone. i sort of standing nearby and telling you how it should be done best, because, i mean, i think, i mean, in my years of power, international politics, international support never comes without change. the task, if there is some power that is supposed to be helping you always want something in return. now you have to tell them clearly not been most friendly looking government, but shouldn't be given a try. simply because it seems to be the grassroots force as ugly as it may be. they come from afghanistan and perhaps they have all does have own interest in seeing the country develop. as i mentioned before, but it passed one hm. years there was a piece process going gun,

what happened and then dr. date that was rejected on can give a for about a month and a half and it usually takes longer even in the most establish democracy is to form a functioning government. should you give them, you know, a here a couple of years before we actually come up with a judgment, whether you know they are worth they're sold or not one at this moment, the bond isn't there in the field. i mean, you have got a spot that wasn't their feel they have to take the initiative. what exactly they can do so far, what we can see, look at the government, look at the cabinet, look at their policies, look at that. they're unable to deliver for you. people have wanted to look at the power to look at. look at it. we have not had it well, and that's it. a message. let's look at all those things after a very short break and we'll be back to the discussion in just a moment. thank you. ah,

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hm. it was a party with my lima brother of the late resistance later my check my so and format and back there to the united kingdom. and that's what i said before the break, we started talking about the taliban. and clearly you see that being said, for governance, you actually said that there's not much difference between the one in de taliban and what they used to be in the 19 ninety's. but there's clearly a difference between fighting in the mountain ranges. ronnie, social affairs, even in the most repressive form. so even if there is no change in ideology, there is clearly a change in priorities in means of achieving them as well as in the immediate considerations. doesn't that count for something?

well, now that my missing that a lot of things have changed, but unfortunately what, what is the changes like years ago, the thought on were different today or more violent than ever before? 20 years ago. the really kind of the stick with center of principal. so talk to they do not have non pressik well at all except that they are using this principle can, has their own interest. but years ago there was some sort of kind of dialogue with the others to see what they can do today. they are so kind of restrict, you're limited to the ok chicken, one cabinet from one misty call question. and from and from inside question do just completely concentrate on what's called the so called pilot bun. did not get no powered shading for anybody else. and it's not the ones that are more than $34.00 of them are larger, that needs to be. one of them is question. especially this part of just a fraction of question. so what are the rights of the ad 20 years ago?

i mean, 20 years ago there was me probably one other, an international terrorist network close by that. but today i've got connection with different with for international terrorist network. i'm going to work around the group. so yes, well, unfortunately the teams have changed from back to worse. not better, not better. now, i know that you have to go with the creation of the talent bin resistance, government, and it's been reported in the media that some members of your extended family, even. so to get some support for this idea from foreign powers, but so far, none of them can be russia, france, none of them have endorsed. why do you think more in power is, are so has it and about for me, some sort of a shadow or resistance government. you split it this week. i mean, different international kid. we need to do a skeptical on everything and i find some right now, as i mentioned at the beginning that to keep situation. the problem of our plan

isn't, is not a merely ask one problem. it's a deep down political problem, which in most many countries, many players. so therefore you can see that the different countries, they are making maneuver, you know, but you're not making kind of decision because this state is so big, so high. so yes or no, but look at the thought of a situation almost when you have gone one half months gone. but still there is no country ready to recognize a title on the government and you're not even ready to engage with the tolerable. so the situation is kind of a general situation all of our fund. so let's talk about this issue of recognition because i find it very interesting and very characteristic of modern days. your point is because on the one hand, nobody is in rush, you recognize the government or even sort of legitimize it by removing its terrorist label. but on the other hand, everybody is in toss of the taliban. and it seems to be a rather convenient situation for the so called international community,

which lies to raise the order. they leave service international law, but also engaging, reformulate a terrorist group behind closed doors. and would you actually see the situation continue with them pretending that you know, the gentleman is still a terrorist organization, or would you rather have them recognize it so that they can assume some responsibility for who they're dealing with? well, let's put a dispute that what exactly the installation committee of the question asked for all about is that too fast and was to cut tie with the terrorist network? you're not able to cut tie with international tera smith work, because you're parked off to call upon the cannot catch me. going to go to people who really initially had to touch on to take over. so therefore they cannot enter mission committee cannot accept the situation. the 2nd, it's all about have not been able to really introduce a government which could really represent up on the turret because their policy are so rigid,

it kind of completely goes concrete to what the university values johnson about the woman about the men about the request about education and empathy and another thing which is really kind of concerned it's alicia committee, since the game is everywhere else, kind of everybody kind of waiting to see what happens to the next game. so then they can decide inside a fun son. so it means that a lot of so have been played for a much bigger game. so elsewhere rather than half, what isn't it? so that is why you cannot make up their minds so quickly. i apologize for my next question because it may come across as condescending, but i'm asking simply because i don't know the situation on the ground. well enough after so many here is of violence. do you think the society still has this capacity of managing its affairs civilly and al, sent me without resorting to violence, but also without pretending to be what it is? not because for many years, i think, especially under the american occupation,

