well, of course, when we leave our voice, we're not on the kind of skeptical about the taliban. but of course about the back us about players will using avalon, a son as a scapegoat, as a game, as a playground, as a mag counsel rivalry. what that does is the ap guns, the so our people, what the victim will really paying the price we're paying very heavy price. listen recently, we have great after 20 years that out people built some life. it was all just basic . but on 40, once again, the played again, the whole thing like that was a game to go back on 2 years back now have to start to get from the scratch, from digital. what we all come to point in our lives, in our countries when we have to choose whether our amity for something is bigger than our law for something. and i, you clearly have many grievances with the taliban. i wonder though if it's at this

point that bigger than your concern for the country canyon this edge a scenario under which your very different vision for the country could be somehow reconciled. we have been trying very hard and not to i get that for the past one half years. there have been us on notice to close piece process that up on the sun . an international community really committed themselves to back that peace process . and that is why do people off of, honest, on, you know, confident at the end of this piece process which is backed by the international community was somehow succeed. what happened then? some players come and a whole piece process me a scrap under that sort of politic sort of piece of an attack. some players come and they just want to enhance to strengthen their own interest and i promised them . so it is a who can request. i mean, who i was and he asked me the only people you can trust the people of afghanistan and, and the very least they tell them to represent some of them. why do you believe

that the international community, whatever a promise to you can actually deliver that? because i cannot remember a single example when it comes to the case there of your country when they have actually growing that bad words work and resulting to something tangible. well, as we used to put a brightly dead man to people, we have to really process the people who have plants and we did, of course, we'd find our best. but again, as the proxy water starts, then of course we have to really look at bliss. people who are being used, if, even if they are asked guns against ask guns, i guess the people off was what i guess our country will have to raise our voice. i mean, we tried very hard. let me say that, not now. even when my brother was alive, he tried his best to reach a sort of reconciliation with a ton of money. he himself went along to the stronghold of the tall about mid with the leadership of the trailer on alone, only with one got to really see if there's

a compromise who did as a kind of a space to do it. but of which it did not happen. why? because the taliban are not the master of your own destiny. so therefore some other people do that dictates to tell about policy on your being use of the proxy force. and of course, the end result of the same, a boy who is that exactly what's been using the taliban? because in many conspiracy theories around the indian national politics. who do you think stands behind the taliban at this moment? well, i mean, apart from the conspiracy choose, we all know that i focused on have been there based on support that of the top on. that is no doubt about the sponge. we all know that group isn't of the united states. a staunch supporter to turn upon he was the one who really reached that moment with the target bunch. we did not the content of the demon, but he was the one who really kind of brought about the situation today that we are

seeing it are fun to stop. and of course like them to many others were playing the same sort of game. so i saying, i'm sorry for interactive, but i saying that despite the fact that the americans have essentially a laugh, that they're now using the child. and as that proxy on the ground, is that what you're trying to suggest here? well, if the american have been represented by dr. phil, is that a surely that he as a special representative for the american to bring peace and i've thought of son is responsible for the situation that wasn't today, especially that now there are talks about that this was not, this went up to trying to bunch we change the situation altogether, but it was arrangement by that result and some others would deliver the power from designing government to the tyler block that is now ready. 6 scenario because every general, every politician, well i've been involved in the center of a lot of fun making that that was not because of history of the tunnel that was

worked out beforehand, especially by blue sport and plant. now he said recently that there thousands of the taliban fighters dorm and in a banjo valley, why i'm a dormant and what needs to happen for that to be a way can well, let's do that at the beginning when the trial of on came, of course, before the call on came the ghost of the town came. there was so much publicity that the telephone was so strong. so that was monday. the the 2nd because of some sort of arrangement as i mission. my doctor is up by doctor. i need my doctor, my, my son goes to one of the government that was put the tournament came to the seed. but then people were in shock that it was such a big, powerful force, so called the telephone. so there are 2 completely shock. now was the problem i've taken over. people have realized, look at other children. look, it was not the same as trent, as they used to be

