ah, ah, ah ah, ah, hello and welcome to crosstalk, where all things are considered i'm funeral about again the nobel peace prize misses the mark. the most deserving are again passed over. also the use war against 2 of its members, states hungry in poland. ideological hegemony is demanded. descent not allowed. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest johnson, you elleon, budapest. he's a podcast to read the goggles can be found on youtube and locals. and he remarks

coming up to me 3, bob, which is a political analyst and editor. it knows me internet media project originally across, across the back. that means you can jump anytime you want. and ours, appreciate it was got a d m a 1st year. we had the nobel peace prize awarded and went to a filipino and russian journalist who is this russian journalist and why give it to a journalist and does he have anything to do with anti war? go ahead team. well, is just amazing what crap under, because i know it was clear that the west wanted to provoke the ground and into been angry. you know, because read you want rather editor in chief or, and use paper which is called nowhere guys, yet that, which is not simply critical. oh, gotcha. which is paranoid about just, you know, ah, in that use paper, they publish stories out, you know, we've had this table is fortunate image in 99, but, ah, these limits were controlled, been changed now blew up several apartment building in moscow. so no wait, as at the claim they did was the russian secret services. who did that and

surprisingly, you know, the gremlins reaction was civilized because i'm sure to say in russia is a blue, realistic country. the brilliant spokesman committee, best call said, we congratulate to meet you more of the he has been consistently working according to his i deals. he is so, and he is brave. of course, this is a high appreciate your walk. we congratulate. you know, i walked with meeting rather for 3 years and i know that he personally is an honest man. he truly believes in liberal ideas and the use of what can you supported. gorbachev, you know, amazement, there will be 2 noble prize more as you know way which is to my too much, you know, tell us what is the readership, is it popular? is it with, with a certain nisha people i'm aware of it. i've known some of the journalists through

the years, so we don't really off our circle. go ahead. well, this is a newspaper which is basically for paranoid people. you know, people always at the was, there are such people in every country in the united states, you call them conspiracy theorists in russia would have no lack of them. but what was amazing was the reaction of the so called rational liberals. you know, they were extremely and have to go to the volley. actually the griffin was much more bought into football. we're out the, if you read the comments from the liberal opposition, it looks like it was a flip in the face for them and not for which no figure or rules on its reduced form. all of these practice is going to be either the face for both. the problem is that these people are even in the bed. the reality has been some kind of a dictator, greg style on every use it, but the creature sizes to battle has been slept and the base and here wouldn't just

turned another cheek of the flap went by. and in this amazing what the, how, who them, how aggressive these are the liberals are there is a certain widigar, a mom, a full, my tv come and date them by the way. cool. a basically a role in her reaction. well, the nobel peace prize committee or just the soiled expanse and didn't give it to nevada. me, it's good that it went and we're on. it's back, it didn't go to nevada and then another liberal curial rogue of explained why. the problem is that not only made some political incorrect statements and the kill rogue of rights in the modern west, you can be a nation is just once you can make a mistake once. well, what kind of toner and societies that if people are not allowed to have mistakes of you, you know, if everything you said 30 years ago can be used against your this is what silence lasonya union will like and all right. and the, the amazing been is that basically,

ah, the russian so called propagandists actually congratulate that more out of to what him or so your was demonized in the west s hooton's non belong a fight against the liberals. he said this is good. what happens? yes. no, only deep make statements. let me cater, he stayed this way. so it's good that this price went to the idealist, liberal murat of what doesn't understand the life, but he didn't go to a fascist. they. why don't i don't have a problem with the, you know, who gets said ok, but george biking go to you. what does this have to do with peace and being against war? i mean i'm, i'm completely mystified. i mean, even for those people, those small number of people to think of only said get it for the peace prize. when does he have to do with peace? go ahead and if they george, this home is obese, prizes just meaningless when it comes to its objective. in liter, my can, you know,

has i, because the, the objective of the peace prize from the beginning had been to a war to this, to people who did something to promote peace, to promote a committee among nations, to promote peace conferences, peace negotiations, the signing of the street is or in the it originally it did go to such people. so, you know, we have teddy roosevelt. he received the nobel peace prize for bringing about the peace agreement between russian, japan pal in the war. in 1005. we had their woodrow wilson because of his work was the league of nations and we had the architects of the look on a tree which brought about a brief that of time. people who would be more. busy long lasting, the brief reconciliation between france and germany after world war one. we had our kellogg long who created the famous calibree on treaty that when nations renounced

