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ah ah ah hello and welcome across the dock were all things considered i'm carol about again the nobel peace prize misses the mark the most deserving are again passed over also the use war against 2 of its member states hungry in poland ideological hegemony is demanded. descent not allowed. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, george and you, elleon,

budapest. he's a podcast to read the goggles can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet with barbara. she's a political analyst and editor. it knows me. internet media project originally across across the back. that means you can jump anytime you want an hour, appreciate it. it's got a g m a 1st year we had the nobel peace prize awarded. i went to a filipino and russian journalist who is this russian journalist and why give it to a journalist and does he have anything to do with anti war? go head him. well is just amazing. what happened because i, you know, it was clear that the west wanted to provoke the ground and into been angry. you know, because beauty want rather editor in chief or, and use paper which is called nowhere guys, yet that, which is not simply critical or which is paranoid about, you know, ah, that use paper. they publish stories out, you know, we've had this table use fortunate image in 99. when are these women who controlled been changed now blew up several apartment building in moscow. so no one has yet

claimed that it was the russian secret services. who did that, and surprisingly, you know, the gremlins reaction was civilized because, i'm sorry to say in russia is a blue, realistic country. the brilliant spokesman committee, best call said, we congratulate you more of the he has been consistently working according to his ideals. he is and he is brave. of course, this is a high appreciate your walk. we congratulate. you know, i walked with meeting rather for 3 years and i know that he personally is an honest man. he truly believes in liberal ideas and the use of what can you support that gorbachev. you know, amazing that there will be 2 normal peace prize more as you know way which is to my too much for me. don't tell us what is the readership of the because it popular is it with, with a certain nisha people i'm aware of,

and i've known some of the journalists through the years, so we don't really our circle go ahead. well, this is a newspaper which is basically for paranoid people, you know, people for all the wants. there are such viewpoint, every country in the united states, you call them conspiracy theorist in russia would have nowhere on them. but what was amazing was the reaction of the so called rational liberals. you know, they were extremely and have the right to go to the volley. actually, the griffin was much more positive about the if you read the comments from the liberal opposition, it looks like it was a flip in the face for them and not for which no figure or rules on its reduced form or this price is going to be either the face for both the problem is that these people are really bent. the reality has been some kind of a dictator or greg towel on every use it. but the creature sizes to that will have

been flattened, the base and here wouldn't just turn to another chief of the flap went by. and in this amazing what the, how, who them, how aggressive these are the liberals are there is a certain widigar, amman am a former d v commentator by the way. cool. a basically a role interaction. well, with the nobel peace prize committee or just the soiled expanse and didn't give it to nevada, it's good that it went and were on. it's back, it didn't, goldman, and then another liberal curio rogue of explained why. the problem is that not only made some political incorrect statements and the key rogue of rights in the modern west, you can be a nation is just once you can make a mistake once. well, what kind of toner and societies that if people are not allowed to have mistakes of you, you know, if everything you said 30 years ago can be used against your this is what science lasonya union will like and all right. and the,

the amazing thing is that basically, ah, the russian so called propagandists actually congratulate that. more out of to what im or so your was demonized in the west asked who does not belong a fight against the liberals. he said this is good. what happened? yes. no, only deep make statements. let me cater, he stayed this way. so it's good that this price went to the idealist, liberal murat of doesn't understand that life, but he didn't go to a fascist they. why don't i don't have a problem with the, you know, who gets said ok, but georgia biking go to you. what does this have to do with peace and being against war? i mean i'm, i'm completely mystified. i mean, even for those people, those small number of people to think of only said get it for the peace prize. when does he have to do with peace? go ahead and if they george, this hope is obese prizes just meaningless when it comes to its objective. in liter,

my can, you know, has, i think is the, the objective of the peace prize from the beginning had been to a war to this, to people who did something to promote peace, to promote community among nations, to promote peace conferences, peace negotiations, the signing of the street is or in the it, originally it did go to such people. so, you know, we have teddy roosevelt. he received the nobel peace prize for bringing about the peace agreement between russian japan pl in the war. in 1005, we had their woodrow wilson because of his work to was the league of nations. and we had the architects of the look on a tree which brought about a brief bit of time. people who would be more. busy long lasting, the brief reconciliation between france and germany after world war one. we had our