a snug. now the people are coming up and coming back to say, look, you have to resist for our country. we have to live it. that is why you're saying that the date is not on the 2000. 10 is of how this whole body just fight those were fighting for deliberation of i've got a son, that's what it is today right now. and graham, and i sort of miss it if you believe they all positions you the talent and ideas about afghanistan, a so strong. why do you need to call for international support? isn't that actually, you know, the greatest thing that would happen to any society your own, you know, social forces being mobilized and galvanized, you direct your own future that you should have no reason to complain about it? well, let's put a dispute. as i mentioned that the study grows now it's almost one and a half months that the top one have taken over. now we can see the sports are coming up. now one will then to do something. but at the same time, we really have to kind of clear the mind of the people, the public opinion that this the situation we have to really tell them that our

country is in that situation. there are some ports are coming from outside. it's kind of a proxy word and get our country have been use for the interest of the people. we did have the core for international support. if you believe that this isn't a national terrorism, or the top one is part of the international carol networks. of course we need some proof and some measure support, at least at the level of my political or moral support to say look, you're right and you're wrong. so we really kind of want whose support set of the toner on back down. you see, every day we can hear that you're calling for the recognition of the column. we need to have to kind of tell the world that this is your more support to back down from data completion. because if you recognize that once that will be a big mistake, like you have done right now, while there is clearly no, i've heard international support. i think there has clearly been as lori of bands

or diplomatic activity. i know for a fact that the russian officials have double down the trip down there. you're asian, mrs. as i'm sure, have many other countries. and i think the regional consensus for now is to make sure that what happens in afghanistan, stay in afghanistan. what do you think about this approach? we all know that there because each country have got their own interest. we know that the font is supplements not only an african problem, as kind of a deep political problem of different countries in both. and i found some, we know that one, but at the same time, as you said at the beginning, right, we ask on people, we have the right to, we kind of make sure that we should survive the whole kind of this gauge. we have to meet kind of help in calling for the international community to start want to start. this is not a playground for you to force your own kids like that. we have to make sure to tell our people to give them the confidence that we are here for you. and we really kind of, i mean, we have to make sure many, many things. so therefore,

what you're saying is that since it's a very deep down to political changes and i've gone to son, and it will take much longer time to really determine what can happen. so therefore, since this our country, we have to determine that our people can sort of ice a message. this is exactly what i think your neighbors are doing. as for to find out what is rather than madeline. your affairs, as they have done for many, many years, they have learned the hard way that plague proxy games and never brains, anything valuable. it always ends up costing you more. so it is you not them by calling for international support? yes, i mean, when we say that in financial support, that means that let's say, can we call on our neighbor to really kind of see relief. i've got a son to help us find a son. i found a son wanting up on some florida on some what should be called for the extra

regional power to set up well to start on it. and we have suffered much of this time is the time that everybody have to come to sub consciences around afghanistan . we have got the right to really call because as i mentioned before, this is not the problem of the ask on themselves inside of one isn't only just a much deeper problem of different countries. b, and i want to sense, so that's why you're calling on to listen to support. but it does not mean that you should not be to work on a fair you're supposed to have been doing good. i mean, look, as i mentioned before, 20 years ago when my brother was a life we was did want to see how exactly we can commit it. but to talk about our position and 20 years back to still, we're kind of kind of looking forward to see how exactly we can make sure that this is afghanistan protocol. so we can reach that range one and it be easier to shoot without anyone sort of standing nearby and telling you how it should be done best.

because, i mean, i think i'm in, in my years of power international politics. international support never comes without change. the task, if there is some power that is supposed to be helping you always want something in return. now you have to tell them clearly not been most friendly looking government, but shouldn't be given and try simply because it, it seems to be the grassroots force as ugly as it may be. they come from afghanistan and perhaps they have all, does her own interest in seeing the country invalid as i mentioned before, but at past one hm. years there was a piece procedure going god, what happened that didn't off today that was rejected altogether. a for about a month and a half and it usually takes longer, even in the most established democracies to form a functioning government. should you give them, you know, a here a couple of years before we actually come up with

a judgment. whether you know they are worth they're sold or not one at this moment, the bond isn't there in the field. i mean, you have a lot of fun. there wasn't there feel they have to take the initiative? what exactly they can do so far, what we can see, look at the government, look at the cabinet, look at their policies, look at that. they're unable to deliver for you. people have wanted to look at the poverty. look at, look at it. we have not had it well, and that's it. a message. let's look at all those things after a very short break and we'll be back to the discussion in just a moment. thank you. ah hi. ah ah