war as a means of policy. so you know that there were clear examples of getting this award to people who actually working for peace, but it's hard to see whether you know, whether it's not falling in a completely. and so all. busy right, so what they've done to piece because on the contrary, the reason they gave it to morocco was wow, booting wouldn't be happy and we want to stick a some in the i put in, and that's why he received it. and that's why the many people in the west sharing this all because a this is bad. 3 for russia, therefore, it must be great. but what does he go to do with piece? i mean what, what is no way that they haven't done for to promote peace of those? it happens and the same thing goes with maria risks are the journalist and in the philippines on a very,

i'm popular with the liberal west of opinion. well, again, it's a and the i a gave him and she, she receives money from the u. s. government, which again love in the business of promoting peace and they give her money, not because they want her to promote peace. so it's just the, again, this is the number of these places just become this political tool are not doing what it's supposed to be doing. you know, it's emer me. the is the reaction i've seen here. we're both in mosque out here is that, well, i mean, didn't western liberals like russian liberals, that's why they give it to the number gazette. ok. but that just confirms to the population here is that it's that these, these, at least a piece price is biased. it's a political cudgel, because the reaction here is, is basically okay. i mean, they choose their winners. ok, but it has nothing to do with. there are so called values. go ahead mean? well, the reaction that allow the population is certainly more negative than the reaction

from the credit because we have to use lawrence in russia who are widely known. the 3rd one is an ecologist, but we have, we're much open because we're up. gorbachev you the minds of many people is associated with the collapse of the soviet union, which was a terrible misfortune for medius of people. but much of a was blame, simple novice and morocco who has were much of his motto, the shareholders in she's newspaper. of course it greets him. but people remember, and people remember that more work as it always supported the islamist rebels in chechnya. not chance, you know, there are many honest b sliding changes who, who are successful in russia. ah, we're just, you know, we have no problem with them. but we had problem with the people like must, how the and the western press no way. because if you kept saying that must hunter was somehow a peacemaker, but it all fits elijah context. i mean, the normal piece price could be to who this is

a mixture of subservience and radicalism. who, yes, the by just, i'll go for a slide show about global warming obama before he started all of his wars. so this is, you know, they talk about which in spouse it looks like it said, clinton, spouse and obama spouse could get the door, will be surprised. el war, you know, the brock of now and the, and the on the, on the site who were, are change it is for this year. my good won't travel vocalization if there is an international organization with which many people have a problem, you know, in the united states, in europe, in rush, oh, well, that is the world health organization. but these people that are treated liberals, you know, they don't care about public opinion. they want to award someone who fits their ideology and these, that person happens to be close to powers that be in the united states or in europe . so much the better that's there and if you and people on the stand it not only in rush it, george, it's a, it's

a real pity it's gotten down to this. ok. because i can think of a candidate. let me think real hard here. oh julian hassan, i think that would be a person that would be very deserving of this. and it would be the slap in the face would go somewhere else of the country that he's being held in the u. k. and the united states that are seeking in his expedition, you know, that would send a signal that the nobel peace prize has meaning because he expose war crimes. i don't think any of these other people that have been, you know, a given the laureate, have done in nearly as much positive of change than chilliness. aren't your thoughts? yes. he expose war crimes as well. he has had an enormous of public impact because people are able to witness to himself these war crimes. ah, therefore he is in the business of doing something to facilitate peace. so even in the no, no committee had not wanted to provoke the united states in the u. k. by giving it

exclusively julian the son, they have at least shed it out, give it to 3 of them. and including a julian, the son, that is the one do that, and here is this person who really has sacrificed his life. i mean, he has suffer more than any of the people that they give these prizes. so they didn't, they didn't do. so it's all in an interesting consideration. why didn't they give it to no harmony? i, i think that they probably were feeling that this is going to be an embarrassment. the biggest and many people would have had a feel date being of all sorts of any back embarrassing quotes from them. and indeed them isn't welcoming as had be embarrassing moments in the past where they are all of this price to someone. and then 2 years later, he suddenly the villain of the piece. we remember the ethiopian leader now hated reviled person. you know, somebody that samantha power did test some threatening war on ethiopia. very

same guy who was received the notebook the past 2 years ago. and then of course we had the, the leader of beyond law now use of genocide and so on. so it, it's, it's a kind of an embarrassment avoid no more. i think i retired the, the price misses the mark. i gentlemen were getting a short break. that's about oh $100.00 mic. no city, no borders, a tease a whole world needs to be ready for judgment.