kellogg and beyond who created the famous calibree on treaty that when nations renounced war as a means of policy. so you know that there were clear examples of giving this award to people who actually working for peace, but it's hard to see whether you know, whether it's not falling in a completely. and so all. busy right, so what they end up to piece because on the contrary, the reason they gave it to morocco was wow, booting wouldn't be happy and we want to stick us some in the i put in. and that's why he received it. and that's why the many people in the west sharing this all because this is bad for russia, therefore it must be great. but what is he got to do with piece? i mean, what, what is no way that they haven't done for, to promote peace of those. it happens. and the same thing goes with maria wrist, or the journalists in the philippines. you know, a, a very unpopular with liberal west of opinion. well again,

it's a in the i a gave him and she, she receives money from the u. s. government, which again love the business of promoting peace and they give them money, not because they want her to promote peace. so it's just the, again, this is the number of these messages becomes political tool and not doing what you're supposed to be doing. you know, him, i mean, that is the reaction i'm seeing here. we're both in mask out here is that, well, i mean, didn't western liberals like russian liberals, that's why they give it to the number gazette. ok. but that just confirms to the population here is that, is that these, these at least a piece price is biased. it's a political cudgel, because the reaction here is, is basically okay. i mean, they choose their winners. ok, but it has nothing to do with. there are so called a values. go ahead mean. well,

the reaction among the population is certainly more negative than the reaction from the crowd because we have to use lawrence in russia who are widely know that the 3rd one is an ecologist, but we have one much open because we're up. but gorbachev you the minds of many people is associated with the collapse of the soviet union, which was a terrible misfortune for medius of people. but much of a was blame, simple novice and morocco who has were much of his motto, the shareholders in she's newspaper of course agreed still. but people remember and people remember that more work as it always supported the islamist rebels in kitchener, luncheons. you know, there are many honest b sliding changes who were successful in russia. ah, we're just, you know, we have no problem with them. but we've had problem with the people like must, how the and the western press. no way i just kept saying that must hunter was somehow a peacemaker. but it all the, it's a larger context. i mean,

the normal piece price could be to whom this is a mixture of subservience and radicalism. who yes, the by just, i'll go for a slide show about global warming obama before he started all of his wars. so this is, you know, they talk about which in spouse it looks like it says, clinton, spouse and obama, spouse could get the door, will be surprised. l. war, you know, the brock of now and the, and the on the, on the site who were, are changing this for this year. my good won't travel vocalization if there is an international organization with which many people have a problem, you know, in the united states, in europe, in rush, oh, well, that is the world health organization. but these people that are treated liberals, you know, they don't care about public opinion. they want to and want someone who feeds their ideology and these, that person happens to be close to powers that be in the united states or in europe . so much the better. that's there,

and if you and people on the standard moaning rush, it, george, it's a, it's a real pity it's gotten down to this. okay. because i can think of a candidate. let me think real hard here. oh julian, a sorry. i think that would be a person that would be very deserving of this, and it would be the slap in the face would go somewhere else of the country that he's being held in the u. k. and the united states that are seeking in his expedition. you know, that would send a signal that the nobel peace prize has meaning because he expose war crimes. i don't think any of these other people that have been, you know, a given the laureate, have done in nearly as much positive of change than chilliness. aren't your thoughts? yes. he expose war crimes as well. he has had an enormous of public impact because people are able to witness to himself these war crimes. ah, therefore he is in the business of you doing something to facilitate peace. so even in the noble committee had not wanted to provoke the united states in the u. k. by

giving it exclusively julian, the son of at least shed it out even just 3 of them, including a julian, the son didn't even do that. and here is this person who really has sacrificed his life. i mean, he saw some more than any of the people that they give these prizes. so they didn't, they didn't do. so it's all in an interesting consideration. why didn't they give it to holland? and i think that they probably were feeling that this is going to be an embarrassment, the biggest and many people would have had a field day being all sorts of an embarrassing quotes from them. and indeed then the, the local committee has had these embarrassing moments in the past where they are all of this price to someone. and then 2 years later he sent me the bill and of the piece we remember the e, c o, b, and leader. now, absolutely hate to revile person,

you know, somebody that samantha power 20 warranty ethiopia, very same guy who's received the notebook these past 2 years ago. and then of course we had the, the leader of beyond mot accused of genocide and so on. so it, it's, it's a kind of an embarrassment, a voice more, i think, i think, you know, higher the, the price it misses the mark you. all right gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. that's about oh, in ah,

