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[000:00:00;00] with hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter lavelle. what happened to the idea of tolerance in our politics? conservative, see their world being up ended. liberals view conservatives with contempt. of course the media only makes things worse. have we all lost hope and compromise and peaceful coexistence ah cross talking to visit politics, i'm joined by my guess, chris roberto and winchester. he is vice president of public relations for z labs and in miami. we have sorry os he is a former u. s. presidential candidate or a cross up rules in the fact that means he can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciated, chris,

let me go to you 1st here. i think all of us. okay. so i was a bit younger than us, but all of us were brought up in the tradition of, of tolerance and compromise. and now that, that issue is patently not true anymore. calling the f b i on parents that are angry about what's going on in their children's schools. cancel culture. your, your, if you disagree with the left somehow one way or another, you're a racist than you're a big it in your home, a phone your, all these names here. this is not part of the parcel of our political culture. this is a relatively new phenomenon. and it's only getting worse, go ahead, chris. it is, and i keep thinking to myself that we're going to have this course correction, you know, look, we lease, i grew up in this idea about a battle of a battle of ideas. you know, and that people weren't afraid to debate where that what they believed in that was actually like a calling card of,

of the kind of strength of your convictions was your willingness to go and debate people and to hear opposing opinions. and that's completely lost in our system today. and i, you know, i mentioned to you off off air that you're the kind of libertarian street that we have in, in the american right of kind of live and let live at this point is kind of killing us. because the other side is not content with live and let live for decades. we as conservatives, lost control of pop culture, we lost control of the public education system. we lost control of the college system. we lost control the media because we were busy doing other things. people were living their life and we were like, hey, if people want to believe different things, that's fine. unfortunately, the left doesn't see it that way. they believe that you must agree with them. you are not allowed to dissent, you're not allowed to have another opinion. and by the way, it's no longer, not just enough for them to simply label those, you know,

homophobic or get it. now they're saying these voices can't actually be heard. yeah, we can't just, it's not enough for us to say they're bad. we're saying no, actually now they must be d platform or sorry, wait, we can't have a civil society. if this, if we continue down this path here, i mean, i am just flabbergasted, and it just to agree with what chris had to say. if you deviate from what they call the main stream, which for me is very radical. you're not part of the conversation anymore. you're a libertarian. libertarians who are very much in, i'm not. but libertarians are very much for the, the ideas ok in the public square, get on your soapbox and go right ahead. everyone has the right to do that. but even now, if freedom of speech is being defined by corporations, where's the constitution on these things here? this is a radical departure from, from our traditions. i know liberals hate tradition. i like tradition because it's

a point of reference. i do embrace change. i really do, but we have a point of reference, they want to take that point to reference away, go ahead in miami, you want to talk about freedom of speech and freedom of speech. i spent that media as a 4th branch of government because it moves public opinion and we see it now more than ever. i mean, we have p r firms marketing firms that are running the narrative of this country's media liberal, corporate back media, and like the whole thing with the black lives matter movement me to movement. that's run by sdk knickerbocker who happens to have it happens to be anita done. that works for biden. so they're the ones that are pushing the narrative. they're the ones that are suppressing, you know, sir, and things from being out there. just recently, enrique tauriel or into black lives minor banner, and he's sitting in jail right now. he had to turn himself into even 5 months. but if you bring the american flag, nothing happens to you. and funny enough bringing it. i get into what we're discussing today with cold it, he's unvaccinated,

i'm on vaccinated. i can't see him physically. and he can't even shave. do you know what that is? that's in humane just because he's not vaccinated. they're, they're totally doing away with people. right? and it's not just too many of the guys, even the ones that are sitting in jail because of january 6th till today, haven't had a court appearance and they just have them sitting there. i mean, that's so unconstitutional to think that this is the united states of america, where you are innocent until proven guilty. and the fact that we have the democrats sitting in the white house. this is what's happening to the people, you know, chris, the, the thing that crosses my mind a lot, a lot of the ideas that they say are mainstream, very few of them, if any of them have 50 percent plus one support and the, you know, and then you look at the balance of power in the federal government. well, it's razor thin here. there is no mandate for any of the things that they're pushing here. but they act as if it was l b j and, and f b r. ok. i mean,

