ah, hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered i'm funeral about again, the nobel peace prize misses the mark. the most deserving are again passed over. also the use war against 2 of its members, states hungry in poland. ideological hegemony is demanded. descent not allowed. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, george, send you elleon, budapest. he's a podcast read the goggles can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet with bob, which is a political analyst and editor. it knows me internet media project or gentleman across across the fact that means you can jump anytime you want and ours appreciate it. it's got a d m a 1st year. we had the nobel peace prize awarded. i went to a filipino and russian journalist who is this russian journalist and why give it to

a journalist and does he have anything to do with anti war? go ahead team. well, is just amazing what happened because i know it was clear that the west wanted to provoke the ground and into been angry. you know, because read you want rather editor in chief or, and use paper which is called nowhere guys yet, which is not simply critical or which is paranoid about, you know, ah, that use paper. they publish stories out, you know, we've had this table use fortunate imaging, 99. when are these limits? were controlled, been changed, now blew up several apartment building in moscow. so no, wait. as yet, the claim they did was the russian secret services. who did that, and surprisingly, you know, the gremlins reaction was civilized because i'm sure to say in russia is a blue, realistic country. the brilliant spokesman committee, best call said, we congratulate to meet you more of the he has been consistently working according

to his. i deals, he is, and he is brave. of course, this is a high appreciate his walk. we congratulate, you know, i walked with meeting rather for 3 years and i know that he personally is an honest man. he truly believes in liberal ideas. and the use of what can you supported gorbachev you know amazing that there will be 2 normal peace prize more as you know way which is to my too much for me. don't tell us what is the readership, is it popular? is it with, with a certain nisha people i'm aware of, and i've known some of the journalists through the years, so we don't really our circle go ahead. well, this is a newspaper which is basically for paranoid people, you know, people for all this at the was, there are such viewpoint. every country in the united states, you call them conspiracy theorist in russia would have no work on them. but what

was amazing was the reaction of the so called rational liberals. you know, they were extremely and have the brian didn't go to the volley. actually, the griffin was much more positive about the if you read the comments from the liberal opposition, it looks like it was a flip in the face for them and not for which no figure or rules on its reduced form or this price is going to be if i put the face for both the problem is that these people you really need bent, the reality has been some kind of a painter or greg style on every use it. but the creature sizes to that would have been a flat base and here wouldn't just turned another cheek of the flap went by. and, and this amazing what the, how, who them, how aggressive these are the liberals are. there is a certain widigar, amman am a former d v commentator by the way. cool. a basically a role interaction. well with the nobel peace prize committee or just the soiled

expanse and didn't give it to nevada. it's good that it went and were on. it's back, it didn't go to nevada and then another liberal q rogue of explained why. the problem is that not only made some political incorrect statements and the kill rogue of rights in the modern west. you can be a nation is just once you can make a mistake once. well, what kind of toner and societies that if people are not allowed to have me stakes of you, you know, if everything you said 30 years ago can be used against your this is what silence lasonya union will like and all right. and the, the amazing pianist that basically, ah, the russian so called propagandists actually congratulate that more out of to what im or so your was demonized in the west es hooton's non belong a fight against the liberals. he said this is good. what happened? yes. no, only deep make statements. let me cater. she stayed this way. so it's good that

this price went to the idealist, liberal murat of doesn't understand that life, but he didn't go to a fascist they. why don't i don't have a problem with the, you know, who gets said ok, but georgia biking go to you. what does this have to do with peace and being against war? i mean i'm, i'm completely mystified. i mean, even for those people, those small number of people to think of only said get it for the peace prize. when does he have to do with peace? go ahead and it, they, george, this home is obese, prizes just meaningless when it comes to its objective. in liter, my can, you know, has, i think is the, the objective of the peace prize from the beginning had been to a war to this, to people who did something to promote peace, to promote a committee among nations, to promote peace conferences, peace negotiations,