i'm can institutions by pretending to be what they were not. well, i mean let's put it that since when i make the left, there was expectation that when they leave they can leave responsibility. then the people are, wasn't, can bill what is going to achieve for the past 20 years, but unfortunately, they left responsibly the situation company. they came into the situation and now it's kind of blues kind of possibility, which one to destroy. now i'll check that he can talk once again, then they have to start from 0, of course, provided that if the total on allow that situation really prevail, it's becoming kind of difficult. i mean, there was some after 20. are there a sense of confidence that the afghans kind of be similar looked we can make it are so we can change our so we can build a new about that. have everybody look. but now, when it says to title one kid,

that's sort of cod fitness, who did died right now? it has died. let us know cartoons poking sort of this. not only as a politician i see, or a political border is it. this is a common after people who are on their hopes you have dreams that has died because of the situation. and as i said, i strongly sympathize and emphasize the empathize of your feelings. because as a, you know, as a child of the former soviet union, i've been through that. i've seen a situation when one day you wake up and you can choose no more. and all that worth yesterday is no longer working. but i also leave to, i know that from a live experience that, that would be rebuilt in the country with its people together. and it counts only on it sounds not on some of it, somebody else's, but on its own resources. that's why i'm asking you whether you think there is still a capacity for the afghans despite the asset of the taliban and the real danger

that it represents to many members of your society. i don't want. do you think the energy of wanting to turn the taliban into a beautiful country then it is a very reach friendship, by the way, both in terms of mineral resources and, and geographic location. do you think there is enough anon to laugh in your country? it's you, you know, for, i've got his son to truly play, take its deserved place in the world. let's put it dissipated. i mean, think down to that question. if we really want to have something and i find a son, a peaceful up on us, on a prosperous or finest and a person which can depend on itself. we don't, we have but 2 alternative one is desk and i'm sort of have to reach out of consensus amongst themselves. this is the 1st letter of the set up on the 2nd plan of peace and i found a sum which is completed related to the fuss club is due in regional countries. have to reach some trust consensus about our honda structure. this is the one plan,

this is the 2nd plan. what to put a can come together induct with the thought of some douglas talk. but the problem is that we don't have to inside punch. this is neither the outside crunches. but when we try to really kind of reach a sort of insight consensus, of course, there is the problem. there are other ideological problem, delta care, everything. but so far as we try to reach then of course some player comes and you have got their own agenda and i've got a son, sam, corrupt but edition. they go along with them in a been to, to was again, our country come to the same sort of cycle at the same time when we, what we decide to get other regional countries to come to some sort of consensus. once again, every other regional countries have got different gender, different views. so therefore, we have not been able tend to force a note in our funds that has been effected by each other. it's not only africans like them. we have got one was 6 neighbors,

all their neighbors still kind of affecting the situation of why i missed it. i only have time for one more question and i want it to be a hypothetical question. there is a human saying that better and, and with band and pain without ending. and if actually, honest, i think we have to have met at the last couple of years. american presence in afghanistan as essentially have essentially maintained the state of limbo with some semblance of security, but with very, very little social progress. it was just expanding the necessary let's see, the americans had paid for another day. do you think that would have improved the situation in the country? no. what i'm trying to say is this. after america wanted to go. of course, welcome to go. what, what we wanted. we ask that when you go after 20 years, you better go to responsibly. not to give it to hand it over to the tyler on not to

kind of set up. ok, let me know if there is no other responsibility. power over spot. but as opposed to really means a decade 20 years ago. and i found a stand for the goal of routing out terrorism for the goal of completely wiping out there were enough protest on the can get to somehow help up on a sent to big mission to state ok. we can, we should not expect kind of new nation to state building, but we expect that the american came for the same goal of who to go care. but after 20 years from top one to talk about frontiers of to present cash, not disposable, just responsible. if only did make sure that what became for fruit on terrorism, and they left the country for us for our cell, while school dockwood, the investment of the international committee, together with the african people we could have built on to stick. but in push that did not happen. now, why did that happen just completely out of the story. i'm messing at the 50 for longer. it would have been processed. no,

i do believe in what you say that i've not done at the end of the day. we have to depend on ourselves. we have to depend our resources, we have to depend on geography to reach consistency. we do believe in that but, but provided that we are being allowed to do so look good 2 years ago. got me conducted the whole thing brought one president after another president need to come out and post everybody there on us after 220 years. the give it back to the title, but now some other countries are invoked. so this is kind of, as i mentioned, i'll type situation. yes, you're right. we have to do it ourselves. but to see if we can a 5 minute question for the last hope and pray for that doesn't necessarily have to leave it there. thank you very much for sharing it. thank you. thank you. and thank you for watching you hope to see you again next week. on the world's apart, ah,

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