people simply are not on board here. that's why to go to the very beginning of our program. you know, we need to have dialogue. we're going to move forward because you can't shut people . i mean, you hate large group of people long enough. we're going to start hating you back. that's what's going to happen here. and that's a very dangerous voice ago. go ahead, chris. know if you'll see it looks up. so this started really the, this kind of new level of demonizing fellow americans started with hillary clinton . it really started with hillary clinton, demonizing trump, voters. i said at the time you talked about the basket, deplorable. and this is kind of, this is kind of unprecedented in the past. we've had candidates who went after candidates, but the goal was always to move voters to, to try to like, hey, i know you're thinking about voting for this guy, but actually, i'm better for you. i'll create a country that is, is going to provide better for you as a country that you're going to like better. and hillary decided she made the calculation. actually you want to know what i'm willing, the right off the percentage of the population. i'm going to demonize them,

they're going to be the bad guys. and then during the 4 years of the trump presidency, we saw the media do this on steroids. it was, you know, showing up at the doors. a woman who posted a, me him on facebook and claiming that she was some part of some sort of conspiracy. you know, it was, it suddenly became not about trying to win these battles of ideas and move voters to convince them of the rightness of their position. instead it became about demonizing fellow americans this, this is, this is not a part of who we have been as a country. it is fundamentally, you know, in medical help this country was built. well, chris, i mean, you said, you know, hillary clinton said those famous words on the campaign trail or that's okay. i understand that. okay. but joe biden is saying it in the white house. he's losing patience with the, with the, the population with the electorate. okay. and are we know specifically who is losing patients with sir? i that me, we have a sitting president that is demonizing half the country. i thought this was

supposed to be the unity president and good again considering the razor thin margins here. you know, he's on the wrong path. he's not convincing anyone as matter fact, he's losing support within his own party. go ahead in miami, isn't it funny how? that's how the democrats always thought they're always the ones that are fighters for civil liberties and whatnot. yeah, yeah, and they're ones are mostly causing the divide within this country with the narrative and with their actions and what it is that they're doing. they're firing people for not having to vaccine yet. if you're vaccinated you can still get it. you can still spread it, you still have to get tested if you're going to travel. so what about all these americans that they're trying to say right now? this and by an administration is trying to help women. they're throwing people out of their jobs. they're forcing them out to health care workers, let's say in new york, or if somebody's gonna go eat a restaurant at their husbands, not vaccinated, take out because they can eat they, they have to show a vaccine. what kind of country are we living in?

we're supposed to be in the greatest nation in the world example of freedoms. and even yet, we're doing this to our people. i mean, forget the fact that we've become the laughing stock with what happened when us, honest. and unfortunately, you know, this administration has no control whatsoever. the best thing that i could do right now is at any ensure dignity left in him is to resign along with camilla harris. well yeah, i think, yeah, i mean, but i think it's even simpler than that, chris, i mean, chris, you know, on january 20th he should have just left everything alone. i think it, i think you'd be high in the, in the polls right now. i really believe that the boys they these, this be team tinkers with things the more it's always the law of unintended consequences. that's what this administration is all about so far. go ahead, chris. well, it was also a fundamental misread of what mandate to the extent that joe biden had one that he actually had. i mean, the fact is that biden ran is just kind of milk post. i'll be the guy who make sure that the trains run on time. i'm the, the,

the old washington hand and things will be call me and, and things go back to normal and we won't have this kind of craziness. he didn't run on any of this absurdity. you know, and the truth is, i look, i said at the i said from the very beginning that the biden presidency in the biden presidential campaign with a trojan horse. and it's not being, they're not strings being pulled by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. it's a whole bunch of mid level, you know, white house folks, ivy league educated completely and totally out of touch with the way most americans live. and quite frankly, don't care about how most americans live and this is their opportunity. they've got a pliable president who's willing to do whatever they tell him to do. who's willing to go back on everything that he said during his campaign. he's been the most to visit president of my lifetime buying on sha mine to buy and buy. you know, i couldn't even find to be develop it like there are, there are people who go the trumpet. the visit to the truck was the bits of because

there are people who just didn't like trump, and there are people who liked him. and he rubs people to the wrong way. biden's actually going out and saying we have good guys and bad guys in this country. and that if you disagree with him, you're one of the bad guys. and the amazing thing is, this whole demon is ation of unvaccinated people in this country isn't helping move the needle at all in terms of your getting anybody to think that this, this vaccine is safe, much complete, shut down. all right, hang on there i, i have to jump in, we get to have to go to a hard break and that's about heartbreak. we'll continue our discussion on the bits of politics day with our team. the when i see black america, i was growing, young. black americans spoke to me. why destroyed it? did not go through sight. black, marsh magic is