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okay, let's go back to budapest, george. and in the aftermath of briggs it, um, it seems brussel is a brussels. has found some new enemies within the ranks. ok. and those 2 countries are poland and hungary. you're in hungry right now. why he's hungry? being so demonized by the e. u. and then i'll ask him of the same for poland. go ahead. well, the hungary and poland o both are explicitly subscribing to values very much at odds with the values of the e. u. leadership, not the same of the people of the you. i mean because people, you know french many times why conservative people. but the values that are austin daisha state are promoted by victor, oregon. and the government in poland are definitely conservative. and also with the kind of about the cultural inclusivity open to

transgender gay marriage and so on. values that the, you know, the bus or so on. the lion, a claim to be our values. if somehow, you know, those people, every one. and so they now they target hungry on everything. so you know that on the education system a way you know, no later than the, not prov promoting the kind of the gay rights agenda that they, that the hunger school should be promoting. and now you're in poem, they've got the so that those janica bowen wants to reform judiciary and the you said, are you going like going against you values again should be within the domestic, both of you. and so now we have the polish a constitutional call that says that the polish constitution trumps you law. and you have absolutely bizarre and anal threatening are obviously

threatening to withhold all money to bolen dollar, explicitly threatening to expel colon from the you. interestingly enough, the polish a constitutional court ruling all at different from the german constitutional ruling, which also said that, you know, the german constitution trying to you law, but you don't pick a fight with germany. you do pick a fight with hunger. so a one size fits all. ok, their values from everyone else is values. ok, i guess that's the price with the take inventory into the you, they get it in the b, e u, they dangle money and other signing things in front of you and but the price is you have to leave your conservative values behind your history. your culture, your whole ideas about family, all that isn't worth it. go ahead. oh, well, i agree with everything george sands and the european press. i feel so much easier for you because if we believe the new york times see it all the time and the

guardian, georgie's in the middle of a table dictatorship ruled by a cru. see it all by installer bern. i don't know how you still alive. can do us the same story with pool and, you know, payable, they have that areas free all l, g, b, g, i, g o, g. well, what a terrible problem. you know, people have been killed by ukrainian government using lanes and banks, you know, whole region of your grain, your grain does not go any food supplies there for 7 years. they cut off and cut off the water. they don't allow people to speak russian to a salesman, you know, when they come to a shopping gear, which is a russian speaking cd that is all old. and what is really terrible? is this l g b, g i g o, g. i know you free areas and porn money should be god for them. you know that, that has already been done as far as i know from the press. you know,

so i agree with everything you just said. here is an important reservation. i mean, i genes gamble been on gary orders national. they hate to crush it in the late eighties and early nights and that was fine with the you know, they said table earth thinks about it. that was fine. which is, it is very typical situation for all to liberals. you know, they, you are onto the gross all the surface. they are for understanding between pupils and migration mixed marriages. but, well, they fight large countries, which are there alienness, such as china and russia. now they look fine or just they look for discontent neighbors. and suddenly these are to liberals ally themselves to all been nancy's m, i'll these minorities and these just contain a neighbors. you know, the, and let me just remind you, they used gratian, fascist, again serves in yugoslavia. they used a ukranian nationalist against

a russian speaking population in ukraine. they used now we go muslim fundamentalist against china. so that the problem with her orbit and kuchinski is that they didn't change and the front line moved east, so they're no longer needed. you know, this is now the ukrainian nationalists who can claim all absurd things in the will forgive them. everything falleth is now in the rear guard. it's far away from the battle. so suddenly they use creaking down on national is the been support against russia in the ninety's and the early in the late eighty's and, and purchase. it just doesn't understand it. okay. or when a smart you understood the bird is, is going to be against your 13th. he pretends to be, you know, innocent. how come your, of that the wanted to join is not europe. that way that we have no, we wanted to join a reach, go a community of christian nations. we joined