the signing of the street is or in the it originally it did go to such people. so, you know, we have teddy roosevelt. he received the nobel peace prize for bringing about the peace agreement between russian japan pl in the war. in 1005, we had their woodrow wilson because of his work to was the league of nations. and we had the architects of the look on a tree which brought about a brief bit of time. people who would be more. busy long lasting, the brief reconciliation between france and germany after world war one. we had our kellogg and beyond who created the famous calibree on treaty that when nations renounced war as a means of policy. so you know that there were clear examples of giving this award to people who actually working for peace, but it's hard to see whether you know, whether it's not boning would have been a completely absurd. all. busy right, so what they done to piece because on the contrary,

the reason they gave it to morocco was, wow, dugeon wouldn't be happy and we want to stick us some in the i put in, and that's why he received it. and that's why the many people in the west sharing this all because this is bad for russia, therefore it must be great. but what is he going to do with piece? i mean, what, what is no way that they haven't done for, to promote peace of those. it happens. and at the same thing goes with maria risks are the journalist and in the philippines on a day very, i'm popular with the liberal west of opinion. well again, it's a in the i a gave him and she, she receives money from the u. s. government, which again love the business of promoting peace and they give them money, not because they want her to promote peace. so it's just the, again, this is the number of these places just become this political tool. i have not

doing what you're supposed to be doing. you know him or me, the is the reaction i've seen near we're both in mosque out here is that, well, i mean didn't western liberals like russian liberals, that's why they give it to the number gazette. ok. but that just confirms to the population here is that it's that these, these, at least a piece price is biased. it's a political cudgel, because the reaction here is, is basically okay. they choose their winners. ok, but it has nothing to do with. there are so called a values go ahead mean. well, the reaction that allow the population is certainly more negative than the reaction from the credit because we have to use lawrence in russia who are widely know that the 3rd one is an ecologist, but we have, we're much open because we're up. but gorbachev you the minds of many people is associated with the collapse of the soviet union, which was a terrible misfortune for millions of people. but much of a was blame,

simple novice and morocco who has were much of his motto, the shareholders in she's newspaper. of course it reached him. but people remember and people remember that more work as it always supported the islamist rebels in kitchener, luncheons. you know, there are many, almost the sliding changes who were successful in russia. ah, we're just, you know, we have no problem with them. but we had problem with the people like must how the and the western press no way because it kept saying that must hunter was somehow a peacemaker. but it all fits elijah context. i mean, the normal piece price could be to whom this is a mixture of subservience and radicalism. who yes, the by just, i'll go for a slide show about global warming obama before he started all of his wars. so this is, you know, they talk about which in spouse it looks like it's a clinton spouse. and obama spouse could get the door, will be surprised. el war,

you know, the brock of now and the, and the on the, on the site who were there are change. it is for this year. my good won't travel vocalization if there is an international organization with which many people have a problem. you know, in the united states, in europe, in rush, oh, well, that is the world health organization. but these people that are treated liberals, you know, they don't care about public opinion. they want to at want someone who fits their ideology and these, that person happens to be close to powers that be in the united states or in europe . so much the better that's there. and if you and people on the standard, not wanting rush it, george, it's a, it's a real pity it's gotten down to this. okay. because i can think of a candidate. let me think real hard here. oh julian, hassan. i think that would be a person that would be very deserving of this, and it would be the slap in the face would go somewhere else of the country that he's being held in the u. k. and the united states that are seeking in his

expedition. you know, that would send a signal that the nobel peace prize has meaning because he expose war crimes. i don't think any of these other people that have been, you know, a given the laureate, have done in nearly as much positive of change than chilliness. aren't your thoughts? yes. he expose war crimes as well. he has had an enormous of public impact because people are able to witness to himself these war crimes. ah, therefore he's in the business. all, you know, doing something to facilitate peace. so even in the no committee had not wanted to provoke the united states in the u. k. by giving it exclusively julian, the son of at least shed it out, give it to 3 of them. and including a julian, the son didn't even do that. and here is this person who really has sacrificed his life. i mean, he has suffered some more than any of the people that they give these prizes. so

they didn't, they didn't do. so it's all in an interesting consideration. why didn't they give it to no harmony? i, i think that they probably were feeling that this is going to be an embarrassment. the biggest and many people would have had a feel date being of all sorts of any back embarrassing quotes from him. and indeed them in the novel committee has had these embarrassing movements in the past where they are all of this price to someone. and then 2 years later, he suddenly the villain of the piece. we remember the ethiopian leader now absolutely hated reviled person. you know, somebody that samantha power did test and threatening warren, ethiopia, very same guy who was received the notebook the spice 2 years ago. and then of course we had the, the leader of beyond mom and now accused of genocide and so on. so it's, it's, it's a kind of an embarrassment, a voice more, i think, i think, you know,

higher the, the price it misses the mark you. all right gentlemen, we're gonna go to a short break. that's about your oh, ah, join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. and i'll be speaking to guess of the world politics. sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. mm. oh, driven by dreamer shapes bankers and those with