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you we're discussing device of politics. ah. okay, now we're joined by jamie wright. she is founder of the right employment lawyer lawyers and a political pendant welcomed jamie. i know we had some technical problems here. we were talking in the 1st part of the program. we're talking about the lack of tolerance in our politics right now. in that is something that we're a relatively new, we've always had differences and squabbles. we who have always been a bit tribal when it comes to politics, but now it's getting bo side see. the other is an extreme. and how did that get to the point where we have it now, and is there anything that can reverse it? go ahead, jamie, i'm not sure that there is. i mean people seem to be dividing long. i didn't be politics. and i think that i didn't, the politics is also something that causes people to move further and further into their tribal lines. i think the other thing is when we have social media outlets who are crashing people and silencing them,

who have opinions that don't fall in line with the average rhetoric that's being put out by these groups. we have the, you know, getting rid of the 1st amendment rights and people saying things that you don't agree with that causes an, a continual divide. so i'm not sure that we ever go back to a state where we can actually listen to each other. and we just continue to be tolerably intolerant. well, i mean, chris, i, i'm not sure we can go much further. i mean, i've already started doing programs on secession. ok because, i mean, i mean, jamie said, you know, identity politics. i'm not interested in identity politics whatsoever. i'm interested in ideas. ok. and the problem is is, and since i don't want to talk about identity politics, that means i'm somehow a bad person. ok. and i'm, that's not true. i, i, what i don't like is i don't want to have to speak your language and speak in terms of your rhetoric. i have my own opinions. ok. and this is where people are being driven off the playing field. go ahead, chris. well, and jamie actually made a really great point. the more that that, that,

that big tack in social media attempt to silence the voices that they find objectionable. busy what they do is those voices don't go away, they go to their own echo chamber. that's right. you know, like and, and so what, what happens as a result of that is not that those people like, or like a god. i really should think twice about how i, what i believe in know what they think is i'm doubling down on what i believe then . and now i even more view the other side as the enemy. and so that all of this talk about like this information, we got to be platform, this person and that person, what it's doing is it's driving ideological partisanship. it's driving division of country and it's hardening the idea that there is good guys and bad guys in this country and there's no way forward united as a country and that's really, really terrifying. you know, it may have been so i think one of the things that i find to terrify over the last few new cycles is the attorney general will call when the f

b i again against parents protesting at school boards. i mean, number one, what is the f b i have to do with that. if there is a squabble or people get hot on the call or call the local police, maybe, i mean, why is this happening here? and, and what that does is, again, as i said in the 1st part of the program, it just in rages, people more. i mean, if you hate a large group of people long enough, the large group of people will start hating you back and then you there's no such thing as dialogue anymore. go ahead in miami. oh, of course. i mean, i mean, i'm an educator. i recently started going back into the classroom in the last 2 weeks, and i've really seen attention and a difference, what's going on at the elementary school level. imagine they're, they're allowing, they're not even letting the parents know if the kids have called it in the class. the only ones that be a form, and they tell the 2 kids that fit in front and behind them and one child each. the school nurse told me is up to the discretion of each individual school and different compared to the other state. how they're dealing with things. just the

idea of certain parents not knowing. and there was a pregnant teacher in the room and she could expose herself. you know, being like, you have to take into consideration and that's the reason why there's a lot of temporary fuming and things like that. but the only way that we can really, really bring everybody back together, unite is to really stand our ground on our principles and the fact that you know, our freedoms, our freedom of choice is really disappointing. to see how the democrats will push the narrative on freedom of choice when it comes to abortion, when it comes to the vaccine, they want to force it down or through everybody's decision on the reasons to take it on the after they are and the media on this and all these people in the corporate being and they're trying to sort of press the ones from exposing all this is 3 big us because the people at the end of the day do have to take your own conscientious decision in their life. not everybody, you know, i mean, if i get, if i could just go ahead, jump in, i could, i was going to say like, you know, look at the truth isn't, this is i, again,