ah, ah, oh, thank you. not comfortable lending against entrepreneurs necessarily. they only want to lend against real estate speculations and this has created the biggest real estate bubble in history. that's now collapsing with a welcome act across the dock were all things are considered. i'm funeral a bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah, let me go back to budapest, george and in the aftermath of briggs it, um,

it seems brussel was a brussels, has found some new enemies within the ranks. okay. and those 2 countries are poland and hungary. you're in hungry right now. why he's hungry, being so demonized by the e. u. and then i'll ask him of the same for poland. go ahead where the hungary and poland o both are explicitly subscribing to values very much at odds with the values of the e. u. leadership of the people of the you. i mean, because people, he, you met, you know, french, many early child conservative people. but the values that our austin daisha state are promoted by victor or band. and the government in poland. ah, the conservative and also with the kind of both the cultural inclusivity open to transgender gay marriage and so on values that the,

you know, the. busy on the lion can claim to be our values. if somehow, you know, those people, every one. and so they now they target hungry on everything. so, you know, on the education system a way, you know, no later than the not promoting the kind of gay rights agenda that they, that the a school should be promoting. and now you can paul, and they've got those, those are those janica ball and wants to reform the judiciary. and you said, oh, you're going like going against you. values again should be within the domestic view. and so now we have the polish, a constitutional core that is said that the polish constitution, trunks you law, and you have absolutely bizarre and, and i was threatening or obviously threatening to withhold all money to bowen or explicitly threatening to expel colon from the you. interestingly enough,

the polish a constitutional court ruling, the last different from the german constitutional ruling, which also says that, you know, the german constitution trumps the law. but you don't pick a fight with germany. you do pick a fight with hunger. so a one size fits all. ok, their values from everyone else is values. ok, i guess that's the price with the entry into the you, they get it in the b, e u, they dangle money and other signing things in front of you and but the price is you have to leave your conservative values behind your history, your culture, your whole ideas about family, all that isn't worth it. go ahead. oh, well, i agree with everything george read the press. i feel so much easier for you because if we believe the new york times see it all the time. the guardian

georgie's in the middle of a table dictatorship ruled by a christ dollar. but i don't know how he's still alive. token to us the same story with woolen mon payable. they have the area's free over l. g b, g ideology. wow. what a terrible problem you know, people have been killed by ukrainian government using blaine's and they alex, you know, whole region of ukraine. ukraine does not allow any food supplies for 7 years. they cut off a cargo the want that they don't allow people to speak russian to a salesman. you know, when they come to shopping, dia, which is a rational, you can see that it's all built. and what is really payable is b, l, g, b, g, i, g o, g, a georgia, free areas in poland. mon issued the card for them. you know that, that has already been done as far as i know from the press. you know, so i agree with everything you just said. here is an important reservation. i mean,

at genes gorman, con, guerria and orders national. they hate to crush it in the late eighties and early nights and that was fine with the you, you know, they said table earth thinks about it, that was fine. which is, it is very typical situation for our to liberals, you know, do they, your entrepreneurs are all the surface. they are for understanding between people's own migration, mixed marriages as well. they fight large caucus, which other alienness such as china and russia. now they look for minorities, they look for discontent, neighbors, and suddenly these out liberals ally themselves to all been nancy's. and while these minorities and these just contain a neighbors, you know, the, and let me just remind you, they used gratian, fascist, again serves in yugoslavia. they used a ukranian nationalist against a russian speaking population in ukraine. they use now wiggle muslim

fundamentalist against china. so that the problem with the orbit and kuchinski is that they didn't change and the front line moved east, so they're no longer needed. you know, this is now the ukrainian nationalists who can claim all absurd things in the you will forgive them everything. poland is now in the rear guard. it's far away from the battle. so suddenly they use creaking down on nationalist the been support against russia in the ninety's and the early in the late eighty's and, and purchase. he just doesn't understand it. okay. or when a smart you understood the bird is, is going to be against you, had changed, he pretends to be, you know, innocent. oh, europe that we wanted to join is not europe that way that we have no, we wanted to join a reach, go a community of christian nations. we joined a bunch of crazy alternate. ros. yes. you need?