a bunch of crazy alternate. ros. yes. you need? yes. yeah. i'm not sure. we'll just see this is, this is what terrifies brussels be that there are people within the european union far, far more than brussels is willing to admit that actually can have conservative values and don't have the values of this unelected bureaucracy than rules over the you. ok, and what they're terrified of is it, oh my goodness, holden and hungry they might start resembling russia. oh, the horror of it. after all the money and decades of work in it, we're not getting what we what we demanded. ok. i mean, they're angry about it that way, you know, because you can only go one way in history. there's only one direction, one arc of history. this is what they truly believe. and that's why, for me, it's pathetic. is it going to take the money away from, you know, that's what it's all about. that's all your transactional. ok. you're just

transactional. you really not are, you're really not about value at all. go ahead. no, it seems like it's very funny what the just pointed out because we will remember back in the late 19 seventy's and early. busy 1008 is when there was a catholic, poke a, who visited poland and all spelled out on and east and west. i'm amazed. oh, isn't this wonderful? the polls their own catholics and this, you know, they will have a list of great man like, you know, leading them in the anti communist direction. and now, so that they find g, the bowls a capitalist, you know, what do you know? we don't know that they have strong use about abortion. they have strong use about gay marriage and strong use about family we. we don't like that a, you know, forget all, well that it was all very useful back then. but now i out of sorts

with what, you know, the, the, so the e u leadership believes are european values. but of course, you know, these are the european bellies. he's got the self appointed the lead that the proposed to be, but european values. but here you have the problem, the pawn has been to the hungry doesn't have, which is a bond, doesn't have that many options on re realize a long time ago that they can't really rely on the way you. otherwise, they're always going to be bullied and go and have that fun stuff. so i'll read is looking around in the world and says, hey, we have a business partner in russia. we can have a natural gas provided to us by russia, where business wagner, in china. so you know, the, you can often often threaten us, but they can't do much for us because, you know, there's a wider world outside and where we can get rich. poland hasn't done that and what

is cultivated bad relations with russia, so it doesn't quite have the leverage the hungry as it's interesting to you know, you know, european bound values come from people ok doesn't come from organizations. and it doesn't come from your receipts here, and i'm very glad that poland is standing up. but it's fair because these people are merciless. this ideology is merciless at one size fits all. it's our way or the highway. so what's next for poland and probably what's next. for 100. what's next is more sanctions. what's next is more pressure that you will be supporting the civic platform that you will loyal party involvement which has more similar connections. but the you will be supporting them for the next election. they will try to get the jokes as the president of poland, probably if they try to out do they fail?

they will try again. and of course, there will be conspiracy theories about connections, connections between orbit and moscow. and what is even more able to pin kuchinski small school, which is just a mad you know, but, you know, just recently after this, even we had 5 years of brushy gate. i'm ready, i'm ready for us as the freshest and the most absurd conspiracy theory is now that need you more out of what is a normal piece price of you know, now you can read in that one, the liberal science. you're in russia that he's a deeply seated, wouldn't agent. so putting has been in contact with heal sin sir the year, 2000, all of which is on to us. more of the suspect. the process is b. o, a boy in our partner books. so they call it wouldn't scan food, you know, some deeply can't or a secret agents. so the say where i want to hear about kuchinski. that the problem is that this very radical extremist ideology. it requires bad people. and that it's

not ashamed of playing on the worst feelings inside humans. you know, a inclination to conspiracy theorist is, is a very, very, you know, it's human, you know, people have that inclination and, and the 3rd day and i just always use it in all way cheaper use that against jews starting use that against the reach. now they're using against their political opponents. every thing that can find that is bad in human nature, no suspicion of the government. no suspect in every reach person over over been dishonest and been dangerous to society. put in labels. you're a homophobe, you're a racist. you know, recording what people said in private and then a broadcast anywhere your chair, you know, towards last seconds or all these people have is just labels for people and smears . 15 seconds later labels. but of course they, they said

a very bad example for everyone else. because suddenly, you know, there's an election coming up in france is electric coming up in italy and they kind of look and hungry. i think this is a really bad we don't want, we're still the one belie, i'm telling us what our values are supposed to be. so that's why i want to do is post colon need and this program brought out of time. want to make my guess you were still watching your rocky scene. i remember. oh ah, ah, with a wrong one. i'll

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