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and hungary. you're in hungry right now. why he's hungry? being so demonized by the e u and then i'll ask him of the same for poland. go ahead where the hungary and poland o both are explicitly subscribing to values very much at odds with the values of the e. u leadership. not only the people of the you, i mean because people the, you met, you know french many times why conservative people. but the values are often daisha, state of promoted by victor or by and the government in poland are definitely conservative. and also with the kind of both the cultural inclusivity open to transgender gay marriage and so on. values that the, you know, the person or so on. the lion, a claim to be our values as if somehow, you know, those people,

every one. and so they now they target hungry and everything. so you know that on the education system a way you know, you know, later than the, not prov promoting the kind of a gay rights agenda that they, that the hungarian school should be promoting. and now in poland, they got the selves into this jam because paul and wants to reform issued a sri and the you said, all you're going to like going against you values again should be within the domestic, both of you. and so now we have the polish a constitutional court that is said that the polish constitution, trunks you law, and you have absolutely bizarre, an anal threatening are obviously threatening to withhold all money. to bowen, a dollar explicitly threatening to expel colon from the you. interestingly enough, the polish a constitutional court ruling or different from the german constitutional ruling,

which also says that, you know, the german constitution trying to you law, but you don't pick a fight with germany. you do pick a fight with hunger. so a one size fits all. ok, their values from everyone else's values. ok, i guess that's the price, but the take inventory into the you, they get it in the b, e u, they dangle money and other signing things in front of you and but the price is you have to leave your conservative values behind your history. your culture, your whole ideas about family, all that isn't worth it. go ahead. oh, well, i agree with everything george sad and the european press. i feel so much easier for you because if we believe the new york times see it all the time, and the guardian of george is in the middle of a terrible dictatorship, ruled by a cru see it all by mister burns, i don't know how he's still alive token to us. the same story with bull and no

cable. they have the area's free, all l g, b, g i g o g. well, what a terrible problem. you know, people have been killed by ukrainian government using lanes and banks, you know, whole region of your grain. your grade does not allow any food supplies there for 7 years. they cut off and they cut off the water. they don't allow people to speak russian to a salesman, you know, when they come to a shopping gear, which is a rush to speak and see if there is a what is really terrible? is this l g b, g i g o g, a georgia free areas in poland. mon issued the card for them. you know that, that has already been done as far as i know from the express. but you know, so i agree with everything you just said here is an important reservation. i mean that genes can gone on. gary orders, national. they hate to crush you the late eighties and early nights and that was

fine with the you. you know, they said table earth thinks about it, that was fine. which is, it is very typical situation for all to liberals, you know, do they, you are entre bruce or all the surface. they are for understanding between people's own migration, mixed marriages as well. they fight large caucus, which other aliens, such as china and russia, now they look for minorities, they look for discontent, neighbors, and suddenly these outer liberals ally themselves to albany, nancy's among these minorities and these just contain a neighbors, you know, the and let me just remind you, they used gratian, fascist, again serves in yugoslavia. they used a ukranian nationalist against a russian speaking population in ukraine. they use now we go muslim fundamentalist against china. so that the problem with the orbit and kuchinski is that they didn't change and the front line moved east,

so they're no longer needed. you know, this is now the ukrainian nationalists who can claim all absurd things in the you will forgive them everything. poland is now in that regard. you know, it's far away from the battle. so suddenly they use creaking down on nationalist the been support against russia in the ninety's and the early in the late eighty's and, and purchase. he just doesn't understand it. okay. or when a smart you understood the bird is, is going to be against you a chance he pretends to be, you know, innocent. oh, europe that we wanted to join is not europe that way that we have no, we wanted to join a reach, go a community of christian nations. we joined a bunch of crazy alternate. ros. yes. you need. yes. you booked or will george seek? this is, this is what terrifies brussels be that there are people within the european union