yes. yellow book or will george seek? this is, this is what terrifies brussels be that there are people within the european union far, far more than brussels is willing to admit that actually can have conservative values and don't have the values of this unelected bureaucracy than rules over the you. ok, and what they're terrified of is it, oh my goodness, holden and hungry they might start resembling russia. oh, the horror of it. after all the money and decades of work in it, we're not getting what we what we demanded. ok. i mean, they're angry about it that way, you know, because you can only go one way in history. there's only one direction, one arc of history. they think this is what they truly believe. and that's why, for me, it's pathetic. is it going to take the money away from you? yeah, that's what it's all about. that's all your transactional. ok. you're just transactional . you really not are, you're really not about value at all. go ahead. i exaggerate. and it's very funny

with the just pointed out because we will remember back in the late 19 seventy's an early. busy 1980. when there was a catholic, poke a, who visited poland and all spelled out on an east and the west. i'm amazed. oh, isn't this wonderful? the polls their own catholics and this, you know, they will have a list of great man like, you know, leading them in the anti communist direction. and now so that they find g, the bowls a catalyst, you know, what do you know? we don't know that they have strong views about abortion. they have strong use about gay marriage and strong use of our family. we. we don't like that, you know, forget, all right, so that was all very useful back then. but now i out of sorts

with what, you know, the, the, so the e u leadership believes our european values. but of course, you know, these are the european betters. he's got the self appointed the lead, but because of it, but you're being very but here you have the problem. the pollen has been really hungry, doesn't have, which is a bond, doesn't have that many options on real as a long time ago that they can't really rely on the way you otherwise they're always going to be bullied and go and have that far off. so i'll read is looking around in the world and says, hey, we have a business partner in russia, we can, we can have a natural gas provided to us by russia, where business partner in china. so, you know, the, you can often boffins threaten us, but they can't do much for us because, you know, there's a wider world outside and where we can get rich. bowen hasn't done that a who owns cultivated bad relations with russia. so it doesn't quite have the

leverage the hungry and it's interesting to, you know, you know, european bound values come from people ok doesn't come from organizations. and it doesn't come from your receipts here. and i am very glad that poland is standing up, but it's pair because these people are merciless. this ideology is merciless in one size fits all, it's our way or the highway. so what's next for poland and probably what's next for hunger. what's next is more sanctions. what's next is more pressure that you will be supporting the civic platform that your loyal party involvement, which has more similar connections on the you will be supporting them for the next election. they will try to get the jokes as the president of poland, probably if they try to out do they fail? they will try again. and of course, there will be conspiracy theories about connections,

connections between orbit and war school, and what is even more able to pin kuchinski was, which is just a man you know. but, you know, just recently after this evil we had 5 years of brushy gate, i'm ready, i'm ready for us as the freshest. and the most absurd conspiracy theory is now that need you more out of what is a normal piece price of you know, now you can read in that one, the liberal science you're in russia, that he's a deeply seated, wouldn't agent. so putting has been in cahoots with he'll syn sir the year 2000, all of which is on to us. more of the suspect. the brush was at this b of a boy in our apartment books. so they call it wouldn't scanned food, you know, some deeply can't or a secret agents. so the say where i want to hear about kuchinski, that the problem is that this very radical extremist, i know, and you requires bad people. and that it's not ashamed of playing on the worst

feelings inside humans. you know, a inclination to conspiracy theories is, is a very, very, you know, it's human, you know, people have that inclination and, and the 3rd day and i just always used it in all way cheaper use that against jews starting use that against the reach. now they're using against their political opponents. every thing that can find that is bad in human nature, no suspicion of the government. no suspect in every reach person over over been dishonest and been dangerous to society. put in labels, you're a homophobe, your race is you know, recording what people said in private and then a broadcast anywhere. a 2nd to all these people have is just labels for people and smears. 15 seconds later labels. but of course, they said a very bad example for everyone else, because suddenly, you know,

there's an election coming up in france is election coming up in italy and they kind of look, i'm hungry and let's say, hey, this is a really bad. we don't want also the fun to lie and telling us what our values are supposed to be. so that's why i want to, there's polls bullen it's made, and this program i've run out of time. want to make my guess watching this year on the scene. i remember. oh lou. oh seemed wrong. i just don't know any world yet to see out the scene because of the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will

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