you talk about like it creating these divisions. i mean, the fact is, is that everything that the government has done so far has been at the behest of big pharmaceutical companies who are completely and totally laser focused on creating a vaccine that would make them billions and billions of dollars instead of actually any type of early treatment of, of cobra during the early. busy days of the panoramic, i do work for dr. vladimir the link. who was one of the, the early pioneers was saying, we can't just let people get to the point of. so go home, get so sick that you have to come back and be on a ventilator. we need to have early treatment. and he was demonized by the american media and ridiculed by the american media. and now hey, by the way, guess what? now big firm is like, oh, guess what? now we've got an early treatment by the way, it'll make us billions and billions of more dollars. and this is so absolutely transparent to the american people. they feed us and they say, this isn't you told us at the height of the pandemic that there was no treatment

just you had to go home and get so sick that you might die. and now suddenly that big pharma has decided that they can cash in on this. now we're supposed to treat like this pill as the greatest thing since sliced bread it's, it's truly disturbing. entertaining when he hang on, let me go to j. mm hm. cuz he was only in this only in the 2nd part of the program . and jamie, one of the things that i would i really worry about not only are there really deep divisions cold, and we have the, i haven't even mentioned the culture wars here. but, you know, i think, overall, for a lot of people, there's a greater distrust of authorities, of all authorities, for the reasons that chris just gave. i mean, you know, you know, the, the pandemic was new. nobody knew what to do. but changing your story over and over and over and over and over again, people get very disillusioned by that and people get very resistant. ok. and if you're 4 or something and it could be a lot of issues, maybe in this case it's covered, you're labeled is something that may not necessarily be true. it's just a lot of people. i just don't trust the authorities,

eddie more. okay. and we've seen the politicization of science, which i think is a really bad direction to go and go ahead in los angeles. yeah, i actually agree with that. i mean, look, i'm not one who says, you know, with your rhetoric, you should incite violence or harm to anybody. that, of course, should be silent. but when you are simply just silencing opinions that are different from you, that is troubling. for instance, you know, my 75 or 80 euro great on am i going to demonize her because she doesn't trust the vaccine travelers not or to somebody who lived through test e, a record online, right. who is aware of the there are light for sterilizations yet of black and latino women in prisons in california, in 2006 in 2010. i mean we're not talking about ancient history. am i going to demonize that person? no, i go in, so we have to be real that, you know, the science is of course, trust them science. but sometimes you also have all the dollar with some of the science. and that also leads back to politics. who's making the decisions here?

well, at the end, that's the big point here. chris, is that we as individuals have a right to make decisions about our lives. that's the whole issue here. and, and you get push back forward, which for me at my age at this the sounding okay. i will make decisions based on information that i have and you can make bad decisions, but that's on me. okay. and i think that's a better society of saying it's on me. and instead of saying this person did this or this because this person isn't vaccinated, this is a bad result and go on and on, the individual's been taken completely out of this. go ahead, chris. well, and by the way, i didn't, jamie is completely right. you know, the, the media try to portray the only people who are vaccine has it in this country as being like a bunch of look i live on the west virginia border, the whole bunch of like rural trump vote. and people who are too dumb to know what's good for him. and the fact is that there's tons of, of african americans of latinos who remember terrible things that happened. as jamie pointed out, that aren't so far distant in our, in our path,

instead of making the case to those people. instead of saying, let's embrace an actual conversation about the science here about what's worked, what doesn't work. instead, we've said you can't ask questions if you ask questions, you're a bad person, just do what we tell you to the fundamentally american and said before, this doesn't make people trust the science and trust the medical professionals more . in fact, it undermines that trust because they know if they're not allowed to ask questions, then it's because they won't like the answers. the whole point of this program is how we can find consensus. again. we have a panel member that is not vaccinated. i am fascinated, i made my personal choice, and that is my personal opinion. people should be allowed to make their personal choice about the as all the time. we have many thanks my guest in winchester, miami, and in los angeles. and thanks to our viewers who are watching us here are to see you next time, and remember the

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