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much on my so and format dennison's and back to the united kingdom. and that's what i mentioned before the break we started talking about the taliban. and clearly you see that being said, for governance that you actually said that there's not much difference between the one in de taliban and what they used to be in the 99. but there's clearly a difference that's been fighting in the mountain ranges. ronnie, social affairs, even in the most practical form. so even if there is no change in ideology, there is clearly a change in priorities in means of achieving them as well as in the immediate consideration. doesn't that count for something? well, now that my missing that a lot of things have changed, but unfortunately what, what is the changes like years ago, the thought on were different today or more violent than ever before. 20 years ago,

the really kind of the stick was some sort of principal. so called principal today did not have non classical at all, except that they are using this principle and has their own interest. 20 years ago, there was some sort of kind of dialogue with the others to see what they can do. today they are so kind of restrict your dilemma. if you checked on the, are taking one cabinet from one misty called question and from, from inside question do just completely concentrate on what's called the so called about did not get no power sharing for anybody. for any of that. it's not to forget that. and i want to say there are more than 34 of them. a lot of good news, if you one of them is bye. i'm bye to the spot about just a fraction of question. so one of the rights of the other 20 years ago, i mean, 20 years ago, there was me probably one other, an international terrorist network club plaza. but today you have got an issue with different was for international terrace network. i'm going to work around the globe,

so yes, well, unfortunately the change has changed from back to worse. not better, not better. now i know that you have called for the creation of the taliban and resistance government and it's been reported in the media that some members of your extended family have even so to get some support for this idea from foreign powers, but so far, none of them can be russia, france, none of them have endorsed it. why do you think more in power is, are so has it and about forming some sort of a shadow or resistance government? you split it this week. i mean, different international cube we need to do a lot, everything in a fun. so right now, as i mentioned at the beginning that the key situation, the problem of our plan isn't, it's not a merely ask one problem. it's a deep down political problem, which in most many countries, many players. so therefore you can see that the different countries, they are making maneuver, you know,

but they're not making kind of decision because this state is so big, so high. so therefore, nobody look at the tone of a situation almost when you have just gone one half months gone. but it still does no country ready to recognize, are tied up on to the government. i'm not even ready to engage with the tell about . so the situation is kind of a general situation, all of a fun to some that let's talk about this issue of recognition because i find it very interesting and very characteristic of modern days your project. because on the one hand, nobody is in rush to recognize the government or even sort of legitimate it by removing its terrorist label. but on the other hand, everybody is in toss of the tower been and used to be a rather convenient situation for the so called international community which lies to raise or leap service international law. but also engaging reformulate a terrorist group behind closed doors. and would you actually see the situation

continue with them pretending or you know, the child is still a terrorist organization, or would you rather have them recognize it so that they can assume some responsibility for who they're dealing with? well, let's put a dispute that what exactly the installation committee and the question asked about is that too fast and was to cut tie when to terrace network? you're not able to cut tie with intellectual, tara smith work because you're parked off the top on the cannot catch me going to do it to people who really initially had to tie them on to take over. so therefore, they cannot enter mission committee, cannot accept the situation the 2nd natalia but have not been able to really introduce a government which could represent up on the turret because the policy are so rigid, it kind of completely goes concrete to what the university values johnson about the woman about the men, about the request, about education and everything. and another thing which is really kind of consented

on the committee since the game is everywhere else, kind of everybody kind of waiting to see what happens to the next game. so then they can decide and set up on sun. so it means that a lot of so have been played for a much bigger game. so elsewhere rather than i thought isn't it. so that is why you cannot make up their minds so quickly. i apologize for my next question because it may come across as part of the sunday, but i'm asking simply because i don't know the situation on the ground. well enough after so many here is of violence. do you think the society still has this capacity of managing its affairs civilly and al, sent me without resorting to violence, but also without pretending to be what it's not because for many years, i think, especially under the american occupation, i'm can institutions by which i'm going to be what they were not. well, i mean let's put it that says so when i make the left,