far, far more than brussels is willing to admit that actually can have conservative values and don't have the values of this unelected bureaucracy. then rules over the you. ok and what they're terrified of is it, oh my goodness. oh, and hungry they might start resembling russia. oh, the horror of it. after all the money and decades of work in it, we're not getting what we what we demanded. ok. i mean, they're angry about it that way, you know, because you can only go one way in history. there's only one direction, one arc of history. this is what they truly believe. and that's why, for me, it's pathetic. is it going to take the money away from you? that's what it's all about. that's all you're transactional. ok? you're just transactional. you're really not. you're really not about value at all . go ahead. i exaggerate. and it's very funny with the we're just going to down because we will remember back in the late 19 seventy's an early. busy 1908 is

when there was a catholic, poke a, who visited poland and all spelled out on an east and west. i'm amazed. oh, isn't this wonderful? the polls their own catholics and this, you know, they will have a list of great man like, you know, leading them in the anti communist direction. and now, so that they find g, the bowls a capitalist, you know, what do you know? we don't know that they have strong views about abortion. they have strong use about gay marriage and strong use of our family. we. we don't like that, you know, forget all, well that it was all very useful back then. but now i out of sorts with what, you know, the, the, so the e u leadership believes are european values. but of course, you know, these are the european that is, he's got the self appointed, the lead that the,

of the course of it. but you're being very, but here you have the problem. the pollen has been to the hungry doesn't have, which is a bond, doesn't have that many options on real as a long time ago that they can't really rely on the way you. otherwise, they're always going to be bullied and go and have that fox got off. so i'm re looking around in the world and says, hey, we have a business partner in russia. we can, we can have a natural gas provided to us by russia where business partner, china. so, you know, the, you can often often threaten us, but they can't do much for us because, you know, there's a wider world outside and where we can get rich. bowen hasn't done that a who owns cultivated bad relations with russia. so it doesn't quite have the leverage the hungry and it's interesting to, you know, you know, european bound values come from people ok doesn't come from organizations. and it

doesn't come from your receipts here. and i am very glad that poland is standing up . but and it's pair because these people are merciless, this ideology is merciless at one size fits all. it's our way or the highway. so what's next for poland and probably what's next for hunger. what's next is more sanctions. what's next is more pressure that you will be supporting the civic platform that you'll loyal party involvement, which has more similar connections on the you will be supporting them for the next election. they will try to get the jokes as the president of poland, probably if they tried to oust dude or they failed, they will try again. and of course, there will be conspiracy theories about connections, connections between orbit and more school, and what is even more able to pin kuchinski small school, which is just a mad you know. but, you know, just recently after this,

even we had 5 years of brushy gate, i'm ready, i'm ready for us as the freshest. and the most absurd conspiracy theory is now that need you more out of what is a normal piece price of you know, now you can read in that one, the liberal science. you're in russia, that he's a deeply seated wouldn't agent. so putting has been in contact with heal sin sir the year, 2000, all of which is on to us. more of the suspect. the brush was at this b o, a boy in our apartment books. so they call it which in scanned food, you know, some deeply can or a secret agents. so the say where i want to hear about kuchinski, that the problem is that this very radical extremist, i know, and you requires bad people, and it's not ashamed of playing on the worst feelings inside humans. you know, a inclination to conspiracy theories is, is a very, very, you know, it's human, you know, people have that inclination and,

and the 3rd day and i just always used it in all way. kids use that against jews starting use that against the reach. now they're using against their political opponents. every thing that can find that is bad in human nature, you know, suspicion of the government. no suspect in every reach person over over been dishonest and been dangerous to society. put in labels, you're a homophobe, your race is. you know, recording what people said in private and then a broadcast anywhere. a 2nd to all these people have is just labels for people and smears. 15 seconds later labels. but of course, they said a very bad example for everyone else, because suddenly, you know, there's an election coming up in france is electric coming up in italy and they kind of look, i'm hungry and let's say, hey, this is a really bad. we don't want also the fun to lie and telling us what our values are

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