there was expectation that when they leave they can leave responsibility. then the people are wasn't, can bill what is going to achieve for the past 20 years. but unfortunately, they left their responsibility, the situation company, they came in to the situation. and now it's kind of blues kind of possibility to which more that to destroy. now, i'll check that it can talk once again. then they have to start from 0, of course, provided that if the total on allow that situation really prevail, it's becoming kind of difficult. i mean, there was like after 20, are there a sense of confidence that the african spent a bit similar block? we can make it or so we can change our so we can build a new and i could have everybody look. but now when it says the title one kid, that's sort of cod fitness, who did died right now? it has died. let us know cartoons hoping sort of this, not only as a politician, i see on our political orders it, this is the common after people who set up on their hopes,

direct dreams that has died because of the situation. and as i said, i strongly sympathize and emphasize the empathize of your feelings because as a, you know, as a child of the former soviet union, i've been through that. i've seen a situation when one day you wake up and you can choose no more. and all that worth yesterday is no longer working, but i also leave. i know that from a live experience that that would be rebuilt in the country with its people together. and if it counts only on, it sounds not on some of it somebody else's. but on its own resources, that's why i'm asking you whether you think there is still a capacity for the afghans despite the outset of the taliban and the real danger that it represents to many members of your society. i don't want do you think the energy of wanting to turn the taliban into a beautiful country than it is

a very rich frenchman? by the way, both in terms of mineral resources and, and geographic location. do you think there is enough anon to laugh in your country? it's you, you know, for, i've got a son to truly play, take, it's deserved grace in the world. let's put it dissipated. i mean, to come to that question. if we really want to have something and i find us on a peaceful, up, on a prosperous, up honest and a person which can depend on itself. we don't, we have but 2 alternative, one is desk and i'm sort of have to reach out of consciences amongst them. so this is the 1st letter you sent up on the 2nd plan of peace and i found a sum which is completed related to the fuss club. is it in regional countries asked to reach out of conferences about afghanistan. so this is the one player, this is the 2nd player. what dependent can come together induct with thought to some douglas talk. but the problem is that we don't have to incite to punch. this is neither the outside punches. but when we try to really kind of reach

a sort of insight consensus, of course, there are it. this is the problem. there are other ideological problem, derek terror, things. but so far as we try to reach then of course some player comes and you have got their own agenda and i've got a son, sam, corrupt politician. they go along with them in a been to, to was again, our country come to the same sort of cycle at the same time when we, what we decide to get other regional countries to come to some sort of consensus. once again, every other regional countries have got different gender, different views. so therefore we have not been able kind of to force a note in our funds that has been affected by each other. it's not that only the afghans are there. we have got one was 6 neighbors and all the neighbors still kind of affecting the situation of what i said. i only have time for one more question and i want it to be a hypothetical question. there is a human saying that better and ending with pain than

a pain without ending and if they're truly honest, i think we have to have met at the last couple of years. american presence in afghanistan has essentially have essentially maintained the state of limbo with some semblance of security, but with very, very little social progress. it was just expanding the necessary let's say the americans had paid for another day. do you think that would have improved the situation in your country? no. what i'm trying to say is this. after america wanted to go, of course, welcome to go. what we wanted. we ask that when you go after 20 years, you better go to responsibility. not to give it to hand it over to the tyler on not to kind of set up. okay. well that's, it may not be because there is no other responsibility power over spot. but a supposed really means a decade. 20 years ago and i found his son for the goal of routing out terrorism.

for the goal of completely wiping out, there were enough protest on became debt to somehow help up on some big mission estate, which we should not expect kind of new mission is to build it. but we expect that the american came for the same goal of looking at care, but after 20 years from top one to talk about frontiers of to present a responsible just responsible. if only did make sure that what became for who took care of them. and they left the country for us for our cell, while school dockwood investment of the international committee, together with the afghan people we could have built on to stick. but in which that did not happen. now, why did that happen to complete the end of the story, but i'm not saying that the 50 for longer it would have been processed. no, i do believe in what you say that i've not done at the end of the day. we have to depend on ourselves. we have to depend on resources, you have to depend on geography to reach consistency. we do believe in that but but

provided that we are being allowed to do so look good here the book i make addicted to holton brought one president after another president need to come out and post everybody there on us after 2 plus years. the give it back to the title, but now some other countries are invoked. so this is kind of, as i mentioned out type situation. yes, you're right, we have to do it ourselves. but to see if we can find going to put units for the last hope and pray for that doesn't matter. we have to leave it there. thank you very much for sharing it. thank you. thank you. and thank you for watching hope to see you again. next week on the well to part with

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